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03-31-2011, 03:33 AM #562
As for Eddy he is the father of Malaysian badminton, he is the greatest achiever as far as AE goes,but you cannot judge him just based on 2 videos. There are other interviews and videos which I have access to which prove that he is at times out of touch,maybe I will upload them in future.
03-31-2011, 03:47 AM #563
I apologise for not reading posts that are too long, since most have been answered already but here's one or two :
1) Where did you get the idea that administrators and managers are interfering with coaches?
Isn't it the job of a chief coach to point out problems with training methods eg.player's legs are too weak?I would take that
criticism as very constructive.
2) A player or coach must be able to analyse wins or losses, as repeated whether a report needs to be written or
not is just a method, you might as well discuss it in a round table, it doesn't matter as long as the analysis is done openly and recorded.
3) Again i have to repeat the bit about stakeholders,transparency and a Quality System and the need for records,reports, in whatever form.
A really good coach would want to record down his methods so that it can be read by posterity and there will be continuity so that others
can follow up and no one is indispensable and can hold others to ransom.
i think I am losing interest in this discussion and will leave at this point.
My parting words would be, it is very easy for children to blame their parents for being inadequate, or executives to blame managers for not doing this and that, but one day when you are in the driver's seat you will understand the dilemmas of being in the driver's seat.
Whatever I posted before your post are very basic management principles which can be read from any basic management texts, without
that basic mindset it is pointless to continue, they are good practices applicable to any organisation producing goods and services except
for IT or research projects which belong to the category of being open-ended, ie.no specific targets or budget etc.
There are comments also from other pasts players made by Coronarsports,all of them have a common theme, its all
down to the player's commitment. Most of what you argue about have already been discussed in previous posts and other threads long ago,maybe you could retrace them?
By all means enjoy your stay here but I hope you keep an open mind.
Last edited by Bbn; 03-31-2011 at 03:54 AM.
03-31-2011, 04:05 AM #564
On 2nd thought I will leave you with a well known story about international Management :
A Swedish Manager of Volvo was set to Malaysia to set up a car plant. In Sweden just like in Japan with their QCCs, managers and
engineers write processes, its up to the group of workers to sort out amongst themselves how to divide the tasks as long as they produce say,
2 cars a day.
Now this Swedish manager tells the newly recruited workers to sort themselves out and complete the target, so some of these workers
wait for each other, some take a tea break or religious break, some play computer games and some try to work, at the end of the day
little gets done and targets are not met.The manager is baffled, monkeys he says, dont they have work ethics? In the end they had a meeting
and the result was that in the local culture people need to be led and told what to do, they simply do not know how to work together and sort things out like Japanese or Scandinavians.So in Msia's Volvo. the workers have to be told what to do.
If you cant understand the moral of the case, I give up. It is saying that 1) You have to be close to the action to understand real problems
2) People are different everywhere. Idealism sounds OK but it may not be practicable because of situational and cultural factors.Also you understand problems better when you have been in a position of being in the leader's post.
That is the best I can do.
03-31-2011, 04:16 AM #565
LOL are you guys writing essays here? LOL... this is only a forum for killing spare time... why take it so seriously to write Harry Potter stories here? LOL... BOLEH?
03-31-2011, 04:23 AM #566
Ah,I did read some of your posts , that part about kissing assess and sucking up to VIPs
is still true today but I think they can draw the line.As mentioned before we now have a National Sports Council
Council which ensures that sports are run professionally, that's why we have, I repeat all these performance Directors and Coaches
who are ex-players. The management kisses ass because they want government funding and probably pay rises and also answer to their GLC sponsors, maybe we can sack the government,the NSC, and also the GLC sponsors.
There was a time in the past when politicians and outsiders could choose which player gets to play in the Thomas Cup etc.
Nowadays the MS saga is a perfect example of politicians unable to leave matters alone but interfering.
Etc.Etc. I would suggest you read all the postings form related threads etc. before you form conclusions, a lot of your
claims are misdirected.
03-31-2011, 04:25 AM #567
03-31-2011, 05:49 AM #568
03-31-2011, 08:13 AM #569
Badminton is 'more of an Art form'
I believe that I understand what Bbn and mafan mean.
