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    Arrow There is no point for BAM to ask Misbun to stay if he said he is not happy there

    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    It is not as simple as what you have said. Yes, Misbun has tendered his resignation but it is not necessarily legally binding or final as there are procedures and channels for resignations to be formally followed before any resignation is binding. Also any resignation should be formally accepted by BAM to be final. BAM is a legal entity and it would have in place a procedure for resignations by players, coaches, and BAM staff and officials. There are such a thing as pre quit notice, certain period of advance information and other conditions including buy-out or early termination compensation, etc.

    Therefore both BAM treasurer Lim Teong Kiat and Terengganu BA president Datuk Sayed Abu Bakar Abdullah are correct in their statements.

    My take on this is that Misbun should go his own way and if LCW wants to go with him then let it be. This is the best solution as it will allow MS and LCW to go it alone and at the same time will not embarrass BAM if they are forced to accept Misbun's terms they deem not to be in the national interest in the long term or as a matter of principle.
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    There is no point for BAM to ask Misbun to stay if he said he is not happy there.

    Also, I don't think Misbun intended to embarrass BAM when he tended his resignation. In fact, I think he should be the one feeling embarrassed when he needed to resign.
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    Question If LCW quits and be a professional, is BAM going to "BAN" him?

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    If BAM have "INTEGRITY" Issues here. If they don't take their stand, no one will take them seriously.

    If LCW quits and be a professional, is BAM going to "BAN" him from participating in international tournaments?

    Hmmmm will have to see the outcome of this.
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    I thought the Youth and Sports Minister, Datuk Seri Ahmad Shabery Cheek, has already said that LCW is free to go independent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    I like this one more,lol : Sports association who are governed by reps from state association sometimes do not change with the times. Some policy makers themselves have never produced international level players. They make decision according to their limited experience. Without exposure to new situations, sometimes decisions made are not in line with new developments (in sport)

    that would be "comment for next week"

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    There is no point for BAM to ask Misbun to stay if he said he is not happy there.

    Also, I don't think Misbun intended to embarrass BAM when he tended his resignation. In fact, I think he should be the one feeling embarrassed when he needed to resign.
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    Misbun is very passionate in what he is doing, in particular about LCW and his son. But sometimes his desire/wish may pose very serious potential problem for the country and national interest without even realizing it. Were he to get what he feels strongly about his son the impact it will have on 'the rule of law' re BAM and the morale on the other coaches (Hendrawan, etc) will have long lasting adverse consequences.
    Now that a minister is involved it is too late. Ministers get in the act for political reasons and BAM is under political pressure. Let us see if BAM has the guts to do the right thing.
    Make no mistake about what I think about Misbun. I think he is a great coach, extremely capable, dedicated, and passionately about his charges. But he is a loner, an eccentric best suited to an advisory role and never in a supervisory or managerial role.
    He is best in the role that the 'Thing' is to Lin Dan today, as mentor and coach. Advisors are specialists with no supervisory role and can even be rewarded more than a director in a corporation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    Misbun is very passionate in what he is doing, in particular about LCW and his son. But sometimes his desire/wish may pose very serious potential problem for the country and national interest without even realizing it. Were he to get what he feels strongly about his son the impact it will have on 'the rule of law' re BAM and the morale on the other coaches (Hendrawan, etc) will have long lasting adverse consequences.
    Now that a minister is involved it is too late. Ministers get in the act for political reasons and BAM is under political pressure. Let us see if BAM has the guts to do the right thing.
    Make no mistake about what I think about Misbun. I think he is a great coach, extremely capable, dedicated, and passionately about his charges. But he is a loner, an eccentric best suited to an advisory role and never in a supervisory or managerial role.
    He is best in the role that the 'Thing' is to Lin Dan today, as mentor and coach. Advisors are specialists with no supervisory role and can even be rewarded more than a director in a corporation.
    he himself admitted managerial role is not for him accept on the court with the players,

    that what he wants in his life

    he likes to help people, players and even coaches because he loves badminton.

    he will share and he is not selfish
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    I prefer him to do both supervising and consulting. He loves action. When he supervise, he will whip up those guys. This will help to enhance the standard. No pain go gain. No easy meat for big bucks.

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    Thumbs up Chris@ccc will like this article

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    Berjayakah persatuan sukan mengurus era profesional?

    SECARA sepintas lalu hanya Datuk Lee Chong Wei dan Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong sahaja yang berjaya antara ramai pemain dalam stable BAM.
    Jurulatih mereka ialah Datuk Misbun Sidek dan Rexy Mainaky, walaupun BAM mempunyai ramai jurulatih lain.
    At a glance, only LCW, KKK/TBH are successful among the players in BAM stable. Their coaches are Misbun & Rexy although BAM has many other coaches.

