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    Arrow You must not go independent

    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
    What I am saying is BAM should not tie them down. After all, both of them have not said that they wish not be involved in the MAS team if they go independent.
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    Another comparison that I can think of;

    A father who has his family business should not tell his son "You cannot start your own separate business when we already have our established family business. You must not go independent".
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    Arrow Looks like BAM have to kowtow to LCW + Misbun

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    Looks like BAM have to kowtow to LCW + Misbun formidable and indispensable pair... The most likely outcome is BAM has got to suck thumb and succumb to the pressure of missing out the OG GOLD... TAK BOLEH lah
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    *1. BAM do have to kowtow to LCW + Misbun. BAM have other things to concentrate on.
    *2. It is still possible for LCW + Misbun (if they go independent) to win the OG GOLD for Malaysia.
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    The BAM though has a flaw which has never changed, it takes too long for young players to move up the ranks.

    Probably because the team is too big in player numbers.

    Look at how fast Thailand or Japan or Korea can move and produce youngsters.

    Its like U students, some traditional Us take 4 years to produce Engineers but some can do the same in 2 years.

    Maybe a change in thinking and an accelerated program is necessary.Players may not need to be kept so long until they grow roots there are so many alternatives open to them nowadays.

    MS conflict with BAM is not new, Frost,Indra quit because of disagreement with management, even during Li Mao's time

    he gave up after he could not get certain promising players to train and succeed LCW and that was ages ago and today the same problem is recurring. The system itself may be too traditional compared to others.

    The best way I think is to allow Private Clubs to compete with BAM, just as in the 90s when Nusa competed with BAM

    and produced the best team in recent times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Wrong; there are 2 points here;
    *1. BAM do have to kowtow to LCW + Misbun. BAM have other things to concentrate on.
    *2. It is still possible for LCW + Misbun (if they go independent) to win the OG GOLD for Malaysia.
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    If that's the case, BAM should just let them go. Be independent and get the lucrative deal from Li Ning. Strike rich while the rod is still hot. It's a win-win, BOLEH?

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    so guys, what do you all predict will be the headlines in the press after the council meeting

    1/ lets compromise for the sake of national interest
    2/ lets work together …
    3/ its a committee decision!
    4/ the committee has decided …
    5/ lets go separate ways …
    6/ lets restructure the training program together…
    7/ a tough decision indeed …
    8/ good news…
    9/ lets work our weaknesses
    10/ resignation approved!
    11/ resignation disapproved…
    12/ misbun, please reconsider …
    13/ sorry, we have to let you go …
    14/ lets vote!
    15/

    somebody continue please

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    15. We have set up a sub-committe to examine the situation and give its recommendation. The committee has been tasked with providing its findings within 3 years.

    16. Lets all go out and get drunk. 2012 the world will end!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    15. We have set up a sub-committe to examine the situation and give its recommendation. The committee has been tasked with providing its findings within 3 years.

    16. Lets all go out and get drunk. 2012 the world will end!
    Do you realise that today is an auspicious day with 5 'ones" - 1/11/11 (Jan 11, 2011 in short form).

    I bet there will be a record number of marriages today, even though it is a weekday!

    So something good should come out of it (BAM's decision).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    Do you realise that today is an auspicious day with 5 'ones" - 1/11/11 (Jan 11, 2011 in short form).

    I bet there will be a record number of marriages today, even though it is a weekday!

    So something good should come out of it (BAM's decision).
    As in, "every cloud has a silver lining?" Well, I hope so too, that something really good comes of all this.

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    been missing but when I came back, got all these nice, joking reads, keep me smiling... keep up the good work guys...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    so guys, what do you all predict will be the headlines in the press after the council meeting

    1/ lets compromise for the sake of national interest
    2/ lets work together …
    3/ its a committee decision!
    4/ the committee has decided …
    5/ lets go separate ways …
    6/ lets restructure the training program together…
    7/ a tough decision indeed …
    8/ good news…
    9/ lets work our weaknesses
    10/ resignation approved!
    11/ resignation disapproved…
    12/ misbun, please reconsider …
    13/ sorry, we have to let you go …
    14/ lets vote!
    15/

    somebody continue please
    Let me continue

    18. A happy ending......Datuk N##### sacked.
    19. Datuk Misbun took back his resignation decision since Datuk N#### has been sacked.
    20. Council wants Datuk Misbun as BAM President
    21. Rashid sacked.... Wong Mew Choo threatened to follow him

    Just to lighten up things guyssss........

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    22. BAM shut down. NSC takes over.

