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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    Not consulting users is not correct, you have to check Era's revelelation who the members of the TCC.

    Misbun is one of them.
    Oh dear *sigh*... not only Misbun, sir... the other coaches too... but consulting and proposing are two different thing... if the result of consulting the coaches was to come out with the so-called new system, I don't think the coaches played a major role to the decision... it can be they advise/propose to the coaches that their plan is the best plan for the future and why not give it a chance... besides, the majority may voted against the coaches desired plans... so, it can be any which I can't 100% clarify since this is only what I think happened... it may be otherwise but to me, it's not consulting... it's more explaining what the CTC wants and hope the coaches support and work along... just what I think la...^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    I agree with you on last para.Dont you think they are actually trying to build a team from scratch,starting all over. and then build up a team with no heroes but quantity like The Japanese team?
    DEJA Vu

    I seem to remember a similar predicament in 70s. After Msia failed in Thomas Cup 1970 and 1973 Tan Aik Huang,P Gunalan,

    and Ng Boo Bee left. They had to rebuild a team from scrtach and in 1976 built a team of youngsters called Gunalan's babes,

    with promising players like James Selvaraj, Phua Ah Hua ,Dominic Soong & Cheah Hong Chong (CHC of this forum).They entered the T final in 1976 and lost 9-0 to Ina. This team slacked a bit in 1979.

    After the Thomas Cup 1976 players like Dominic and CHC left for studies as they saw no future.After 1979 the Sidek brothers surfaced.

    The past showed that it is actually possible to build a good team from scratch and still perform credibly in T Cup.

    Strangely they dont see having a world beater like LCW in their goals in future, perhaps they are thinking of the long term

    and a step at a time. It might seem that certain people no longer feature in their plans of building a new team.

    Morten Frost was once questioned why after 1 year in Msia why he still could not produce an AE champion ,

    his reply was it takes years to develop a player, if I could produce a champion within 1 year the whole world will come

    knocking at my door.

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    I was referring to 'love' la... lol... make love people..

    was told that japanese also run by many dead woods. Same goes to other countries I guess. The whole of country run by many dead woods in many countries. I guess it will never change. No offence for 'some' good ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post

    Morten Frost was once questioned why after 1 year in Msia why he still could not produce an AE champion ,

    his reply was it takes years to develop a player, if I could produce a champion within 1 year the whole world will come

    knocking at my door.
    Typical of administrators. They want instant results and they just don't realize how difficult it is to produce a World-Beater, especially since MAS has yet to produce any Word or Olympics Champions yet.

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    Default CTC not interested in producing world champions?

    Woke up this morning; found an interesting discussion on, that the CTC is not interested in producing another LCW or something like that.

    What's the point of having a national association representing the best quality and the best interests of the country?

    I had responded to this attitude in a post #534 on the other (Misbun resigns...) thread. Here is a part of that response....

    This is the trap that most people fall into. So let BAM go ahead. Get 100 mediocre players to represent the country. How many SS titles or Gold Medals do you see? All your mediocre players will mostly be slaughtered by round 2, and come home with some excuse. Then the circus continues. This is exactly what a country like China would encourage Malaysia and Indonesia to do. But get just a few excellent, talented and totally dedicated players and throw your resources at them, what do you get? If nothing else, a better chance at that gold medal. Meanwhile, you have just ruined the careers of 100 mediocre players. They spent some very good years doing something they were unsuccesful at, and now dont have an alternate career to fall back on. Well done!!!


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    Arrow MAS could be just about to have a World or Olympics Champion soon

    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Typical of administrators. They want instant results and they just don't realize how difficult it is to produce a World-Beater, especially since MAS has yet to produce any World or Olympics Champions yet.
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    Agree with you, badMania.

    IMHO, MAS could be just about to have a World or Olympic Champion soon (I mean LCW doing it with Misbun soon).

    However, it appears that this BAM's new training system is planning to do it later without LCW and Misbun. I cannot see any logical reason to create this plan of action; but to say that BAM felt the shame after Malaysia lost to Japan at the 2010 Thomas Cup.

    To me, MAS will miss having a World or Olympic Champion named Lee Chong Wei, if BAM think that they are the best administrators for Malaysian Badminton.
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    Question CTC is not interested in producing another LCW or something like that...

    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Woke up this morning; found an interesting discussion on, that the CTC is not interested in producing another LCW or something like that.

    What's the point of having a national association representing the best quality and the best interests of the country?

    I had responded to this attitude in a post #534 on the other (Misbun resigns...) thread. Here is a part of that response....
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    The CTC members are saying they have a long-term plan.

    I would ask them; Isn't it illogical to ignore what they have now just because they are thinking of creating a long-term plan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    The CTC members are saying they have a long-term plan.

