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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    In the mid-2000's, BAM had the best Womens Singles and Doubles team (in the history of Malaysian Badminton, as far as I know). IMHO. it was Cheah Soon Kit who helped to raise their standards.

    But guessed what? Cheah Soon Kit's work wasn't appreciated by BAM either (again I gather my courage to comment about this). CSK's contract was left out in the dark (just as was Li Mao's contract).

    It showed that BAM is a 'never-appreciative' organisation.
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    BAM and MS have some conflict but other coaches eg.doubles are not involved,so it is sth between BAM and Misbun.

    The show will surely go on in other departments.So far other coaches have not made any statements.

    At least we know it is something solely between MS and BAM for the moment and it could be matters confined to the Men's singles dept., to some it sounds like it is MS et al vs BAM.

    This is just a statement of fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    Bbn ah, long time over already the issue. Because of big hu ha, KLRC ended up not offering Hafiz, politics I'll say. Nusa or rather Jailani said if Hafiz go BAM boleh, national association, blah blah, Jailani didnt want to offend BAM.
    End up, BAM offered Hafiz, he has been there since early 2009 if I remember correctly. THere's a thread on Hafiz quiting Nusa, the info all there.
    Thanks for the info, to be honest I only read some threads in BC that interest me and never click on sections I have no interest in.

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    Arrow It's something that Misbun doesn't want to deal with BAM anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    BAM and MS have some conflict but other coaches eg.doubles are not involved, so it is sth between BAM and Misbun.

    The show will surely go on in other departments. So far other coaches have not made any statements.

    At least we know it is something solely between MS and BAM for the moment and it could be matters confined to the Men's singles dept., to some it sounds like it is MS et al vs BAM.

    This is just a statement of fact.
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    Yes, it's something that Misbun doesn't want to deal with BAM anymore. That's why he snubbed the BAM president, as it was mentioned by Teoh Teng Chor (a member of the BAM coaching and training committee); "The president had even called him but he chose to snub the president and speak with the Sports Minister."

    However, Misbun is still in contact with Lee Chong Wei, as it was reported that Misbun phoned LCW (in Taipei), analysing his play/performance at the 2010 SSMF tournament.

    Source: http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v5....php?id=555564
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    Well after you read the statement by the sports minister in the Star today which someone or other will post

    it has been narrowed down to 3 basic issues :

    1) MS 's training methods and techniques (up to you to evaluate )

    2) Family matters (related to 1)

    3) BAM 's role and administration and management policies

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    from The Star

    Tuesday January 11 , 2011
    Shabery hopes for a win - win situation in Misbun ’ s episode
    By RAJES PAUL

    KUALA LUMPUR : Youth and Sports Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Shabery Cheek understands the feelings of an aggrieved Misbun Sidek. And he is also well aware of the constraints of the Badminton Association of Malaysia ( BAM) .

    On the agenda of the BAM exco meeting tomorrow is Misbun’ s decision to quit as a national coach . He submitted his resignation letter via email on Dec 31 via email.

    And Shabery hopes that BAM will re- look into Misbun’ s grouses in an open manner and a win - win situation will come out of it .

    Shabery drew this conclusion a day after meeting Misbun and the BAM president , Datuk Seri Nadzmi Mohd Salleh , together on Sunday night .

    The meeting at a undisclosed place was also attended by the National Sports Council ( NSC ) director general, Datuk Zolkples Embong .

    Shabery said that the discussion was a positive and constructive one .

    “ Misbun spoke openly to Nadzmi on the reasons for his shocking resignation . He was hurt because his perception on the technical aspect and training system were misunderstood . He spoke clearly to Nadzmi about all these ,” he said .

    “ Misbun also said that he had no ulterior motive . He has no plan to start a new professional outfit or had any plan to tie up with other sponsors .“

    Nadzmi , on the other hand , highlighted the basic principles that the BAM stood by and on how decisions were made. Both have their ideologies and ways of doing things .

    “ Now, Nadzmi is clear on what had happened and he will present what Misbun said to the exco . The onus is on the BAM to decide whether to accept or reject Misbun ’s resignation. And I hope they will come out with a win- win situation to stop this issue from snowballing into something very destructive . ”

    Shabery also said that it was important to understand the feelings of a coach , his instincts and the role of his family members .

    “ Misbun has contributed a lot to our sport . As an experienced coach , he may also have an instinct for future champions ,” he said .

    “ The success of tennis player Serena Williams and golfer Michele Wie is because of strong support from their families . All these have to be taken into account . ”

    It is learnt that the last straw that drove Misbun to quit was the BAM ’s decision to turn down his request for his son, Ramdan , to come under his charge .

    Under the BAM’ s new coaching and training structure , players aged 21 and above and those with great potential are placed in the elite squad .

    The others are divided into the elite back- up and back- up, according to their level of maturity in their game and Ramdan was placed under the charge of Hendrawan .

