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    it is a common problem in many emerging countries. Youngsters nowadays are more ambitious and tend to pick careers with earlier rewards.

    Sideks themselves come from a village in Banting,they were willing to foregoe education for the sake of badminton at the expense of even their O levels.

    Imagine youngsters today willing to forgoe their O levels like Ong Beng Hee, what if they dont make it at O levels, a permanent career in McDonald's or KFC? How many youngsters today will want to spend the best days of their youth from 16-25 with a monthly income of Rm500
    and not knowing where they are heading after that, return to BAM to be a coach?

    Even in other professions such as police,armed forces etc you have to recruit the poorest youth from the deepest village sin Sarawak or Sabah
    to convince them to join the forces.

    Like many rich countries most youth especially those from urban areas want to enjoy their badminton and balance it with a career, it would not be easy to make them sacrifice everything. Eddy Choong is an exception, he was so rich he could afford to spend all his father's money playing badminton all over Europe and never even completed his law course.LCW is also an exception, he is willing to give up everything for badminton.
    People like Wong Choon Han, Soo Beng Kiang, etc.etc. have made it balancing education with badminton in the Seri Garden arrangement.
    I think it is not realistic to blame youngsters for not working hard enough, they may think it not worthwhile and difficult to balance their priorities,it is a dream and really difficult to find youngsters willing to give up everything for badminton, maybe we can find another rich kid like Eddy or a very poor one from the remote villages like what they do in China.

    Or of course it may be possible to adopt a new model like what is done in rich countries like Japan or Taiwan.

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    They were given their chances like 6 years back to fully concentrate on badminton. Time to pack and go. lol. Don't waste time.

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    I think players in Msia or Europe take a longer time to mature, China players may peak around 25 as there are no interuptions,

    Msia players i think really start to develop after maybe 23/24 and play into their 30s.At least it is better than Korea and Singapore when they have to drop everything at one stage and spend a few years fully in National Service.

    It may be true or untrue of the current crop, records of past players can confirm this, but the real problem is getting it right for the back-ups.

    See what Wong Choon Han has to say about the elite players :

    http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.a...103&sec=sports

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    Quote Originally Posted by extremenanopowe View Post
    They were given their chances like 6 years back to fully concentrate on badminton. Time to pack and go. lol. Don't waste time.
    I wonder why this problem is only happening in the Men's Singles Department but others like Men's Doubles,

    Mixed Doubles and the Ladies' Singles are not doing too badly.

    That's why there needs to be some kind of syllabus or menu to keep track of what is happening in the various departments to

    narrow down the problem.

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    Thumbs up A few excellent younger girls players have appeared from Thailand and Taipei

    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    I wonder why this problem is only happening in the Men's Singles Department but others like Men's Doubles, Mixed Doubles and the Ladies' Singles are not doing too badly.

    That's why there needs to be some kind of syllabus or menu to keep track of what is happening in the various departments to narrow down the problem.
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    Malaysian women players have not been really that strong over the years. MAS men players have done much better.

    Today, a few excellent younger girls players have appeared from Thailand and Taipei, able to give a challenge to the girls from China. Malaysia will need to discover how Thailand and Taipei have managed to do it.
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    So far only lcw, kkk/tbh and perhaps the cps mx department is in top 10. The rest is still below par. Doesn't look good compared to other countries. BAM is in trouble. Or Malaysia I shd say.

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    Tuesday April 26, 2011
    Blame lies with BAM

    By RAJES PAUL

    KUALA LUMPUR: Independent shuttler Wong Choong Hann continued to show that he is still better than all the shuttlers in the national back-up squad when he confirmed a ticket for an eighth appearance in the world championships, which will be held in London from Aug 8-15.

    But he was not gloating over making it even though he had outdone all these players under the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) banner for a third consecutive year since he left the national set-up.

    Instead, he had sympathy for the second stringers and took a dig at the BAM for not doing enough.

    Choong Hann said that the back-up players had been made scapegoats for far too long for the failure of others to improve the quality in training at the national centre.

    “These players always come under fire and are questioned over their lack of fire in training. Some do not have enough tournaments. Some are sent for more tournaments but they do not enjoy quality training,” he said.

    “They are used as mere sparring partners. It is time for the BAM to give them due attention and emphasis. Give them fair treatment and build their confidence to bridge the gap with the experienced shuttlers.”


    The qualifying period for the world championships ends on Thursday and Choong Hann, who was the runner-up at the recent Australian Open, by virtue of his No. 16 world ranking is set to make the trip to Wembley with world No. 1 Chong Wei.

    The nearest back-up player to Choong Hann is Liew Daren at No. 87 followed by Tan Chun Seang (113th), Goh Soon Huat (115th), Mohd Arif Abdul Latif (121st) and Chong Wei Feng (124th).

    A country can have a maximum of three players if all of them are in the top 24 bracket.

    Choong Hann quit the national team after the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games but the disciplined veteran continued to push himself to stay within the radar over the last three years – competing in all major events.

    “I still enjoy playing the game. This is also a way of me thanking my sponsors, Dunlop, for their continued trust in me,” he said.

    “I am happy that I will be playing in the world championships for the eighth time. This will be a special one because it will be held at the Wembley Arena. They call this place the holy grail of badminton.”

    In the men’s doubles event, independent shuttlers Tan Bin Shen-Gan Teik Chai also made the cut on merit by virtue of being ranked 16th. But their trip to England is not assured yet.

    The BAM have the prerogative to select a lower ranked back-up pair with potential and secretary Ng Chin Chai said that they would discuss it at the next coaching and training committee meeting.

    “We may consider sending another pair. We have a few pairs, who are not too far behind these independent players. Their ranking is low because they played in fewer tournaments,” he said.

