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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    Maybe some of my work experiences in the Asia Pacific can be an eye-opener for some of you. I was working in the Asia Pacific regional HQ of a multinational company many moons ago. One of the most interesting things I came across was how different countries in this region appraise their own capability. Most SE Asian and the the Indian sub-continent countries managers tend to over-rate their ability and always bitch about their ability and work not being highly appreciated. Their common complaint was being underpaid and not being promoted to more senior positions they claim they are qualified to hold. The Japanese tend to under-rate themselves. I was astounded when some high performing Japanese staff worried to death about not being able to live up to the trust they were given when promoted. This is cultural and is very real.
    You will not find any Japanese input on this thread. There will be many from others. Now who can say the Japanese are less good?
    This syndrome of delusion and mirage I think is called "Hype" in England.

    In some places I think they prefer the word "boleh" or "can do" or positive thinking.

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    I would shut down the training centre.

    All training to be outsourced to private clubs and universities etc across the country. Each centre must meet certain specific manpower criteria and infrastructural requirements. Each centre must guarantee training of a certain minimum number of players of a certain grade. Payment on a sliding scale of performance. All players must agree to be available for any number of physical tests and progress evaluation on random occasions with 24 hours notice. Any player failing stringent quality levels for these tests will be thrown out. No exceptions.

    The centres will be permitted to display a certificate that certifies the centre as a training centre for BAM. If there is no appreciable (quantifiable) result from any one outsourcing recipient, publish a notice and remove them from the approved list of outsourced training centres for 1 year. The certificate is to be immediately removed.

    In short for everyone: a sink-or-swim approach.

    BAM would then function almost mostly as an administrative centre and clearing house.

    This may also be the first step tpwards a CBSL-type setup in Malaysia, if it is planned correctly, because it will provide the impetus for corporate/private enterprise to actively contribute and gain from the sport.

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    Arrow I would ask the CTC members......

    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    So post your comments but at least be a bit practical :

    1) If I were given the running of The BAM tomorrow, I will do nothing.

    But I will ask them to state clearly their goals (as a whole,TCC, coaches etc.) for
    the next 2 years.
    After 2 years if they do not achieve their goals I will change the whole team and
    set-up and also fire myself .
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    If I were given the running of The BAM, I would ask the CTC members;

    What makes you so certain that your 'new' structure/system will work?

    Let them explain to me what have current coaches done wrong lately.
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    Please have a reality check and stop day dreaming. Not in your wildest dream will you be asked to run BAM or any national badminton federation.

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    Thumbs up Let us have a bit of imaginative discussion, although it's real

    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    Please have a reality check and stop day dreaming. Not in your wildest dream will you be asked to run BAM or any national badminton federation.
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    Oh please taneepak,

    Can't you understand what Bbn means when it is said:
    "If I were given the running of The BAM tomorrow".

    Let us have a bit of some imaginative discussion, although it's not real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    Please have a reality check and stop day dreaming. Not in your wildest dream will you be asked to run BAM or any national badminton federation.
    That's true. You need to have a certain amount of rubber in your constitution to be eligible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    I would shut down the training centre.

    All training to be outsourced to private clubs and universities etc across the country. Each centre must meet certain specific manpower criteria and infrastructural requirements. Each centre must guarantee training of a certain minimum number of players of a certain grade. Payment on a sliding scale of performance. All players must agree to be available for any number of physical tests and progress evaluation on random occasions with 24 hours notice. Any player failing stringent quality levels for these tests will be thrown out. No exceptions.

    The centres will be permitted to display a certificate that certifies the centre as a training centre for BAM. If there is no appreciable (quantifiable) result from any one outsourcing recipient, publish a notice and remove them from the approved list of outsourced training centres for 1 year. The certificate is to be immediately removed.

    In short for everyone: a sink-or-swim approach.

    BAM would then function almost mostly as an administrative centre and clearing house.

    This may also be the first step tpwards a CBSL-type setup in Malaysia, if it is planned correctly, because it will provide the impetus for corporate/private enterprise to actively contribute and gain from the sport.
    Great theory but surely will not work here in the near future as there is so little money in badminton.

    I think most people now,here would choose to remain in the security and comfort of a government run association.

    Has it been done before? Other sports?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Oh please taneepak,

    Can't you understand what Bbn means when it is said:
    "If I were given the running of The BAM tomorrow".

    Let us have a bit of some imaginative discussion, although it's not real.
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    No harm anyone saying their piece as it is merely HYPOTHETICAL.

    The real test is whether proposals consider the big picture and not a narrow view.

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    Thumbs up Checking if BCers are thinking inside or outside the box

    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    No harm anyone saying their piece as it is merely HYPOTHETICAL.