    23. Misbun arrested for "unpatriotic behaviour." LCW resigns and vows never to play badminton again. Revolts in the streets. Mid-term elections called for. LCW runs for PM of Malaysia by popular demand. Wins popular vote by landslide margin. His first declaration is to make badminton practise compulsory for all kids for 4 years. All gaming warehouses are converted into badminton clubs. Malaysia becomes the biggest baddy powerhouse in the world in 4 years. LCW elected PM for life. MS is special advisor for life. Every lives happily ever after. Oh, I almost forgot. Taufik becomes lifelong Indonesia Ambassador to Malaysia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    BAM needs to be thinking clearer.

    IF national singles coach Misbun Sidek wants to leave the BA of Malaysia ( BAM), he should be allowed to do so.

    Misbun Sidek has already resigned. It's not that he wanted to resign.

    Teng Chor was also surprised that Misbun refused to meet with BAM president Datuk Seri Nadzmi Salleh to thrash out the issue but agreed to discuss the matter with Sports Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Shabery Cheek.

    It shows that Kedah BA (KBA) president Teoh Teng Kor doesn't know what caused Misbun to resign. Where is the email that was sent to BAM? Hope that BAM can be more transparent; to release it for everyone to read.

    Had Misbun met Nadzmi, Teng Chor feels the issue could have been resolved. "As far as I 'm concerned, Misbun made the decision to resign by himself and if he feels it's the right decision he should leave. Nobody is indispensable and we (BAM) didn't force him to leave," said Teng Chor.

    'Nobody is indispensable and we (BAM) didn't force him to leave?' Then, why is BAM trying to get Misbun back. I just don't understand all this double-talk.

    "The coaching and training committee decided that Hendrawan should train Misbun Ramdan . He still has some way to go before becoming a elite player . We are not against Misbun. " Terengganu BA ( TBA ) president Datuk Sayed Abu Bakar Abdullah said that the executive council ( Exco ) meeting tomorrow should be able to solve the matter.

    "Let the Exco decide on the issue on Tuesday (tomorrow). By then, the president (Nadzmi) would have met the Sports Minister and Misbun and should be able to come up with a final decision ," said Sayed Abu Bakar.


    It also shows that Terengganu BA (TBA) president Datuk Sayed Abu Bakar Abdullah is not thinking clearly either. I shall repeat "Misbun Sidek has already resigned. It's not that he wanted to resign."

    BAM treasurer Datuk Lim Teong Kiat said the ball is on Misbun's court and he should be the one to decide.

    "Resignation of coaches is normal. Life will go on if Misbun sticks to his decision . We still have Rashid (Sidek) and Tey Siu Bock and training will carry on," said Teong Kiat.


    It shows that BAM treasurer Datuk Lim Teong Kiat is also not thinking clearly either. I shall repeat "Misbun Sidek has already resigned. It's not that he wanted to resign."

    I would summarise things with these comments;

    Misbun resigned because he did not find BAM appreciating his work. And even after he has resigned BAM committee members are still not commenting that they appreciated Misbun's work. They keep saying that it's up to Misbun to decide.

    So, I shall repeat it the last time;
    "Misbun Sidek has already resigned. It's not that he wanted to resign."

    BAM needs to be thinking clearer.
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    It is not as simple as what you have said. Yes, Misbun has tendered his resignation but it is not necessarily legally binding or final as there are procedures and channels for resignations to be formally followed before any resignation is binding. Also any resignation should be formally accepted by BAM to be final. BAM is a legal entity and it would have in place a procedure for resignations by players, coaches, and BAM staff and officials. There are such a thing as pre quit notice, certain period of advance information and other conditions including buy-out or early termination compensation, etc.
    Therefore both BAM treasurer Lim Teong Kiat and Terengganu BA president Datuk Sayed Abu Bakar Abdullah are correct in their statements.

    My take on this is that Misbun should go his own way and if LCW wants to go with him then let it be. This is the best solution as it will allow MS and LCW to go it alone and at the same time will not embarrass BAM if they are forced to accept Misbun's terms they deem not to be in the national interest in the long term or as a matter of principle.

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    If BAM have "INTEGRITY" Issues here. If they don't take their stand, no one will take them seriously.
    If LCW quits and be a professional, is BAM going to "BAN" him from participating in international tournaments?

