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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    You are? Then what do you suggest MS/LCW should start with?
    It would be more appropriate to see any post after this to the topic of the thread title. So far I have not seen one.

    That would be a very direct answer

    They should waste no time and start their plans on training while waiting for the final outcome from bam

    I think you are confused, maybe not enough reading and

    some of the posts by other bc members here are quite good actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Less tournaments and yet still have to participate in SEA Games????

    Last year, LCW only participated in 7 SS (winning all except one) + 2 GP Golds (winning both) + 1 SS Final (winning again) + WC (QF) + Thomas Cup + Asian Games and the Commonwealth Games (winning Silver and Gold respectively in the Individual Events); a total of 14 tournaments, not including the domestic Opens. He lost only 5 times in the entire year (twice to Lin Dan, once to Sony Dwi Kuncoro, Taufik Hidayat, and Boonsak Ponsana).

    So, it appeared that the number of tourneys will still stay the same or may even increase (if you include the Sudirman Cup and SEA Games)?
    I forgot a KEY word which has huge implications. They want LCW to PEAK at the AE,WC & SEA Games.

    It was all reported in the Star a few Sundays ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    I forgot a KEY word which has huge implications. They want LCW to PEAK at the AE,WC & SEA Games.

    It was all reported in the Star a few Sundays ago.
    Well that's a relief! They don't want too much, then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Well said: "People don't know what they have, until they have lost it".
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    True very true

    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Run out of startling revelations or innuendo?

    How about this: Misbun and LCW have been around long enough, and at a level high enough to realistically know what they are doing, and what their options in life are. MS has chosen this path because he believes this is what he needs to do at this stage. LCW has chosen to express his complete faith and loyalty to the man who for all purposes, made him the champion he is today.

    Misbun may decide he wants to retire to a monastery. Or take up carpentry. Thats his decision and like everything and everyone else, one must respect it.

    If the "powers that be" and the "responsible persons" in BAM and NSC and the Ministry of Sports and so on, feel so strongly about the need for MS in Malaysian badminton, they will find a way to convince him to contribute to the cause. Until then, let the man live in peace. Respect him; don't denigrate his achievements and contributions in one post and want/demand him back in another.

    LCW is a champion. He know what he needs to do to maintain his position. He just doesn't need other coaches and bean counters messing around with him.

    Like everywhere else on all galaxies, people don't know what they have, until they have lost it. BAM and Malaysian sport dont' know how well off they have been for the contribution of a few dedicated souls, but I think they have been rudely awakened to that fact. Better late than never. It is these people who need to "do something to start with" as you have asked in your post, taneepak. MS and LCW have done enough good. The others have (apparently) done enough damage.
    It's funny this post is not written by a Malaysian

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Run out of startling revelations or innuendo?

    How about this: Misbun and LCW have been around long enough, and at a level high enough to realistically know what they are doing, and what their options in life are. MS has chosen this path because he believes this is what he needs to do at this stage. LCW has chosen to express his complete faith and loyalty to the man who for all purposes, made him the champion he is today.

    Misbun may decide he wants to retire to a monastery. Or take up carpentry. Thats his decision and like everything and everyone else, one must respect it.

    If the "powers that be" and the "responsible persons" in BAM and NSC and the Ministry of Sports and so on, feel so strongly about the need for MS in Malaysian badminton, they will find a way to convince him to contribute to the cause. Until then, let the man live in peace. Respect him; don't denigrate his achievements and contributions in one post and want/demand him back in another.

    LCW is a champion. He know what he needs to do to maintain his position. He just doesn't need other coaches and bean counters messing around with him.

    Like everywhere else on all galaxies, people don't know what they have, until they have lost it. BAM and Malaysian sport dont' know how well off they have been for the contribution of a few dedicated souls, but I think they have been rudely awakened to that fact. Better late than never. It is these people who need to "do something to start with" as you have asked in your post, taneepak. MS and LCW have done enough good. The others have (apparently) done enough damage.
    *nod*nod*... Heard someone said, "People who don't value themselves, can't appreciate others"... despite all our efforts to make them understand or even buy them a thousand dictionaries, they will never get it... ever! Pity that very soul...

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    Arrow All our efforts to make them understand or even buy them a thousand dictionaries ....

    Quote Originally Posted by eRa@에라 View Post
    *nod*nod*... Heard someone said, "People who don't value themselves, can't appreciate others"... despite all our efforts to make them understand or even buy them a thousand dictionaries, they will never get it... ever! Pity that very soul...
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    Despite all our efforts to make them understand or even buy them a thousand dictionaries, they will never get it.

    It is because of their energy is triggered only when they are facing situation relating to themselves. If it is for Badminton as a sport and/or for other coaches and players, they won't understand.
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    MS should reconsider about quitting badminton for good and LCW should instead have a heart to heart discussion with MS about coming back from 'retirement' specifically to coach him outside BAM. In other words LCW breaks away from BAM and employs MS as his coach. This way this incomparable made in heaven pair will bring great honours to Malaysia. Surely this is better for both MS and LCW as it will provide them with peace of mind to do what they have to do. BAM and the country will not desert them and will honour them with more rewards if they are successful. This is much better than trying 'topple' BAM with an ultimatum of 'meet all my conditions' or else. The former is what most posters here want, the latter is 'regime change'.