    I would ask them; Isn't it illogical to ignore what they have now just because they are thinking of creating a long-term plan?
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    I would interpret and guess it as a plan to re-build a fresh team from juniors.Also an on going plan for LCW on his quest in next 1-2 years, after that , the end.In the meantime both to run concurrently. As someone from NSC suggested LCW plan can continue even if he does it outside the BAM. The 2 plans may run separately and at arm's length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extremenanopowe View Post
    I was referring to 'love' la... lol... make love people..

    was told that japanese also run by many dead woods. Same goes to other countries I guess. The whole of country run by many dead woods in many countries. I guess it will never change. No offence for 'some' good ones.
    Its definitely true for Japan because of the now dying "Lifetime Employment"practice.Unfortunately the local deadwood
    you are implying also happens to be the sponsor of the BAM,the one pulling the money strings besides the government,

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    What has BE achieved since Hall? I wonder if KJ has a coach certificate?
    it seems TCC s objective is not to produce another LCW because they can actually be held hostage by him. TCC also seem to believe that by producing enough good players, MAS can win TC. How naive. Why do MAS coaches have to report to a bunch of people who do not appreciate world standards?

    if the objective is to just produce enough good players, why are they aiming for TC or Olympics gold? Do they know what it takes tp win TC or Olympics? you gotta deliver 3 world class players, not just one!
    Answering you as courtesy:

    I doubt if Rexy, Tan Kim Her, or KJ has a coaching cert.Perhaps in Hall they dont even have faith in their own system.

    I think Park JB and Lee Jae Bok have certs(and a PHD too).

    I would guess that perhaps the CTC wants to start from a fresh slate, build up a pool of mediocre players first by teaching (talent or not), form a team, then coach the better ones to excel.(perhaps like Japan?)
    When Han Jian was coach he often regretted that he could not make much headway with training senior players as they had old habits and difficult to change,especially in playing techniques, he then went on to train kids. Even years ago there were attempts by some to separate the seniors from juniors because the juniors may learn undesirable things from seniors, inclusive of things outside badminton.The playing techniques of the Japanese/Koreans are definitely ,let's say, different.Indonesia is even willing to bring in Li Mao.
    Those are merely things to think about,the CTC have made a statement but they may have not revealed all their future plans yet and they may be up to sth for all we know.Of course for all we know they may not know what they are doing, so far everything I've said is speculation, time will tell.
    Let's not forget the CTC Director and Performance coach are ex-players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eRa@에라 View Post
    Oh dear *sigh*... not only Misbun, sir... the other coaches too... but consulting and proposing are two different thing... if the result of consulting the coaches was to come out with the so-called new system, I don't think the coaches played a major role to the decision... it can be they advise/propose to the coaches that their plan is the best plan for the future and why not give it a chance... besides, the majority may voted against the coaches desired plans... so, it can be any which I can't 100% clarify since this is only what I think happened... it may be otherwise but to me, it's not consulting... it's more explaining what the CTC wants and hope the coaches support and work along... just what I think thela...^^
    The TCC is a ploy to deceive. If the admin people outnumber the coaches, then they can always declare that it s a majority decision when all the coaches were against it.

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    Arrow Coaches care more for players; Admin members care more for their Association

    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    The TCC is a ploy to deceive. If the admin people outnumber the coaches, then they can always declare that it s a majority decision when all the coaches were against it.
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    Well said.

    It is always the same old story:

    Coaches care more for players, while Admin members care more for their Association.
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    Thumbs down Admin members saying that they’ll quit if Misbun gets his way

    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
    Well said.

    It is always the same old story:

    Coaches care more for players, while Admin members care more for their Association.
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    This is why we get to read Admin members saying that they’ll quit if Misbun gets his way;

    Source: http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.a...922&sec=sports

    At least three Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) coaching and training committee members are ready to resign if the national body give in to the demands of coach Misbun Sidek.

    And one of them said; "What is the point of staying on if the system endorsed by the council is not respected? We changed the structure for the betterment of the sport. It is pointless for people like me to stay and try to make a difference for the association if we go back to the old ways.”
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    Arrow Quit threat if BAM goes soft

    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
    And one of them said; "What is the point of staying on if the system endorsed by the council is not respected? We changed the structure for the betterment of the sport. It is pointless for people like me to stay and try to make a difference for the association if we go back to the old ways.”
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    And we have other news on this matter; Quit threat if BAM goes soft

    Source: http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/B...ssoft/Article/

    Here, we read; "If someone doesn't want to follow decisions of the CTC and our suggestions are ignored all the time, there is no point sitting on the committee."
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    Arrow Don’t turn Malaysian Badminton into the joke of the century

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    This article summarises it for us;

    Don’t turn Malaysian badminton into the joke of the century. Don’t make “resignation” a tool to destroy Malaysian badminton.

    "Should the coaching committee members carry out their threat to resign, so be it. Maybe there will be others who can work towards achieving glory in badminton in time to come."

    Source: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp...1840&sec=focus
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    OK, here's my problem. I keep hearing and reading that the committee say (and I quote from different press sources):

    "system endorsed by the council"
    "We changed the structure for the betterment of the sport."
    "The new structure has been agreed upon by us all"
    "...our intention to come up with the new structure is to move forward and catch up with other countries, especially China."

    Does anyone here know exactly what the "new structure" is???

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    OK, here's my problem. I keep hearing and reading that the committee say (and I quote from different press sources):

    "system endorsed by the council"
    "We changed the structure for the betterment of the sport."
    "The new structure has been agreed upon by us all"
    "...our intention to come up with the new structure is to move forward and catch up with other countries, especially China."

    Does anyone here know exactly what the "new structure" is???
    No insider has review what's in Misbun 5pages letter & the new BAM programme yet...

    so we can just only ASSUME!!!!!!!!

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