    The lower ranked pairs are Chan Peng Soon-Lim Khim Wah (26th) and Goh Wei Shem-Teo Kok Siang (27th). But they no longer compete as pairs. Khim Wah now forges a combination with Wei Shem and they have showed good progress this year.

    The others who can be considered for selection are Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Ong Soon Hock (30th) and Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif-Hoon Thien How (35th).


    1995-2011 Star Publications (Malaysia) Bhd (Co No 10894-D)

    The comments in red refer. A coach given a group of players should not just want to
    look for LCWs. A good trainer or teacher given a set of trainees even how weak should look at ways and means to make something out of them, just to make them improve at least, and not condemn them to the scrapheap.

    Teaching and training nowadays is such that the onus is on the teacher or trainee to
    devise something to inspire or facilitate the trainees or students to improve, however weak they are, because most psychologists believe that every specimen can be trained and taught , it is a matter of designing something to fit them.
    In schools, colleges,training Institutes and universities in msia, Singapore, UK, students and trainees are even asked to evaluate their teachers, trainers, professors etc. to assess whether their teachers are effective, dedicated etc. to help them.
    Psychology is not about merely being hard, it is more facilitating, using psychology to make trainees or students responsible for themselves,by educating them and punishing or rewarding them if they dont follow advice.
    Those are the current trends and challenges to mentors,coaches, teachers, trainers etc. In private colleges,institutes or Universities in Msia, a teacher can get sacked once enough students complain to the management that the teacher is no good.
    It is nowadays mandatory to use modern methods eg.using the Psychology of learning to be effective in work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by extremenanopowe View Post
    So far only lcw, kkk/tbh and perhaps the cps mx department is in top 10. The rest is still below par. Doesn't look good compared to other countries. BAM is in trouble. Or Malaysia I shd say.
    I would say the ladies singles has a lot of potential, compared to the past when there was only Wong Mew Choo,
    now there is Tai,Cheah sisters,Julia, the only problem is balancing their careers.
    The men's doubles back-up pairs are slowly coming thru.

    The gap and disparity is not as deep and bad as in the Men's Singles Department.

    Nothing wrong with seeing problems from various possible angles, the possibilities are poor coaches, poor trainees, poor management, poor education system etc.etc.,but blaming particular people or looking for scapegoats solves nothing.
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    Just 10 years ago or so, when Morten Frost and Indra were chief coaches, the men's team had Ong Ewe Hock, Wong Choon Han,
    Lee Tsuen Seng, Yong Hock Kin, Sairul, Ismail Saman,Roslin, Hafiz, etc and Lee WW & Choong Tan Fook, Chew Choon Eng & Chan Chong Ming etc.
    all in the same team.
    Things must have started going downhill with Yap Kim Hock and worse still after he left.
    Nevertheless during and after Yap's time, Girls have improved with Wong Mew Choo,Wong Pei Ty,Chin Ee Hui etc until Msia is now in the top league in the Sudirman Cup, and ranked no.3 in badminton overall.
    You have to look at the picture with more facts. I suspect the weakness is in the effective implementation of science,technology and management , others keep looking for improvements whilst we keep looking inwards and relying on the past, others like Japan,Korea,China,Taiwan, ie. the high tech nations are moving forward.
    Msia needs to be more open and learn from others instead of always looking inward to move forward.
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    Of course a large part of the problem is the chairman representing Proton and the Politicians.Unlike Gunalan or Ganga
    who know everything about badminton, the Chairman just allowed everything to run by itself.Now he uses the CTC in lieu
    of a Chief Coach to help him make decisions ,at least he realised his mistake and tried sth new or copied from elsewhere.

    But there is no question of removing him as the politicians will never allow it,and the sponsors have to be Proton or Maybank
    and not others, so we have to work within these constraints.

    Unless coaches are better educated and exposed to management it will be difficult to find Park Joo Bongs or Frosts to do the job of accountants.

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    Ratchanok is the perfect eg.of how you can mould an impoverished village kid into a winner like Slum Dog Millionaire.The complete opposite would be Wong Mew Choo who can afford to finish off the family fortune like Eddy and win glory for her country.

    Ian Wright thinks that young kids should not rise too fast, they should be entered in tours in stages, starting from juniors to satellite b4 moving into senior tours,this is to build up their confidence by winning small tours first b4 going to seniors. Ratchanok has won the juniors but is stuck now in the seniors,she may be stuck forever . LCW was already semi-finalists in World Juniors with LD,Bao & Sonny.
    The best eg.is Hafiz, he won AE at 20 years and thereafter could not cope with the pressure and sunk into oblivion possibly because he rose up too fast and fell like a rocket. Juniors should be given time to win smaller tournaments first.

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    Now where is MS, the main subject of this thread????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    Now where is MS, the main subject of this thread????
    Probably he is tired reading this thread

    recently there are too boring grandma story telling posts... lol

    Cheung should do some cleaning ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    Now where is MS, the main subject of this thread????
    it IS about Misbun and what he probably does not know, it needs people to be mildly intelligent and not with little heads and hearts to read between the lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Excellent idea, Loh! I hope Misbun or people close to him are monitoring this thread, and give serious consideration to this!
    I doubt MS or NSC or BAM monitors what BCers say over here.

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    Thumbs up Let's hope for Misbun Sidek to return ASAP

    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    Now where is MS, the main subject of this thread????
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    Really wishing to know what Misbun would be doing next. I cannot imagine that he would leave Badminton for good. I believe some news about his plans could be revealed soon.

    Let's hope for MS to return ASAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakito View Post
    I doubt MS or NSC or BAM monitors what BCers say over here.
    Only kwun knows the real identity of members who logs in here ..

    Only he needs to do some extra work

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