But when it comes to Badminton, I tend to agree with mafan.
Why? Because Badminton is 'more of an Art form' (with less of the Science). To explain what I mean, I shall point out some activity of the 'Art form' (where little scientific knowledge are required);
Boxing (Sugar Ray Leonard, Rocky Marciano, Muhammed Ali, etc, ...)
Golfer (Gary Player, Tiger Wood, Jack Nicklaus, Arnold Palmer, etc, ...)
Music (Johann Sebastian Bach, Mozart, Ludwig van Beethoven, etc, ...)
Painting (Leonardo da Vinci, Michaelangelo, Vincent Van Gogh, etc, ...)
etc, etc, ......
Science has very little to do to help the above persons to become great in their chosen profession.
OK, let's return to professional Badminton players. Yes, Science does help (like how to improve strength, to move quicker, better diet, psychology, etc, ...), but it's their Art/Skill of performing their strokes/actions that plays the more important part.
Bbn is telling us that it's better for coaches to write reports in order to analyse what went right or wrong. This is more of a Scientific method.
Whereas, mafan is telling us it's better for coaches to show and tell what is right or wrong (no need to write reports for the Association/Body involved).
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03-31-2011, 10:09 AM #570
A few hours left. Time to see if all the words spoken by the managers and directors and chairmen meant anything at all, or if their mouth has gone south.
03-31-2011, 11:15 AM #571
Yes let's see what they have in their menu
03-31-2011, 09:57 PM #572
Knock... knock... knock... what is the outcome? Stay or go? BOLEH?
03-31-2011, 11:32 PM #573
Sheesh, I've repeated myself for the umpteenth time, writing reports is one way of doing an analysis, there are alternatives such as
informal discussions,interviews,brainstorming sessions etc, doesn't matter how its done, so long as the analysis is carried out.
Reason why there is so many reports to be done (in whatever form) is because of the current requirement in many places to have a Quality System in many operations for the purpose of accountability and transparency and probably because financiers demand it.It is a basic requirement in many countries to have a Quality System to attain a competitive edge.
As mentioned before, it is not a question of filing a report, that is only a technicality,the answer is obvious when LCW casually asked the juniors why they won or lost and they had no answer, let alone write a report.
Writing reports are good, it facilitates desemination of knowledge and information,what would the world be if people did not write books.
Of course who likes to do paperwork? It is not a question of Art and Science.
If it is difficult for people to file reports and there have to be written records, they can always fill in questionnaires, forms etc, just tick yes or no .agree.disagree etc etc. Nothing is impossible .its a question of whether both sides are sincere in making something work, and the main requirement is the ability to think out of the box.
I am not supporting the BAM or whatever just trying to explain the rationale for their behaviour, it may be right or wrong or the implementation ought to be a lot more flexible.
Tan Kim Her and Rexy seem fairly comfortable people they are well traveled and have worked in many places where such practices are common. In many places all these QS have become a norm and people have to leave their comfort zones, be educated to get used to it
or be left behind.
04-01-2011, 12:21 AM #574
Of course its very mean to ask someone who is barely literate to write a report.
But if you think again here if you cannot write a report or fill in the form in a government department because you are illiterate you'll
probably be advised to return to the land of your ancestors.
Or you want to do a bank transaction, the teller will not serve you but will ask you to use the deposit machine or ATM at the back and give you forms to fill, not because the bank is not customer friendly but because it is a government directive.
This means if you dont develop the culture of written/language skills or even computer skills, you are not going to get much help or any sympathy.
As mentioned before it is culture-centric and situational, you have to understand the context and purpose of certain practices.And people in responsible positions are expected to set a good example for others to follow.
It is obvious whether filling a report or not will improve badminton but you have to see the big picture.
Maybe you understand now the meaning of "Boleh?"
Last edited by Bbn; 04-01-2011 at 12:25 AM.
04-01-2011, 12:22 AM #575
04-01-2011, 12:29 AM #576
you repeated it twice again one more time haha haha (repetitive element in this sentence done on purpose)
04-01-2011, 12:44 AM #577
Repeat twice again? That will be more than twice because of the 'again'
04-01-2011, 12:45 AM #578
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