    Hmmmm will have to see the outcome of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    23. Misbun arrested for "unpatriotic behaviour." LCW resigns and vows never to play badminton again. Revolts in the streets. Mid-term elections called for. LCW runs for PM of Malaysia by popular demand. Wins popular vote by landslide margin. His first declaration is to make badminton practise compulsory for all kids for 4 years. All gaming warehouses are converted into badminton clubs. Malaysia becomes the biggest baddy powerhouse in the world in 4 years. LCW elected PM for life. MS is special advisor for life. Every lives happily ever after. Oh, I almost forgot. Taufik becomes lifelong Indonesia Ambassador to Malaysia.
    LOL, LOL, this is best one so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    It is not as simple as what you have said. Yes, Misbun has tendered his resignation but it is not necessarily legally binding or final as there are procedures and channels for resignations to be formally followed before any resignation is binding. Also any resignation should be formally accepted by BAM to be final. BAM is a legal entity and it would have in place a procedure for resignations by players, coaches, and BAM staff and officials. There are such a thing as pre quit notice, certain period of advance information and other conditions including buy-out or early termination compensation, etc.
    Therefore both BAM treasurer Lim Teong Kiat and Terengganu BA president Datuk Sayed Abu Bakar Abdullah are correct in their statements.

    My take on this is that Misbun should go his own way and if LCW wants to go with him then let it be. This is the best solution as it will allow MS and LCW to go it alone and at the same time will not embarrass BAM if they are forced to accept Misbun's terms they deem not to be in the national interest in the long term or as a matter of principle.
    I think LCW holds the ace card. If LCW stays neutral and not declare he will move on with MS, or if LCW is just another TCS, then BAM will gladly bid MS sayonara. MS, without LCW, does not hold the bargaining chip. NSC and BAM needs LCW, the one player that can win for them. With so many Datuks involve in this carnival, it is getting hot politically.
    I can't help but wonder, what if this saga occurs in CHN under LYB's watch? What would Mr. Li do?

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    Berjayakah persatuan sukan mengurus era profesional?

    SECARA sepintas lalu hanya Datuk Lee Chong Wei dan Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong sahaja yang berjaya antara ramai pemain dalam stable BAM.
    Jurulatih mereka ialah Datuk Misbun Sidek dan Rexy Mainaky, walaupun BAM mempunyai ramai jurulatih lain.
    At a glance, only LCW, KKK/TBH are successful among the players in BAM stable. Their coaches are Misbun & Rexy although BAM has many other coaches.

    Kalau BAM mewujudkan KPI beberapa tahun lalu, sudah tentu dua jurulatih ini mencapai atau melebihi sasaran KPI yang ditetapkan.
    If BAM had started the KPI a few years ago, certainly the 2 coaches would have achieved the KPI or beyond


    Agak malang bagi Chong Wei dilahirkan sezaman dengan Lin Dan.
    Lin Dan merupakan pemain badminton yang cukup ampuh yang pernah ditemui setakat ini.
    Sekiranya Chong Wei bukan sezaman dengan Lin Dan, sudah tentu semua kejohanan dimonopolinya.
    It is unfortunate that LCW is born same era as LD. LD is a great player of all time, so far. If LCW is not same era as LD, he would have won more touranments.

    Pada pandangan saya, pada peringkat ini, siapa juga jurulatihnya, corak permainan Chong Wei tidak akan banyak dapat diubah kerana beliau sudah pun berumur 28 tahun.
    Chong Wei pun tahu hanya Misbun yang berjaya membawanya ke tahap sekarang dan beliau akan menghabiskan kerjayanya bersama jurulatih itu.
    At this point, whoever is LCW's coach, his playing style will not change but cos he is already 28 yo. LCW also knows only MIsbun successfully brought him to the stage he is now & he will finish the final years of his career with this coach.

    Selain corak permainan yang berbeza, ketangkasan Lin Dan amat menakjubkan.
    Beliau boleh menentukan sama ada mahu menang atau tidak. Sama ada ingin mengambil bahagian dalam pertandingan atau tidak.
    Lin Dan mampu berbuat demikian kerana semua mengaku bahawa beliau adalah jaguh badminton yang amat jarang ditemui.

    Other than different playing style, LD has incredible agility/fitness. He can dictate whether want to win or not(sound like some LD fans, lol). Whether want to take part in tournament or not.


    China pula menjamin masa depan atletnya. Inilah satu-satunya ciri yang dipunyai oleh model sukan bagi negara komunis atau sosialis.
    Dibandingkan dengan Chong Wei atau atlet negara yang lain, masa depan mereka tidak dijamin oleh kerajaan.
    Walaupun sebelum Sukan Asia di Doha 2006 telah dijanjikan satu skim jaminan masa depan atlet akan diwujudkan tetapi sampai sekarang kita masih belum mendengar cadangan mengenainya.
    China also guarantees their players future, the one aspect (different from democratic) that a commuist/socialist country has


    Oleh itu, atlet yang berjaya seperti Chong Wei akan cuba memaksimumkan pendapatannya semasa beliau masih lagi berupaya mencapai kemenangan.
    Jurulatihnya juga akan menumpang sama di atas kejayaan anak didiknya seperti yang berlaku dalam dunia sukan profesional.
    Selepas Chong Wei bersara seperti juga atlet lain, nasib mereka kurang dipedulikan kecuali bila sakit, Yayasan Kebajikan Atlet (YAKEB) akan membantu mengikut peraturan yang ada.
    Therefore, players like LCW will try to maximize income while he is still able. After LCW retires, their future is less taken care of (by government). Except when sick YAKEB will give assistance.