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    It appears that majority of BCers side with MS/LCW than BAM in this saga...quite the contrary in the case of TCS. NSC brought out a big stick and hammered TCS for wanting to walk out while a red carpet unfolds for the 2 datuks, quite a double standard. NSC and BAM are in a tough position. To carve in to this would set a dangerous precedent and a laughing joke in future.
    I always believe no one is indispensible even in sports After all, the early years of development and nurturing by the giving party should not be forgotten.
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    In the interest of professionalism, BAM shd let TCS go. I didn't notice this early.

    Eventually, all countries prefer deregulation. From the public point of view of course. Tax matters.

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    "Nadzmi , on the other hand , highlighted the basic principles that the BAM stood by and on how decisions were made. Both have their ideologies and ways of doing things ."

    This statement is in line with policies in many set-ups.Even government departments are going for eg.

    ISO accreditation and Quality Systems. This is to ensure that operations conform to certain guidelines,go by best practices and avoid decisions based on whims and fancies ie. an organised system.This can reduce abuse of power,bad management and eg.corruption.To some this is good management, giving employees too much leeway and room may end up the company as a whole going bust as can be seen in many modern Western enterprises using the wrong system for the wrong industry.in the eyes of some BAM is actually
    making improvements year by year conforming to best management practises, as compared to the past when it was run by dictators and their hangers-on like a small shop.

    Of course there is always room for flexibility in any system, but the basis for deviating is to attain the best results.

    The best practical example of such systems at work can be seen in Star Trek movies, how Mr. Spock goes by the book and how James Kirk bends all the rules not for his personal agenda but to save his ship.

    Of course such rigid rule conforming systems will never work in creative industries such as making movies, song -writing,
    computer games , the arts etc. etc.where the key is thinking out of the box and creativity , as opposed to being boxed in

    by rules and regulations.
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    from NST

    Badminton : Technical matters blamed


    MISBUN Sidek resigned as national coach because of technical matters , not due to personal issues or outside influence .

    And Misbun' s future depends on whether the BA of Malaysia ( BAM ) accommodates his requests or persuades him to renew his contract in tomorrow' s Exco meeting .

    Sports Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Shabery Cheek said Misbun resigned because he was unhappy with the current coaching structure .

    Ahmad Shabery, together with National Sports Council ( NSC ) director general Datuk Zolkples Embong , had a closed door meeting with Misbun and BA of Malaysia ( BAM ) president Datuk Seri Nadzmi Salleh on Sunday in the hope of settling the issue amicably.

    " It was a fruitful dialogue as we got the actual reason behind his resignation. Misbun and Nadzmi had a heart - to- heart talk, " said Ahmad Shabery at the National Sports Council ( NSC ) in Bukit Jalil yesterday .

    " The picture is clearer now as we know why he left . Both parties have their own views about the coaching structure . I want to stress that Misbun resigned because of technical issues and not because of other factors ."

    There were rumours that both ( Lee ) Chong Wei and he had been approached by a sponsor . It is untrue . It is also not true that he wants to open a badminton academy. "

    Ahmad Shabery hopes both parties ( BAM and Misbun) will compromise as he does not want the issue to prolong.

    " It will affect our badminton if this issue is not settled amicably . I think both parties must handle it carefully as the needs of players are being affected .

    " Of course, Misbun 's views have to be studied too as a coach knows best on what his player needs to improve ," he said .

    The minister said it is up to BAM to make the next move .

    " Nadzmi will bring up Misbun ' s issue during the Exco meeting and it will be deliberated before a decision is made."

    It is entirely up to BAM on whether to accept Misbun ' s resignation or persuade him to stay on .

    " Of course, BAM would need to think of options after a final decision is made, " added Ahmad Shabery.

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    Perhaps a good example of how flexibility can work in a rigid system is China allowing

    autonomy in regions like HK or Tibet or SinJiang, every now and then when uprisings occur,they will send a reminder to toe the line ie.national interests before regional first.

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    i wonder how other back-up players will feel if MS's son is allowed to train with and in the company of the best senior players.

    Maybe it is fate, just see how Li Gen or Tommy Sugiarto is treated elsewhere,

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    Arrow Allow players and coaches to go independent if they wish to do so

    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    It appears that majority of BCers side with MS/LCW than BAM in this saga...quite the contrary in the case of TCS. NSC brought out a big stick and hammered TCS for wanting to walk out while a red carpet unfolds for the 2 datuks, quite a double standard. NSC and BAM are in a tough position. To carve in to this would set a dangerous precedent and a laughing joke in future.
    I always believe no one is indispensible even in sports After all, the early years of development and nurturing by the giving party should not be forgotten.
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    Look at university students and university professors; A university is an institution for learning with teaching, training and research facilities. After a student has graduated, he/she should not to be tied down by the university. Similarly, after a professor has taught and has done something great (say, introduced something new), again, he/she should not be tied down.