    Kalau BAM mewujudkan KPI beberapa tahun lalu, sudah tentu dua jurulatih ini mencapai atau melebihi sasaran KPI yang ditetapkan.
    If BAM had started the KPI a few years ago, certainly the 2 coaches would have achieved the KPI or beyond


    Agak malang bagi Chong Wei dilahirkan sezaman dengan Lin Dan.
    Lin Dan merupakan pemain badminton yang cukup ampuh yang pernah ditemui setakat ini.
    Sekiranya Chong Wei bukan sezaman dengan Lin Dan, sudah tentu semua kejohanan dimonopolinya.
    It is unfortunate that LCW is born same era as LD. LD is a great player of all time, so far. If LCW is not same era as LD, he would have won more touranments.

    Pada pandangan saya, pada peringkat ini, siapa juga jurulatihnya, corak permainan Chong Wei tidak akan banyak dapat diubah kerana beliau sudah pun berumur 28 tahun.
    Chong Wei pun tahu hanya Misbun yang berjaya membawanya ke tahap sekarang dan beliau akan menghabiskan kerjayanya bersama jurulatih itu.
    At this point, whoever is LCW's coach, his playing style will not change but cos he is already 28 yo. LCW also knows only MIsbun successfully brought him to the stage he is now & he will finish the final years of his career with this coach.

    Selain corak permainan yang berbeza, ketangkasan Lin Dan amat menakjubkan.
    Beliau boleh menentukan sama ada mahu menang atau tidak. Sama ada ingin mengambil bahagian dalam pertandingan atau tidak.
    Lin Dan mampu berbuat demikian kerana semua mengaku bahawa beliau adalah jaguh badminton yang amat jarang ditemui.

    Other than different playing style, LD has incredible agility/fitness. He can dictate whether want to win or not(sound like some LD fans, lol). Whether want to take part in tournament or not.


    China pula menjamin masa depan atletnya. Inilah satu-satunya ciri yang dipunyai oleh model sukan bagi negara komunis atau sosialis.
    Dibandingkan dengan Chong Wei atau atlet negara yang lain, masa depan mereka tidak dijamin oleh kerajaan.
    Walaupun sebelum Sukan Asia di Doha 2006 telah dijanjikan satu skim jaminan masa depan atlet akan diwujudkan tetapi sampai sekarang kita masih belum mendengar cadangan mengenainya.
    China also guarantees their players future, the one aspect (different from democratic) that a commuist/socialist country has


    Oleh itu, atlet yang berjaya seperti Chong Wei akan cuba memaksimumkan pendapatannya semasa beliau masih lagi berupaya mencapai kemenangan.
    Jurulatihnya juga akan menumpang sama di atas kejayaan anak didiknya seperti yang berlaku dalam dunia sukan profesional.
    Selepas Chong Wei bersara seperti juga atlet lain, nasib mereka kurang dipedulikan kecuali bila sakit, Yayasan Kebajikan Atlet (YAKEB) akan membantu mengikut peraturan yang ada.
    Therefore, players like LCW will try to maximize income while he is still able. After LCW retires, their future is less taken care of (by government). Except when sick YAKEB will give assistance.


    Atlet negara kita khususnya yang berada dalam program elit MSN boleh dikatakan atlet profesional kerana mereka berlatih sepenuh masa dan dibayar gaji dan segala-galanya sebagai seorang atlet.
    Yang kurangnya ialah mereka diuruskan oleh persatuan atau MSN dalam menjalankan tugas sebagai seorang atlet untuk menyertai kejohanan atau pertandingan yang telah dijadualkan.
    Our players train full time & can be considered as prof. THey are managed by their association or NSC in terms of entry in tournaments, etc.

