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    Thumbs up Allow our private enterprises/companies/individuals to contribute to Badminton

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    I think it is a bit far-fetched to say that BAM wants to have sole control of Malaysian badminton. It has no legal power to do this. There are perhaps a few hundred thousand badminton players in badminton who have no business with BAM and they go and play their own way.
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    Good then.

    Allow our private enterprises/companies/individuals to contribute to Badminton, rather than just depending on National Associations to promote Badminton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    I think it is a bit far-fetched to say that BAM wants to have sole control of Malaysian badminton. It has no legal power to do this. There are perhaps a few hundred thousand badminton players in badminton who have no business with BAM and they go and play their own way.
    if only... if only...

    if they are not monopolizing MAS badminton, then how come put restriction to one player who opt out and left him with no choice but to surrender back... they may not have it legal or not (I don't really know) but they sure got some power to do so... if not, how come some without badminton experience can be there and with what purpose, I have no idea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Good then.

    Allow our private enterprises/companies/individuals to contribute to Badminton, rather than just depending on National Associations to promote Badminton.
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    Any success stories in Msia badminton history for independent players?

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    Arrow Any success stories in Msia badminton history for independent players?

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    Any success stories in Msia badminton history for independent players?
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    Not as yet.

    What I have been saying is it is not only for Malaysian Badminton. It's for our worldwide Badminton that we need players and coaches to go independent.

    Just compare with our other sports such as; Football, Basketball, Tennis, Golf, Cycling, etc, etc......

    Looking at Badminton and Table Tennis, it is still our National Associations that are required to control/manage these sports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Not as yet.

    What I have been saying is it is not only for Malaysian Badminton. It's for our worldwide Badminton that we need players and coaches to go independent.

    Just compare with our other sports such as; Football, Basketball, Tennis, Golf, Cycling, etc, etc......

    Looking at Badminton and Table Tennis, it is still our National Associations that are required to control/manage these sports.
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    It's not quite possible and feasible till the day we see the prize money increases tremendously to lets say min USD$250,000 for the champion. It will be a good start and I think it's not quite possible in the near term.

    Can't compare with Tennis and Golf coz the winning prize is in the range of USD$750,000 to USD$1mil+. Right now the most lucrative SS tourney is Korea SS, and if I'm not mistaken, the MS title is worth USD$40,000 (pls correct if I'm wrong with the figure).

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    Arrow It's not quite possible and feasible till the day we see the prize money increases

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    It's not quite possible and feasible till the day we see the prize money increases tremendously to lets say min USD$250,000 for the champion. It will be a good start and I think it's not quite possible in the near term.

    Can't compare with Tennis and Golf coz the winning prize is in the range of USD$750,000 to USD$1mil+. Right now the most lucrative SS tourney is Korea SS, and if I'm not mistaken, the MS title is worth USD$40,000 (pls correct if I'm wrong with the figure).
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    We have to start it one day.

    When our Australian greatest Tennis player, Rod Laver, left our Australian Tennis Association to become a professional player back in the 1969, he was excluded from the Grand Slams for a five-year period.

    Now, many professional Tennis players worldwide are thankful that Rod Laver who moved away from National Association to become an independent player.

    Rod Laver is widely regarded as one of the greatest tennis players of all time.
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    I think we are quite close to professional level. Remember, sponsors are also chipping in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    It's not quite possible and feasible till the day we see the prize money increases tremendously to lets say min USD$250,000 for the champion. It will be a good start and I think it's not quite possible in the near term.

    Can't compare with Tennis and Golf coz the winning prize is in the range of USD$750,000 to USD$1mil+. Right now the most lucrative SS tourney is Korea SS, and if I'm not mistaken, the MS title is worth USD$40,000 (pls correct if I'm wrong with the figure).
    The champion for MS & WS gets USD90,000.00, Runners-up USD45,600.00 and Semifinalist USD34,800.00.
    MD,WD & XD chanpion gets USD94,800.00, Runners-up USD45,600.00 and Semifinalist USD33,600.00.
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    http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=26451

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    Arrow The champion for MS & WS gets USD90,000

    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    The champion for MS & WS gets USD90,000.00, Runners-up USD45,600.00 and Semifinalist USD34,800.00.
    MD,WD & XD chanpion gets USD94,800.00, Runners-up USD45,600.00 and Semifinalist USD33,600.00.
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    http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=26451
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    But what jimbo has said is true.

