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    Quote Originally Posted by Elisha View Post
    Only KSH & LYD are using it so let's stop blowing things out of proportion.
    I think you'll find that a lot of Korean nationals used it previously and a few still do other than LYD/KSH. It's not just Koreans, I do remember seeing a few other Asian country pros using it too. You have to bear in mind this is a relatively old racquet now so some may have moved on to other racquets/brands.

    Anyway, which professional player endorses it is beside the point. The discussion we are having here is to do with stiffness/QC of the BS12 and what characteristics a typical professional would require/desire from a racquet.

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    May be I will put in my 2 cents since I do own more that a few BS12; in fact 7 in total and a few other Victor racquets 5 pieces of BS9. I could attest that Victor's QC is certainly different that Yonex. Take the BS9s as example, all 5 piece I have (had) are 3Us, there is one feels like a baseball bat and is sitting right at the edge of 90g dry, and there is one like a mini AT700 1st gen, soft and head heavy, hammers well, a couple of them just sits in between, 87g +/- and even balance with a bit of head heaviest. Among the 7 BS12, 1 of them is noticeably stiffer that the others, happens to be the go to racquet of my daughter. 1 of them is super soft and you could feel it bending even picking up birds from the court.

    I can't comment on if the KRP racquets are a totally different racquet, but the Victor racquets QC does has a big range, or at least for the older models.

    *for the record, I was a Ti10 3rd gen user for quite sometime, and my Ti10s are incredibly consistence in spec. I had move on to use BS12 a few months back in favor of less shoulder pain. The BS12 post a different game approach and it is very effective, very fast; but it does give up some crashing power, instead it gains angle and speed.

    Is this racquet for everyone, absolutely not; but for players value speed and placement over power, you owe yourself a favor if you haven't try it.

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    ^ Did you get them local or overseas? My intuition is that CD coded may have less variance...than say TW or SG?

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    All my BS9 and BS12 are CA coded. Some of them even from same production batch. Of course 1 of the 7 BS12 is the one I traded with you, now I have 3 and my daughter has 3. If you still have the BS12, I would have bought it back from you. lol

    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    ^ Did you get them local or overseas? My intuition is that CD coded may have less variance...than say TW or SG?

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    the weight is the same with thruster K ?? o.0...

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    Quote Originally Posted by melforge View Post
    the weight is the same with thruster K ?? o.0...
    Overall weight?
    Should be similar. Wet weight on both my Thrusters and one BS12N was 98g. Strung and overgrip.

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    I get a batch of MX80 (5 X 3U) directly Victor Germany. All were DEF 8182XXX Coded and the QC is so bad. From 84 g to 88 g (dry) and a balancepoint between 307mm and 300mm.

    I personally think it's an urban legend like in the past which says that YY sponsored players are using a repainted version of an other model insteed of their "own" rackets.
    I don't think that it matters much for a pro to use a special BP and stiffness. Especially if it's only a slightly difference. If you followed the carrier of any pro you will notice sometimes a more or less strange change.
    E.g. Jung Jae Sung used BS09, BS10, BS 12, SW37, SW35, MX80 and MXJJS. And I don't noticed any big changes if he used a different racket. Maybe it's just an off day or an injury if he smashed a bit less powerful or defend not so well or made a bit more mistakes.

    Sometimes I think here are alot people who thinks that the choice of racket makes a bigger difference than possible. Like sometimes I read "Yeah, using my N90 last session and I smashed so pretty harder than with my crappy MP 29." I think if you play at an advanced level, using the proper technique, the fact that the racket effect your abilities will getting smaller and smaller.

    So why should Korean Pro's promoted the BS12, when they can use a BS15 , which is stiffer and more head heavy and will match their liking better?

    The production of any goods is expensive and I don't think that any racket brand change the specs for a small amount of players and produce around 300 pieces of a 'special' BS12 which fits the players better. The players can choose of a amount of rackets and if they like it a bit stiffer and more head heavy why the heck shouldn't choose the BS 15 or BS 11?