    BAM (or any National Badminton Associations) should look at the interests of their players and coaches like some of the other National Sporting Associations. Allow players and coaches to go independent if they wish to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Look at university students and university professors; A university is an institution for learning with teaching, training and research facilities. After a student has graduated, he/she should not to be tied down by the university. Similarly, after a professor has taught and has done something great (say, introduced something new), again, he/she should not be tied down.

    BAM (or any National Badminton Associations) should look at the interests of their players and coaches like some of the other National Sporting Associations. Allow players and coaches to go independent if they wish to do so.
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    I suppose you are at U in Aussieland. My wife and I both went to university and that were many, many moons ago and now, we are looking at our daughter 3rd year at U. I went to Polytechnic first followed by U next, and today a professional mechanical/civil engineer, all paid by my parent, myself working part time and later government loan. The difference is we paid fees to attend, U did not pay for us, even though we can say the govt paid 2 of the 4 years for our daugther. BAM on the other hand pay all cost to develop the players and if the players do not pan out then tax payer and sponsors' $$$ went bust. If the player succeed and go independent and reap big $$$, who would bother sponsor BAM. It is easier if you put yourself in BAM shoes today making this decision that looks like either way BAM is screwed.
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    Badminton: Chong Wei ready to walk with Misbun

    2011/01/11
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    MISBUN SIDEK

    LEE Chong Wei is not ready to change coaches and will quit the national squad if Misbun Sidek is not persuaded by the BA of Malaysia (BAM) executive council (exco) to reconsider his decision. Chong Wei, who returned from Taiwan yesterday, said it will take at least six months to adapt to the training methods of a new coach and the World No 1 does not want to risk his preparations for the 2012 London Olympics.

    The BAM exco meeting will be held tomorrow where president Datuk Seri Nadzmi Salleh is likely make an official announcement on the Misbun issue.

    The majority of exco and council members favour accepting Misbun's resignation which means Chong Wei's departure also looks inevitable.

    "I don't want to train under anyone other than Misbun and if he decides to leave, I will join him. If BAM accepts his resignation, I will leave immediately," said Chong Wei yesterday.

    "It takes about six months to adapt to the training of a new coach and I don't want to take the risk at this stage of my career. I need to prepare for the 2012 London Olympics and I want to be under Misbun."

    Chong Wei also disclosed that Misbun had been calling him in Taiwan and helping him during the World Super Series Masters Finals which the former won.

    Chong Wei is also looking forward to a confrontation with China's Olympic champion Lin Dan in a likely semi-final encounter in the Malaysia Open, and no matter what transpires in the next few days, he is certain Misbun will be guiding him in the Super Series event next week.

    "People are expecting a battle against Lin Dan in the Malaysia Open and Misbun will be there to guide me, no matter what happens in the coming days," said Chong Wei.

    "If a decision is finalised on Wednesday (tomorrow) where Misbun's resignation is accepted, I will go out (of the national team) but I will compete in the Malaysia Open as I am serious about defending the title."

    It appears that BAM should be prepared to let Misbun and Chong Wei go and this could be followed by the departure of several elite players like Tan Chun Seang, Chan Kwong Beng and Liew Daren.

    However, BAM may have to accept that the only way it can persuade Misbun to stay is by making an about-turn on the recently revamped national training structure.

    That prospect doesn't look bright if the mood of the BAM management and council members is any indication.

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    Like I say before Sibuchai's post, I don't envy those BAM fellas, screwed all the way Sure some people in BAM will get some white hair overight and some will lose a lot of hair times for aspirin.
    BTW, BAM and Malaysian tax-payers are in the same corporation that pay to support the development of badminton in Malaysia
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    Arrow I am not saying that both Misbun and Lee Chong Wei should not be thankful to BAM

    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    I suppose you are at U in Aussieland. My wife and I both went to university and that were many, many moons ago and now, we are looking at our daughter 3rd year at U. I went to Polytechnic first followed by U next, and today a professional mechanical/civil engineer, all paid by my parent, myself working part time and later government loan. The difference is we paid fees to attend, U did not pay for us, even though we can say the govt paid 2 of the 4 years for our daugther. BAM on the other hand pay all cost to develop the players and if the players do not pan out then tax payer and sponsors' $$$ went bust. If the player succeed and go independent and reap big $$$, who would bother sponsor BAM. It is easier if you put yourself in BAM shoes today making this decision that looks like either way BAM is screwed.
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    I look at BAM as a government funded organisation with one of their objectives to promote Badminton in Malaysia. BAM also decides who to include to form teams at international events.

    I am not saying that both Misbun and Lee Chong Wei should not be thankful to BAM. BAM has provided them with opportunities for them to arrive at where they are now.

    What I am saying is BAM should not tie them down. After all, both of them have not said that they wish not be involved in the MAS team if they go independent.
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    Looks like BAM have to kowtow to LCW + Misbun formidable and indispensable pair... The most likely outcome is BAM has got to suck thumb and succumb to the pressure of missing out the OG GOLD... TAK BOLEH lah

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