    Currently, at an international horse racing event, a horse winning it (lasting about 2 minutes long) can earn 100 times more than a Badminton player winning an event lasting over 1 week.

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    from NST

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    Coach : Meet conditions and we will talk


    NATIONAL singles coach Misbun Sidek is willing to have a meeting with BA of Malaysia ( BAM) president Datuk Nadzmi Salleh but only if his conditions are met by the association .

    Nadzmi , after chairing the BAM executive council ( Exco ) meeting yesterday , has asked Misbun to reconsider his decision to resign as the national singles coach and as expected , the latter has laid down his conditions.

    Misbun wants a reply to his letter, which the coach says was sent after he announced his resignation through an e - mail to BAM general manager Kenny Goh on Dec 31 , from the association before he meets with Nadzmi .

    " I am ready to meet them but BAM must reply to the letter I have sent them, " said Misbun yesterday .

    " What I ' m asking is for ( Lee ) Chong Wei and for the nation. I will quit badminton if BAM refuses to meet my conditions. "

    BAM has already announced that it is likely to carry on with the new training structure which Misbun was unhappy about and laying down conditions before having a meeting with Nadzmi will only make matters worse .

    Nadzmi also didn 't comment on whether Misbun will be allowed to coach his son Misbun Ramdan again after the BAM coaching and training committee had put the 19 - year - old under back- up coach Hendrawan .

    Several members of the coaching and training committee are frustrated with BAM taking such a soft stand against Misbun and they themselves are likely to resign if he is reinstated as coach .

    Misbun is a strong character and may not reconsider his decision to quit if his demands are not met by BAM .

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    But what jimbo has said is true.

    Currently, at an international horse racing event, a horse winning it (lasting about 2 minutes long) can earn 100 times more than a Badminton player winning an event lasting over 1 week.

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    SIR Chris, you are comparing badminton to tennis to horsey to everything else...the difference is badminton is an Asian dominated sport that needs govt (aka tax-payers) to fund everything. LCW at this point in his career, of course can go pro anytime, he has already made his millions, perhaps the richest badminton player other than LD and TH, and there is only 1.5 yrs left before OLY12.
    To go pro and independent like tennis players mean zero govt (tax payers) handouts, players pay all expenses themselves and proceeds come from success on the courts (very risky), there is no way any baddy player can survive independent unless they have a rich daddy to bankroll it. They need tax payers $$$ badly.
    Unless, you want MAS govt (tax payers) to keep funding all players' training expenses including flight, accomodation, massage, psychologist, etc and payout SS win bonuses, pay bonus for WR1,etc. etc. and at the same time, the players are free to go 'independent', call teh shots, that is eat both sides of the cake.
    You mention many private enterprises, etc are ready to sponsor badminton....well, there is no such thing as a benevolent society, companies don't shell out $$$ if there is no return....try to explain to shareholders of the company and that would be fun. The amount of $$$ we are talking about to run BAM operation, how many companies can keep supporting that not just one year but thereafter year after year?
    MO11 and KO11 with record purses, if it is not funded by their govt, is Victor or YY funding the whole thing. I like to see how many rackets they need to sell to pay this of especially, if you checked the other threads, the malaysian public including me, are so darn cheap to not pay RM600 for a racket.
    Pro tennis pay out huge winnings because of TV $$$ and in turn commercials pay the TV stations millions per the minute, costly ticket prices and still full house (compare to empty stadiums for badminton even with cheap ticket prices and hosted by a baddy power nation e.g. SSF in MAS.
    Horsey thingie, just ask the gamblers how much $$$ they pay to replace the grass turfs and stories of people going broke, and you will know where the $$$ is coming from to payout those prices.
    As long as badminton does not attract European or North American or even your comrades in Aussieland, it can stay as an Asian sport.

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    Arrow I was hoping that Misbun will go on his own and still be involved in Badminton

    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
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    2011 / 01 /13
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    Coach : Meet conditions and we will talk


    NATIONAL singles coach Misbun Sidek is willing to have a meeting with BA of Malaysia ( BAM) president Datuk Nadzmi Salleh but only if his conditions are met by the association .

    Nadzmi , after chairing the BAM executive council ( Exco ) meeting yesterday , has asked Misbun to reconsider his decision to resign as the national singles coach and as expected , the latter has laid down his conditions.

    Misbun wants a reply to his letter, which the coach says was sent after he announced his resignation through an e - mail to BAM general manager Kenny Goh on Dec 31 , from the association before he meets with Nadzmi .