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    JJS used the Bs09, SW35, SW37, MX80, MXJJS...and never held a Bs12
    Of course the racket will only affect your abilities to a certain extent, but at the level these guys are at, you're looking to optimize every aspect of your game. Otoh most of these guys just play with a racket that feels right and don't overthink as some ppl on here tend to do

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    I agree. Just play with the racket that feels right to you. If you listen to half the stuff people here say, we would all be playing with a MX80 or something stiffer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    JJS used the Bs09, SW35, SW37, MX80, MXJJS...and never held a Bs12
    Of course the racket will only affect your abilities to a certain extent, but at the level these guys are at, you're looking to optimize every aspect of your game. Otoh most of these guys just play with a racket that feels right and don't overthink as some ppl on here tend to do
    You are right dude! Shame on me. But where is the BS 10? I'm pretty sure that he used it for a while.

    I agree. Playing with a racket that feels right is a good point. But I didn't noticed that Peter Gade's smash is now faster because he switches from Arc 10 to VT80 and his defence is slightly worse than before.

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    Personally, I never saw him use it - although the first match of him using Victor I saw was the 2009 WC Final, where he used 1 Bs09 and after those strings broke SW35 as far as I could see. Don't remember him using the Bs10, must've been for a short time, I guess...just like LYD played the SW35 for a tournament, for example

    Regarding the racket issue - we have no statistic for that. Maybe PG did in fact smash 5-10% harder on average, but the big difference is how it felt to him. Smashing with a lighter racket can be more taxing as you need a faster swing, and maybe he felt attacking was easier for him with the VT80....that can make a big difference imop. Not that I'm saying he had any other reason to change than Yonex politely asking to please promote a newer racket and offering something in return

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedski View Post
    May be I will put in my 2 cents since I do own more that a few BS12; in fact 7 in total and a few other Victor racquets 5 pieces of BS9. I could attest that Victor's QC is certainly different that Yonex. Take the BS9s as example, all 5 piece I have (had) are 3Us, there is one feels like a baseball bat and is sitting right at the edge of 90g dry, and there is one like a mini AT700 1st gen, soft and head heavy, hammers well, a couple of them just sits in between, 87g +/- and even balance with a bit of head heaviest. Among the 7 BS12, 1 of them is noticeably stiffer that the others, happens to be the go to racquet of my daughter. 1 of them is super soft and you could feel it bending even picking up birds from the court.

    I can't comment on if the KRP racquets are a totally different racquet, but the Victor racquets QC does has a big range, or at least for the older models.

    *for the record, I was a Ti10 3rd gen user for quite sometime, and my Ti10s are incredibly consistence in spec. I had move on to use BS12 a few months back in favor of less shoulder pain. The BS12 post a different game approach and it is very effective, very fast; but it does give up some crashing power, instead it gains angle and speed.

    Is this racquet for everyone, absolutely not; but for players value speed and placement over power, you owe yourself a favor if you haven't try it.

    I thought it was just me at first, but i agree with you. I at one point had 5 MX80s too. Unfortunately, some are MY codes, some are Hks, and the stiffness varies. got frustrated and sold em all. now, i get my stuff solely from eric to eliminate diff codes for diff stiffness, but of the 3 BS12N's that are TW coded, 1 of them is different, slightly more flex and softness to gameplay, despite them all being in the same production line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    JJS used the Bs09, SW35, SW37, MX80, MXJJS...and never held a Bs12
    Take a look closer, dude!

    http://pds.joinsmsn.com/jmnet/koreaj...4/18213915.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by ucantseeme View Post
    lol. technicality!
    JJS is HOLDING the BS-12 indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucantseeme View Post
    LOL, good find! It's amazing where you guys find these photos.

    I think what j4ckie meant was JJS never actually used a BS12 in anger.

    Would have thought it'd be too soft for him.

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    What I meant was that he never actually used one in public
    Looks like they stole those from Sung Ji Hyun - look at the grips

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    JJS used BS10 around the time he used SW35. This is before MX80 days.
    The problem with Victor over the years as I understand it is that they manufactured in different factories and different countries. This has now settled down and therefore there should be consistency in the manufacture.
    Let's also remember that every manufacturer works within tolerances. I have no idea why but that's why a 3U coded racket is around 85-89g and 4U 80-84g. This means there could be as little as 1g to 9g difference between the two rackets.
    I have VT80's at the moment and they are not identical, but close. In other words within tolerance.
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