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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    They should just keep things simple. No committee for sure.
    And if BAM wants to field LCW for OG12, then BAM will have to fund LCW and coach for all expenses (including coach salary) in the lead up to qualifying for OG12.

    By the way,eaglehelang, Thanks for the BAM summary. Looks like Daren and Hafiz should go back to Hendrawan, Daren especially.
    i take it you mean that LCW & Coach only (not others)should not be under the scrutiny for the next 2 years.

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    Lightbulb BAM should leave the training regiments and programmes to the coaches

    Quote Originally Posted by ZSLASHER View Post
    I think Misbun and LCW better leave BAM.

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    The BAM should stick their hands out of malaysian badminton training...
    They should leave the training regiments and programmes to the coaches which i believe are far more experienced than them.
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    That's why this thread was started.

    This thread title is: It's time for Misbun Sidek to work for Malaysian Badminton without BAM.

    I agree with what is said; "They (BAM) should leave the training regiments and programmes to the coaches".

    BAM employ 'experienced' coaches who could bring along with them their coaching methods/programs; If BAM wanted coaches to coach players 'the BAM way', then it is pointless for BAM to employ 'experienced' coaches.
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    Arrow If BAM wanted coaches to coach players 'the BAM way'......

    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    So far the media seems to summarise the issues as follows :

    1) The C&tC is not impressed with MS's training methods
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    As commented in Post #291;

    BAM employ 'experienced' coaches who could bring along with them their coaching methods/programs; If BAM wanted coaches to coach players 'the BAM way', then it is pointless for BAM to employ 'experienced' coaches.
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    Thumbs down C & T C are not deeply impressed with LCW's show as the SS King......

    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    So far the media seems to summarise the issues as follows :

    3) The C & T C are not deeply impressed with LCW's show as the SS King, they want him to play less tournaments and have identified 14 tournaments for him this year and the 3 main targets are AE, WC & SEA Games.
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    If C & T C are not deeply impressed with LCW's show as the SS king, then what would they say if LCW is not the SS King?

    The CTC should appreciate LCW and Misbun contribution. But they (CTC) have not. And this is one of the reasons why LCW and Misbun decided to leave BAM.

    I don't understand why many people (BAM and even some BCers) do not feel how LCW and Misbun feel; when no appreciation is given when appreciation is due.
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    The media should ask BAM who are the people. Then fire them. Looks like Anti-Malaysian? or sour grapes? My guess is there are just to many ctc. Get the president to get rid of them.

    "But they (CTC) have not. And this is one of the reasons why LCW and Misbun decided to leave BAM."

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    Arrow Isn't it illogical to ignore what BAM have now...... ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    So far the media seems to summarise the issues as follows :

    5) The C & T C in the long term do not want to have just 1 good player, they want a pool or team just like in the 90s, and their immediate focus is to have a team of depth and breadth, able to perform in the Thomas Cup which seems to be their immediate target like in 1976.
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    I would ask: Isn't it illogical to ignore what BAM have now just because they are thinking of creating a long-term plan?

    BAM need to remember, back in 1976, Malaysia did not have any player as good as LCW.
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    Oh. It would be better to get Misbun or LCW to talk.

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    Arrow It would be better to get Misbun or LCW to walk (away)

    Quote Originally Posted by extremenanopowe View Post
    Oh. It would be better to get Misbun or LCW to talk.
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    I would rather say: It would be better to get Misbun and LCW to walk (away).
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    It is still good to expose those slackeys tho. Can't let them get free meals. Then Malaysia will be forever a mediocre. So, are you or the readers want Malaysia to improve or stay as it is? Proactive?

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    Question Expecting Malaysia to drop out of the top 5 nations in the near future?

    Quote Originally Posted by extremenanopowe View Post
    It is still good to expose those slackeys tho. Can't let them get free meals.
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    Malaysia will be forever a mediocre?

    Malaysia has always been included in the Top 5 Badminton nations for more than 7 decades now.

    Are you expecting Malaysia to drop out of the top 5 nations in the near future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    You are? Then what do you suggest MS/LCW should start with?
    It would be more appropriate to see any post after this to the topic of the thread title. So far I have not seen one.
    Run out of startling revelations or innuendo?

    How about this: Misbun and LCW have been around long enough, and at a level high enough to realistically know what they are doing, and what their options in life are. MS has chosen this path because he believes this is what he needs to do at this stage. LCW has chosen to express his complete faith and loyalty to the man who for all purposes, made him the champion he is today.