    " I am ready to meet them but BAM must reply to the letter I have sent them, " said Misbun yesterday .

    " What I ' m asking is for ( Lee ) Chong Wei and for the nation. I will quit badminton if BAM refuses to meet my conditions. "

    BAM has already announced that it is likely to carry on with the new training structure which Misbun was unhappy about and laying down conditions before having a meeting with Nadzmi will only make matters worse .

    Nadzmi also didn 't comment on whether Misbun will be allowed to coach his son Misbun Ramdan again after the BAM coaching and training committee had put the 19 - year - old under back- up coach Hendrawan .

    Several members of the coaching and training committee are frustrated with BAM taking such a soft stand against Misbun and they themselves are likely to resign if he is reinstated as coach .

    Misbun is a strong character and may not reconsider his decision to quit if his demands are not met by BAM .

    ............................................... ..................................................
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    Misbun said: "What I'm asking is for (Lee) Chong Wei and for the nation. I will quit badminton if BAM refuses to meet my conditions."

    And with several members of the coaching and training committee being frustrated with BAM taking such a soft stand against Misbun and they themselves are likely to resign if he is reinstated as coach.

    It is sad that it has become like this. Really sad.

    I was hoping that Misbun will go on his own and still be involved in Badminton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Misbun said: "What I'm asking is for (Lee) Chong Wei and for the nation. I will quit badminton if BAM refuses to meet my conditions."

    And with several members of the coaching and training committee being frustrated with BAM taking such a soft stand against Misbun and they themselves are likely to resign if he is reinstated as coach.

    It is sad that it has become like this. Really sad.

    I was hoping that Misbun will go on his own and still be involved in Badminton.
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    MS reportedly makes RM20K per month (RM240K annual). Unless there is $$$ flowing to MS going independent that we do not know, even with LCW joining him, LCW has to gross RM1M and give 25% to MS to make the same income. Unfortunately, no freebie in this world, $$$ talks.
    Also, LCW has maybe 1.5 years left and that is all MS has. Is MS has staff to assist him, that add to his cost. Otherwise, MS has to manage contracts, coaching, his wife's health, etc, etc, while in BAM, all this tedious work are taken care of and MS can concentrate on coaching and coaching basically one player for one mission OLY12. It is a whole different world out there to be in business on your own.

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    Thumbs up If Kung Fu movies can become worldwide popular, I hope that Badminton can follow suit

    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    SIR Chris, you are comparing badminton to tennis to horsey to everything else...the difference is badminton is an Asian dominated sport that needs govt (aka tax-payers) to fund everything. LCW at this point in his career, of course can go pro anytime, he has already made his millions, perhaps the richest badminton player other than LD and TH, and there is only 1.5 yrs left before OLY12.
    To go pro and independent like tennis players mean zero govt (tax payers) handouts, players pay all expenses themselves and proceeds come from success on the courts (very risky), there is no way any baddy player can survive independent unless they have a rich daddy to bankroll it. They need tax payers $$$ badly.
    Unless, you want MAS govt (tax payers) to keep funding all players' training expenses including flight, accomodation, massage, psychologist, etc and payout SS win bonuses, pay bonus for WR1,etc. etc. and at the same time, the players are free to go 'independent', call teh shots, that is eat both sides of the cake.
    You mention many private enterprises, etc are ready to sponsor badminton....well, there is no such thing as a benevolent society, companies don't shell out $$$ if there is no return....try to explain to shareholders of the company and that would be fun. The amount of $$$ we are talking about to run BAM operation, how many companies can keep supporting that not just one year but thereafter year after year?
    MO11 and KO11 with record purses, if it is not funded by their govt, is Victor or YY funding the whole thing. I like to see how many rackets they need to sell to pay this of especially, if you checked the other threads, the malaysian public including me, are so darn cheap to not pay RM600 for a racket.
    Pro tennis pay out huge winnings because of TV $$$ and in turn commercials pay the TV stations millions per the minute, costly ticket prices and still full house (compare to empty stadiums for badminton even with cheap ticket prices and hosted by a baddy power nation e.g. SSF in MAS.
    Horsey thingie, just ask the gamblers how much $$$ they pay to replace the grass turfs and stories of people going broke, and you will know where the $$$ is coming from to payout those prices.
    As long as badminton does not attract European or North American or even your comrades in Aussieland, it can stay as an Asian sport.
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    If Badminton is an Asian sport, then I hope that BWF can change the course of where/how Badminton can be heading.