    Atlet negara kita khususnya yang berada dalam program elit MSN boleh dikatakan atlet profesional kerana mereka berlatih sepenuh masa dan dibayar gaji dan segala-galanya sebagai seorang atlet.
    Yang kurangnya ialah mereka diuruskan oleh persatuan atau MSN dalam menjalankan tugas sebagai seorang atlet untuk menyertai kejohanan atau pertandingan yang telah dijadualkan.
    Our players train full time & can be considered as prof. THey are managed by their association or NSC in terms of entry in tournaments, etc.

    Dalam keadaan yang amat berbeza dari masa dahulu, kemampuan persatuan atau organisasi lain yang turut mengendalikan atlet ini perlu berupaya menangani suasana yang berubah ini.
    Persatuan sukan yang diuruskan oleh wakil dari persatuan negeri kadang-kala tidak dapat berubah mengikut perubahan zaman.
    Ada antara wakil yang menjadi pembuat dasar ini tidak pun pernah melahirkan atlet-atlet yang bertaraf antarabangsa.
    Mereka membuat keputusan mengikut pengalaman mereka yang terhad. Tanpa terdedah dengan situasi yang baru ini kadang-kadang keputusan yang dibuat tidak secocok dengan perkembangan yang ada.
    Sports association who are governed by reps from state association sometimes do not change with the times. Some policy makers themselves have never produced international level players. They make decision according to their limited experience. Without exposure to new situations, sometimes decisions made are not in line with new developments (in sport)

    Sewajarnyalah BAM perlu melayan Misbun dan Chong Wei serta Rexy dan Kien Keat-Boon Heong berbeza daripada jurulatih dan pemain yang lain kerana mereka memberi kejayaan kepada BAM dan negara.
    Dalam keadaan ini, ternyata BAM atau sebahagian kecil pegawainya tidak dapat membezakan cara mengurus atlet atau jurulatih yang berjaya dengan yang tidak.
    By right, BAM should treat Misbun, LCW, Rexy, KK/TBH as different from other coaches & players because they have brought success to BAM & country. In this situation it's evident that BAM or certain officials cannot differentiate between managing successful players & non/not yet successful players.

    Ini adalah asas pengurusan manusia yang kadang kala terlepas pandang.
    KBS perlu menubuhkan unit kecil untuk menangani profesionalisme dalam sukan.
    Persatuan sukan tidak mempunyai kemampuan kerana mereka berkhidmat secara sukarela.
    Walaupun niat mereka baik tetapi cara mereka melaksanakan dasar kadang kala kurang tepat.
    This is basic HR management that sometimes is overlooked. Sports Ministry needs to set up a unit to manage professionalism in sports. Associations dont have the ability cos they are voluntary.

    Minta maaf kalau saya katakan kita boleh mencari presiden atau pegawai persatuan sukan dengan lebih mudah dibandingkan dengan urusan mencari atlet atau jurulatih yang berjaya yang amat jarang diperolehi.
    Chong Wei dan Kien Keat-Boon Heong merupakan atlet yang mempunyai bakat yang cemerlang yang amat jarang ditemui.
    My apologies for saying so but we can find a president or official easier than player or coach who are successful (hahahaha) LCW , KKK/TBH are talents that are rare to come by.

    Seperti juga Datuk Nicol David dan Azizulhasni Awang dan lain-lain atlet yang mempunyai bakat yang luar biasa dulu, sekarang dan pada masa akan datang.
    Oleh itu, usaha menyelesaikan kemelut Misbun dengan BAM perlu ditangani dengan segala kewarasan.
    Saya menyokong langkah Menteri Belia dan Sukan untuk menyelesaikan masalah ini dengan cara yang menguntungkan secepat mungkin supaya keadaan tidak berpanjangan.
    As with Nicol David, Azzizul Hasni,etc, & future althetes. So, the effort to solve the BAM-Msibun issue needs to be handled carefully.I support the Sports Minister's effort to solve it in win-win situation as quick as possible


    http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info...n&pg=su_04.htm


    Chris@ccc will lilke this article. Seems the reporter also read BC. Sorry for all the typo.

    Last edited by eaglehelang; 01-11-2011 at 01:46 AM.

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    I wonder what is the outcome of the *SECRET* meeting between Misspun & Shabelly?

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