    The real test is whether proposals consider the big picture and not a narrow view.
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    It is also checking if our BCers are thinking inside or outside the box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    Great theory but surely will not work here in the near future as there is so little money in badminton.

    I think most people now,here would choose to remain in the security and comfort of a government run association.

    Has it been done before? Other sports?
    Any sport that has transcended its comfort zone in any country or continent, has only done so with active participation of the private sector. What are the leagues all about, whether in football, basketball, baseball, cricket and so on.

    private enterprise will find a way of making the sport more profitable, popular and more relevant to the times we live in, as well.

    The hard part is the act of relinquishing authority and control. All those bureaucrats and politicians will not do it easily. Granted there may be a brief period of transitory chaos, but if all the diligence has been done, it will have an astoundingly good effect on the health of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    No harm anyone saying their piece as it is merely HYPOTHETICAL.

    The real test is whether proposals consider the big picture and not a narrow view.
    Wasn't aware that this was supposed to be a test of our abilities!!!!
    Maybe I should pass (as in "let go")...

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    Thumbs up Private enterprise will find a way of making the sport more profitable, popular, ....

    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    private enterprise will find a way of making the sport more profitable, popular and more relevant to the times we live in, as well.
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    Well, while National Associations are investing for their "National Interest", private enterprises are doing it for their "Return of Investment".

    IMHO, like other sports such as; Tennis, Soccer, Golf, etc......, private enterprises shall do better.

    Why? It's because it's for the entertainment for spectators worldwide, not just for one particular nation.
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    yes you're right, the sponsors gonna invest in our sport in the coming future, because there's a business potential

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Wasn't aware that this was supposed to be a test of our abilities!!!!
    Maybe I should pass (as in "let go")...
    Yes,test is not the correct term, rather "a reflection"

    Definitely with more Private participation, political influence and Crony financiers can no longer manipulate the sport,

    but of course there may be more corruption in the from of betting etc.

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    TO CHANGE BAM... U have to change Msia Gomen 1st because BAM big guns are all connected to Msia Gomen & BAM is run exactly the same way as Msia Gomen on a smaller scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    Yes,test is not the correct term, rather "a reflection"

    Definitely with more Private participation, political influence and Crony financiers can no longer manipulate the sport,

    but of course there may be more corruption in the from of betting etc.
    I think my original suggestion has lost a lot in "translation"

    If you go back to #19 you will notice that the thrust of my entire argument was to take away the training aspect i.e. "operations" from the direct control of BAM. Instead BAM should "outsource" the training to established or potential "centres of excellence" for training. These can be private clubs, universities, and so on. My reference to CBSL and other leagues of other sports was to point out that this is a very viable and historically successful business model.

    Let me illustrate this with an example. I stress, this is just an example, so I hope people don't get all twisted about it. The KLRC has an established infrastructure, and a reputation that can allow it to build on further and expand if necessary. If BAM were to contract the KLRC (among others) to be a "funnel" for training and supplying national players of 3 levels, and were to issue guidelines, standards, a framework of operative requirements and objectives, training procedures and so on, then the KLRC can go about the business of recruiting promising talent. Maybe KLRC would be given a certain "territory" or geographic area that they can tap into for this purpose.
    What does KLRC gain? Well of course, BAM pays them for the training of "x" number of recruits for specific semesters or whatever. Sliding scales can be worked out depending on levels etc. KLRC obviously gains official recognition as a top source of talent for Malaysian badminton. The spin-offs would be to allow them to expand their training arm even further and provide the same services to foreign players or other national associations from say, Sri Lanka or Ukraine or Poland etc.

    BAM still retains control over tournaments. That (event management) would be the core of their business. They can now focus on the administrative and organizational aspects of their work, and hopefully the synergy they would build with such "partnerships" would make even the event management more professional, successful and appreciated.

    This is what I meant when I said...
    Any sport that has transcended its comfort zone in any country or continent, has only done so with active participation of the private sector. What are the leagues all about, whether in football, basketball, baseball, cricket and so on.
    My suggestion was restricted to the training aspect only. But once that proves successful and everyone (including the ministry of sports) gains confidence from this method of operations, there is no reason why the next, really big step cannot be considered. The Leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post
    TO CHANGE BAM... U have to change Msia Gomen 1st because BAM big guns are all connected to Msia Gomen & BAM is run exactly the same way as Msia Gomen on a smaller scale.
    The influence of politicians is very obvious when the public cannot really appreciate the sport

    but become very partisan and link all their preferences on nationality etc. and even give a high profile to

    coaches who have obviously become a tool for manipulations by politicians.

    But they are more open when it comes to the EPL.

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