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    Arrow This is much better than trying 'topple' BAM

    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    MS should reconsider about quitting badminton for good and LCW should instead have a heart to heart discussion with MS about coming back from 'retirement' specifically to coach him outside BAM. In other words LCW breaks away from BAM and employs MS as his coach. This way this incomparable made in heaven pair will bring great honours to Malaysia. Surely this is better for both MS and LCW as it will provide them with peace of mind to do what they have to do. BAM and the country will not desert them and will honour them with more rewards if they are successful. This is much better than trying 'topple' BAM with an ultimatum of 'meet all my conditions' or else. The former is what most posters here want, the latter is 'regime change'.
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    From where did you get the idea that MS and LCW wanted to 'topple' BAM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    MS should reconsider about quitting badminton for good and LCW should instead have a heart to heart discussion with MS about coming back from 'retirement' specifically to coach him outside BAM. In other words LCW breaks away from BAM and employs MS as his coach. This way this incomparable made in heaven pair will bring great honours to Malaysia. Surely this is better for both MS and LCW as it will provide them with peace of mind to do what they have to do. BAM and the country will not desert them and will honour them with more rewards if they are successful. This is much better than trying 'topple' BAM with an ultimatum of 'meet all my conditions' or else. The former is what most posters here want, the latter is 'regime change'.
    Now you are begining to see the real picture

    Accept of course some words are too strong

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    MS should reconsider about quitting badminton for good and LCW should instead have a heart to heart discussion with MS about coming back from 'retirement' specifically to coach him outside BAM. In other words LCW breaks away from BAM and employs MS as his coach. This way this incomparable made in heaven pair will bring great honours to Malaysia. Surely this is better for both MS and LCW as it will provide them with peace of mind to do what they have to do. BAM and the country will not desert them and will honour them with more rewards if they are successful. This is much better than trying 'topple' BAM with an ultimatum of 'meet all my conditions' or else. The former is what most posters here want, the latter is 'regime change'.
    I think LCW having MS as coach is an almost foregone conclusion. They will continue to be probably the only ones to bring honour to Malaysia, regardless of heavenly blessings or not. And that would be the result more of hard work, than prayer.

    MS has not at any stage mentioned that he intends to topple BAM or issue an ultimatum. On the contrary, he has very clearly stated (on more than one occasion for those hard of hearing) that he wants nothing to do with them. He wants to quit, as per even your first line, unless that was typed by mistake. We must be reading very different reports. Would you like to share the report you are reading from?

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    What do you think are the implications of para 4 of this http://www.mmail.com.my/content/6077...ensable-misbun?

    MS says all or he quits. Now if BAM were to cave in this will open the floodgates and it will lose its credibility and legitimacy. Misbun wouldn't care two hoots, would he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    What do you think are the implications of para 4 of this http://www.mmail.com.my/content/6077...ensable-misbun?

    MS says all or he quits. Now if BAM were to cave in this will open the floodgates and it will lose its credibility and legitimacy. Misbun wouldn't care two hoots, would he?
    That's why i asked you a couple of times you have any idea of the 5 pages emailed to bam

    Misbun explain clearly what happen there so if the president did not know everything before he should know by then.

    The sports minister read his email also and he didn't see much of a big problem, did he?

    By now you should be clearer I think

    What I see will be some changes and it won't happen so soon

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    Arrow The point that you have missed......

    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    What do you think are the implications of para 4 of this http://www.mmail.com.my/content/6077...ensable-misbun?

    MS says all or he quits. Now if BAM were to cave in this will open the floodgates and it will lose its credibility and legitimacy. Misbun wouldn't care two hoots, would he?
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    The point that you have missed is: Misbun has resigned already (on 31-Dec-2010). Misbun has already made up his mind.

    You are implying that Misbun would resign if BAM do not to cave in. This is not true.

    However, the BAM president Datuk Seri Nadzmi Salleh has asked the CTC to reconsider changing their 'new structure', in the hope that Misbun will return.

    It is not Misbun asking the CTC to change their 'new structure'.

    Some are assuming that Misbun would return if the CTC change their 'new structure'. I can only say that 'only Misbun can decide for himself'.
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    Although Misbun has sent his resignation letter to BAM on 31 Dec 2010, his resignation WAS SUBSEQUENTLY REJECTED by the BAM. So, techinically, he has not left BAM!
    Last edited by badMania; 01-18-2011 at 04:11 AM.

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    Arrow The resignation is technically not finalised

    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Although Misbun has sent his resignation letter to BAM on 31 Dec 2010, his resignation WAS SUBSEQUENTLY REJECTED by the BAM. So, techinically, he has not left BAM!
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    Agree; that Misbun's resignation is technically not finalised yet.

    But look at it this way; If Misbun is not happy to work for BAM anymore, and has submitted a resignation, it is inevitable that BAM has to allow him to go.
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    ok. misbun mp for banting... lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Although Misbun has sent his resignation letter to BAM on 31 Dec 2010, his resignation WAS SUBSEQUENTLY REJECTED by the BAM. So, techinically, he has not left BAM!
    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Agree; that Misbun's resignation is technically not finalised yet.

    But look at it this way; If Misbun is not happy to work for BAM anymore, and has submitted a resignation, it is inevitable that BAM has to allow him to go.
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    I believe I read somewhere that his contract was up on December 31, the same day he emailed his resignation. In that case, it does not matter if they "accept" or "reject" because the contract is already over. It is up to him to decide if he wishes to renew the contract, if at all.

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