    Dalam keadaan yang amat berbeza dari masa dahulu, kemampuan persatuan atau organisasi lain yang turut mengendalikan atlet ini perlu berupaya menangani suasana yang berubah ini.
    Persatuan sukan yang diuruskan oleh wakil dari persatuan negeri kadang-kala tidak dapat berubah mengikut perubahan zaman.
    Ada antara wakil yang menjadi pembuat dasar ini tidak pun pernah melahirkan atlet-atlet yang bertaraf antarabangsa.
    Mereka membuat keputusan mengikut pengalaman mereka yang terhad. Tanpa terdedah dengan situasi yang baru ini kadang-kadang keputusan yang dibuat tidak secocok dengan perkembangan yang ada.
    Sports association who are governed by reps from state association sometimes do not change with the times. Some policy makers themselves have never produced international level players. They make decision according to their limited experience. Without exposure to new situations, sometimes decisions made are not in line with new developments (in sport)

    Sewajarnyalah BAM perlu melayan Misbun dan Chong Wei serta Rexy dan Kien Keat-Boon Heong berbeza daripada jurulatih dan pemain yang lain kerana mereka memberi kejayaan kepada BAM dan negara.
    Dalam keadaan ini, ternyata BAM atau sebahagian kecil pegawainya tidak dapat membezakan cara mengurus atlet atau jurulatih yang berjaya dengan yang tidak.
    By right, BAM should treat Misbun, LCW, Rexy, KK/TBH as different from other coaches & players because they have brought success to BAM & country. In this situation it's evident that BAM or certain officials cannot differentiate between managing successful players & non/not yet successful players.

    Ini adalah asas pengurusan manusia yang kadang kala terlepas pandang.
    KBS perlu menubuhkan unit kecil untuk menangani profesionalisme dalam sukan.
    Persatuan sukan tidak mempunyai kemampuan kerana mereka berkhidmat secara sukarela.
    Walaupun niat mereka baik tetapi cara mereka melaksanakan dasar kadang kala kurang tepat.
    This is basic HR management that sometimes is overlooked. Sports Ministry needs to set up a unit to manage professionalism in sports. Associations dont have the ability cos they are voluntary.

    Minta maaf kalau saya katakan kita boleh mencari presiden atau pegawai persatuan sukan dengan lebih mudah dibandingkan dengan urusan mencari atlet atau jurulatih yang berjaya yang amat jarang diperolehi.
    Chong Wei dan Kien Keat-Boon Heong merupakan atlet yang mempunyai bakat yang cemerlang yang amat jarang ditemui.
    My apologies for saying so but we can find a president or official easier than player or coach who are successful (hahahaha) LCW , KKK/TBH are talents that are rare to come by.

    Seperti juga Datuk Nicol David dan Azizulhasni Awang dan lain-lain atlet yang mempunyai bakat yang luar biasa dulu, sekarang dan pada masa akan datang.
    Oleh itu, usaha menyelesaikan kemelut Misbun dengan BAM perlu ditangani dengan segala kewarasan.
    Saya menyokong langkah Menteri Belia dan Sukan untuk menyelesaikan masalah ini dengan cara yang menguntungkan secepat mungkin supaya keadaan tidak berpanjangan.
    As with Nicol David, Azzizul Hasni,etc, & future althetes. So, the effort to solve the BAM-Msibun issue needs to be handled carefully.I support the Sports Minister's effort to solve it in win-win situation as quick as possible


    http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info...n&pg=su_04.htm


    Chris@ccc will like this article. Seems the reporter also read BC. Sorry for all the typo.

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    I am happy that the reporter has an open mind.

    To me BAM is to promote Badminton in Malaysia. In other words, BAM is to do whatever they can to make Badminton popular in Malaysia.

    To allow patriotic LCW to go independent is a good thing. He can earn much more money on his own now (now that he is world famous). Patriotic? Yes, LCW said he will represent Malaysia even after he leaves BAM (Very similar to what Taufik Hidayat is doing in Indonesia)

    But as I have said in my previous posts, LCW has to be thankful to BAM for getting him arriving at his current situation.

    BAM shouldn't tie him down; LCW should be set free as a player who can now look after himself (as compared to my post about good university students not to be tied down by university after graduation).
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    Arrow LCW has complained about BAM before

    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    I may be wrong but I have a feeling LCW is trying to "influence" BAM to meet Misbun's demands. Why is LCW so demonstrably firm in building a brick wall around Misbun and "imposing" conditions that amounts to a challenge to BAM's authority? If BAM were to cave in it could mean its collapse as other coaches will start to question "why Misbun, not us?" and will bring BAM into disrepute for being double standard favouring Prima Donas at the expense of the national interest.
    I feel the best solution is to bite the bullet and let Misbun and LCW if he so chooses go.
    BTW, why is LCW giving people the impression that he is still incapable of being No. 1 without Misbun? Now what happens to LCW should Misbun be not be around? Isn't he a man onto to himself who cannot function without his mentor?
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    LCW is a not a demanding person. I don't think that he is trying to "influence" BAM to meet Misbun's demands.