    "To go pro and independent like tennis players mean zero govt (tax payers) handouts, players pay all expenses themselves and proceeds come from success on the courts (very risky)...". As you have explained, I see why fewer Asians play Tennis professionally. One Asian who have done well in Tennis is Li Na (from China);

    http://www.itftennis.com/womens/play...layer=20010231

    I have not mentioned that many private enterprises are ready to sponsor Badminton.... but wish that BWF can copy/follow how well Tennis have become as an entertainment to spectators, by getting more sponsors.

    You are right to say that there is no such thing as a benevolent society, that companies don't shell out money if there is no return. I was hoping that it would for companies other than Badminton equipment makers to get involved. Perhaps energy and sports drinks company can become involved.

    "Pro tennis pay out huge winnings because of TV $$$ and in turn commercials pay the TV stations millions per the minute, costly ticket prices and still full house (compare to empty stadiums for badminton even with cheap ticket prices and hosted by a baddy power nation e.g. SSF in MAS."

    Yes, so far it has been not so good at our SSF tournaments. Hope that things could be improved in the future.

    I admit that I am not in the Asian culture of things. But, if Kung Fu movies (from early Hong Kong) can become worldwide popular, I hope that Badminton can follow suit.
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    Arrow I can't see what Misbun will do, since he has been involved in Badminton all his life

    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    MS reportedly makes RM20K per month (RM240K annual). Unless there is $$$ flowing to MS going independent that we do not know, even with LCW joining him, LCW has to gross RM1M and give 25% to MS to make the same income. Unfortunately, no freebie in this world, $$$ talks.
    Also, LCW has maybe 1.5 years left and that is all MS has. Is MS has staff to assist him, that add to his cost. Otherwise, MS has to manage contracts, coaching, his wife's health, etc, etc, while in BAM, all this tedious work are taken care of and MS can concentrate on coaching and coaching basically one player for one mission OLY12. It is a whole different world out there to be in business on your own.
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    I can't see what Misbun will do, since he has been involved in Badminton all his life, since his VI school days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    If Badminton is an Asian sport, then I hope that BWF can change the course of where/how Badminton can be heading.

    "To go pro and independent like tennis players mean zero govt (tax payers) handouts, badminton players pay all expenses themselves and proceeds come from success on the courts (very risky)...". As you have explained, I see why fewer Asians play Tennis professionally. One Asian who have done well in Tennis is Li Na (from China);

    http://www.itftennis.com/womens/play...layer=20010231

    I have not mentioned that many private enterprises are ready to sponsor Badminton.... but wish that BWF can copy/follow how well Tennis have become as an entertainment to spectators, by getting more sponsors.

    You are right to say that there is no such thing as a benevolent society, that companies don't shell out money if there is no return. I was hoping that it would for companies other than Badminton equipment makers to get involved. Perhaps energy and sports drinks company can become involved.

    "Pro tennis pay out huge winnings because of TV $$$ and in turn commercials pay the TV stations millions per the minute, costly ticket prices and still full house (compare to empty stadiums for badminton even with cheap ticket prices and hosted by a baddy power nation e.g. SSF in MAS."

    Yes, so far it has been not so good at our SSF tournaments. Hope that things could be improved in the future.

    I admit that I am not in the Asian culture of things. But, if Kung Fu movies (from early Hong Kong) can become worldwide popular, I hope that Badminton can follow suit.
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    Well then, Chris, we all can have 'HOPE', fair enough...baddy is a great sport to watch and play, then again we are bias anyway. BTW, there is a minor correction in red above, which I meant badminton players, not tennis players.
    The big paycheck in tennis is because of live broadcast in N America, usually in the weekends and at prime time. I be honest that I do not like the game, I watch only the pretty chicks play, as for the guys play, I have something better to do.
    Badminton will never capture the public fantasy here. Like it or not, Americans and Europeans do not like to be smacked around crazy by a bunch of Asians, so baddy will remain an Asian sport, deprieved of the mega TV deals and advertisement $$$.
    If Badminton today with LD, LCW, TH and PG could not make this game shine, wait till they disappear and baddy will go nowhere, maybe only in Asia. Now, you bring in kung fu fighting, oh dear......

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    I can't see what Misbun will do, since he has been involved in Badminton all his life, since his VI school days.
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    He was in several businesses after his playing days, including car dealerships.

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