    Misbun may decide he wants to retire to a monastery. Or take up carpentry. Thats his decision and like everything and everyone else, one must respect it.

    If the "powers that be" and the "responsible persons" in BAM and NSC and the Ministry of Sports and so on, feel so strongly about the need for MS in Malaysian badminton, they will find a way to convince him to contribute to the cause. Until then, let the man live in peace. Respect him; don't denigrate his achievements and contributions in one post and want/demand him back in another.

    LCW is a champion. He know what he needs to do to maintain his position. He just doesn't need other coaches and bean counters messing around with him.

    Like everywhere else on all galaxies, people don't know what they have, until they have lost it. BAM and Malaysian sport dont' know how well off they have been for the contribution of a few dedicated souls, but I think they have been rudely awakened to that fact. Better late than never. It is these people who need to "do something to start with" as you have asked in your post, taneepak. MS and LCW have done enough good. The others have (apparently) done enough damage.

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    Arrow People don't know what they have, until they have lost it

    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Like everywhere else on all galaxies, people don't know what they have, until they have lost it. BAM and Malaysian sport dont' know how well off they have been for the contribution of a few dedicated souls, but I think they have been rudely awakened to that fact. Better late than never. It is these people who need to "do something to start with" as you have asked in your post, taneepak. MS and LCW have done enough good. The others have (apparently) done enough damage.
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    Well said: "People don't know what they have, until they have lost it".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    i take it you mean that LCW & Coach only (not others)should not be under the scrutiny for the next 2 years.
    Most definitely.
    LCW/MS have earned the privilege to be left alone to plan and focus on their OG12 campaign.
    No one should waste their time or energy with nonsense or distract them. These CTC bugs just cannot comprehend the difference in intensity between world class and state level badminton.

    If any other player in BAM can achieve that high level, they should also be left undisturbed.

    How many players in the world reach that level anyway? Only one! WR1 for two years! Any WR1 for two years in MD,XD, WS or WD? Why not? Think about it.

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    As to post 289 regarding CTC, I have a feeling we will know whether they are making sense or not after the

    conclusion of the Men's Singles of the Malaysian,Korean and All England.

    In the meantime let's KIV their remarks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    3) The C & T C are not deeply impressed with LCW's show as the SS king, they want him to play less tournaments
    and have identified 14 tournaments for him this year and the 3 main targets are AE,WC &SEA Games

    4) The C & T C appear to want LCW to at least win a major (The WC which is within his grasp) and try for the OLY 12.
    Less tournaments and yet still have to participate in SEA Games????

    Last year, LCW only participated in 7 SS (winning all except one) + 2 GP Golds (winning both) + 1 SS Final (winning again) + WC (QF) + Thomas Cup + Asian Games and the Commonwealth Games (winning Silver and Gold respectively in the Individual Events); a total of 14 tournaments, not including the domestic Opens. He lost only 5 times in the entire year (twice to Lin Dan, once to Sony Dwi Kuncoro, Taufik Hidayat, and Boonsak Ponsana).

    So, it appeared that the number of tourneys will still stay the same or may even increase (if you include the Sudirman Cup and SEA Games)?

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    Misbun should run for Parliament next General Election... He needs to obtain Power before he can change BAM!

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    Arrow LCW should rest and not participate in GP Gold tournaments

    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Less tournaments and yet still have to participate in SEA Games????

    Last year, LCW only participated in 7 SS (winning all except one) + 2 GP Golds (winning both) + 1 SS Final (winning again) + WC (QF) + Thomas Cup + Asian Games and the Commonwealth Games (winning Silver and Gold respectively in the Individual Events); a total of 14 tournaments, not including the domestic Opens. He lost only 5 times in the entire year (twice to Lin Dan, once to Sony Dwi Kuncoro, Taufik Hidayat, and Boonsak Ponsana).

    So, it appeared that the number of tourneys will still stay the same or may even increase (if you include the Sudirman Cup and SEA Games)?
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    IMHO, LCW (and other World Top 10 players) should rest and not participate in GP Gold tournaments. Why? Because GP Gold tournaments are organised for our 2nd and lower tiers of players.

    I understand why CTC will call for LCW to participate in 'Inter-Nations Games' no matter how strong or weak the Games are. As CTC have said it's for 'National Interest'.
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