    In fact, LCW has complained about BAM before. He said something like this - BAM is only happy when I win; But when I failed to win, they do not appreciate how much effort I have put in to try to win for Malaysia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by extremenanopowe View Post
    I prefer him to do both supervising and consulting. He loves action. When he supervise, he will whip up those guys. This will help to enhance the standard. No pain go gain. No easy meat for big bucks.
    yes, if he is at the back supervising ... whoever in the court die die ...

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    Thumbs up Let BAM concentrate more on newer recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    "By right , BAM should treat Misbun, LCW, Rexy , KK / TBH as different from other coaches & players because they have brought success to BAM & country. In this situation it ' s evident that BAM or certain officials cannot differentiate between managing successful players & non /not yet successful players ."

    probably this is "comment of the week"
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    I agree with what the reporter has said.

    If coaches and players have arrived at such a high level, BAM will not be required to manage them anymore.

    Let BAM concentrate more on newer recruits; those needing more support/program for them to improve their skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    Please, what exactly is your point?
    I am sorry, tan. I think I did not word my previous post properly as I was not my usual self. Thank you for not over-reacting over my seeming rude post.

    My point is, those people from the management do not have the leadership to lead the organization and they said things at the wrong time. It has been mentioned a few times before that Ramdan's case wasn't the issue that caused Misbun to walk out. If this was the case, Ramdan would not have return and train under Hendrawan.

    It sounds like a lot of committee members do not want Misbun to stay. Looks like LCW and Misbun departure from BAM is inevitable. Unless the sport minister can prove me wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lcleing View Post
    I think this is accurate in describing this gentleman who obviously did not help the situation by voicing his opinions.


    http://sports.sinchew-i.com/node/16215?tid=3

    No idea how to translate his name: Zhang Ting Zhu?

    title : If Misbun resigned because of his son, he is not prioritizing national interest


    Not wonder is so tiring working with this bunch of people. Just after the public have said that the Ramdam's issue is not the cause of his resignation. The Zhang Ting Zhu was trying to stir things up again by putting all the blame on Misbun. The act of exagerating the reason behind Misbun's resignation to divert public's attention is akin to an underbelt attack in martial art, freaking dirty. Now I can see why Misbun is not happy with this bunch of people. And the highlight of the year should go to this guy: If you won a championship in B level state competition then you are considered knowledgable in competitive badminton? Wow, I guess I will submit my application as an elite coach to BAM, maybe I have a chance if it was this Zhang Ting Zhu who interviewed me. LOLs.
    It's the same article in malay, the BAM exco or Treasurer, already posted either in this thread or Misbun quit thread.. Then, another one also said Let Misbun go, blah blah. At least 3 committee members in total, including the Vice President.

    Well, the Utusan reporter did take a shot at 'these people',lol.
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    as usual, some media just play suck up to boss, boss and higher bosses... Can't trust what you read on local papers.

    so the question is who's work or effort is tougher? Waking up early everyday, training and getting the players to win or just manage an organisation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by extremenanopowe View Post
    as usual, some media just play suck up to boss, boss and higher bosses... Can't trust what you read on local papers.

    so the question is who's work or effort is tougher? Waking up early everyday, training and getting the players to win or just manage an organisation?
    Do they even manage the organization properly? I guess that answer is the key to Misbun's resignation.

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    agreed. A good leader leads. Not manage. Walk the talk.

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    Arrow Those people from the management do not have the leadership to lead the organization

    Quote Originally Posted by lcleing View Post
    My point is, those people from the management do not have the leadership to lead the organization and they said things at the wrong time. It has been mentioned a few times before that Ramdan's case wasn't the issue that caused Misbun to walk out. If this was the case, Ramdan would not have return and train under Hendrawan.

    It sounds like a lot of committee members do not want Misbun to stay. Looks like LCW and Misbun departure from BAM is inevitable. Unless the sport minister can prove me wrong.
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    It has been mentioned many times before that what Misbun Sidek and Lee Chong Wei have done for Malaysia wasn't fully appreciated by BAM. Appreciation was only given when LCW won a title/medal.

    When this resignation of Misbun and the win of Lee Chong Wei at the 2010 SSMF happened at the same time, I wonder if Misbun received any credit from BAM for LCW's good performance.

    LCW has given appreciation to Misbun (as reported earlier when he mentioned that Misbun was in touch with him via phone throughout the whole tournament).
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    "By right , BAM should treat Misbun, LCW, Rexy , KK / TBH as different from other coaches & players because they have brought success to BAM & country. In this situation it ' s evident that BAM or certain officials cannot differentiate between managing successful players & non /not yet successful players ."

    Agreed with this also...

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