Why is LCW inferior to LD?

**terencechan** · 02-06-2011, 11:55 AM

You can't dispute the facts. Here are the facts.

The Korean guy who's beaten LD a few times is Park Sung Hwan. He does not have a winning record against LD. In fact, no one has a winning record against LD. This info was research by "freelast" in the threat below. This info speaks of it's self.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...of-top-players

Nope, I couldn't make the trip to Korea because I was busy making some Maggi mee minutes before the match. I watched the match anyway from home. It was a close match because of the following obvious reasons :
1. LCW has improved and played a hell of a match.
2. LD only started to smash during the closing stages of each set. Although I don't have the stats to back this up, those who watched the match would agree that LD wins 90% of the time he attacks. That's why LD always takes racks up multiple points quickly during the closing stages of the match. He didn't choose a more defensive strategy to conserve energy, but to practice his strokes. If you doubt LD's stamina, you've got to watch LD's older matches when he first came out to the scene.
3. You see LD using the backhand so many times.. and almost every time to LCW's forehand. Why? .. So that he can practice his defense!

My theory is LD is trying to build another dimension to his game. What better way to do it than to test it out against the next best player in the world - LCW. If LCW gets close, just smash a few to get some easy points.

Ok.. it's a controversial theory. Eh, it's only my take on the subject. If Wikileaks hacked into Yong Boo's computer, we'll see the truth.. For now the truth will remain hidden in the x-files..

LCW also test strokes against lesser opponents.... but that's another story... (*credits*)

Hope you picked up a tip or two "WINK".. Now back to my maggi mee.

Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia

Just looking at the head to head record can tell lcw is inferior, boy oh boy

So if I look at h2h between ld and the Korean guy, I even forgot his name

who beat him in ag 2009, ld must be inferior to him?

That guy can't even pass preliminary rounds these days

Regarding his cruising with lcw in Korea,

I suppose you were following them there?

Tell us if cruising in the first set why so close and again in the last set at 16 all?

Seriously, I am interested to learn something from you

***kwun*** · 02-06-2011, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia

Just looking at the head to head record can tell lcw is inferior, boy oh boy

So if I look at h2h between ld and the Korean guy, I even forgot his name

who beat him in ag 2009, ld must be inferior to him?

That guy can't even pass preliminary rounds these days

Regarding his cruising with lcw in Korea,

I suppose you were following them there?

Tell us if cruising in the first set why so close and again in the last set at 16 all?

Seriously, I am interested to learn something from you

in statistics, there is something called the law of large numbers. basically what it says is that if there are more sample points, the results given by the sampling is more accurate. having a small sample of just one match is not telling enough of who is stronger.

however, in the case of LCW vs. LD, there are many more sample points so that give more weight to the conclusion drawn.

**pBmMalaysia** · 02-06-2011, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by terencechan

You can't dispute the facts. Here are the facts.

The Korean guy who's beaten LD a few times is Park Sung Hwan. He does not have a winning record against LD. In fact, no one has a winning record against LD. This info was research by "freelast" in the threat below. This info speaks of it's self.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...of-top-players

Nope, I couldn't make the trip to Korea because I was busy making some Maggi mee minutes before the match. I watched the match anyway from home. It was a close match because of the following obvious reasons :
1. LCW has improved and played a hell of a match.
2. LD only started to smash during the closing stages of each set. Although I don't have the stats to back this up, those who watched the match would agree that LD wins 90% of the time he attacks. That's why LD always takes racks up multiple points quickly during the closing stages of the match. He didn't choose a more defensive strategy to conserve energy, but to practice his strokes. If you doubt LD's stamina, you've got to watch LD's older matches when he first came out to the scene.
3. You see LD using the backhand so many times.. and almost every time to LCW's forehand. Why? .. So that he can practice his defense!

My theory is LD is trying to build another dimension to his game. What better way to do it than to test it out against the next best player in the world - LCW. If LCW gets close, just smash a few to get some easy points.

Ok.. it's a controversial theory. Eh, it's only my take on the subject. If Wikileaks hacked into Yong Boo's computer, we'll see the truth.. For now the truth will remain hidden in the x-files..

LCW also test strokes against lesser opponents.... but that's another story... (*credits*)

Hope you picked up a tip or two "WINK".. Now back to my maggi mee.

You got the wrong korean guy, he's not psh but choi hoi jin

so low profile i even forgot his name earlier but he has the best h2h record with ld-1:0

So is ld inferior to him the day he lost?

Nah..play 10 times ld would whack him 10 times

H2h is just a record of matches played between 2 players and as kwun mentioned,

there many sample points to give more weight to our conclusion drawn

Here, lcw/ld case is quite different, we should only use their last 5 meetings

and their overall last 5 performances in tournaments (2nd sample)

In this case, lcw is still world no.1, nobody can dispute this pure hard fact

But you may ask why lost to ld this time, hell for me I also ask that same question

As for ld, where were him in the last 5 tournaments?

and for this I will consider 'facts' so can't agree with you using h2h can determine lcw is inferior to ld

Anyway, maggi mee over tv with egg is good, it won't choke

**pBmMalaysia** · 02-06-2011, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by kwun

in statistics, there is something called the law of large numbers. basically what it says is that if there are more sample points, the results given by the sampling is more accurate. having a small sample of just one match is not telling enough of who is stronger.

however, in the case of LCW vs. LD, there are many more sample points so that give more weight to the conclusion drawn.

Yes, true and as for the Korean guy I was just pulling his leg

No way we can use that to judge his performance with ld,

with due respect, he couldn't even qualify for most ss

**pjswift** · 02-06-2011, 11:43 PM

Please, let s not be conned by the H2H.

There have been so many occasions when LD felt not good enough to match LCW he opted to withdraw or give away the match to his teammate. LD will ensure that the H2H remains in his favour by playing this cowardly game.

So why don t we put things in perspective by starting an unofficial H2H. Every time LD gifts a walkover or match to his teammate when he s on course to play LCW, count it as a win for LCW.
So for 2011 to date, unofficial H2H for LD:LCW is 0:2

When you review the past few years, there must be at least 6 or 7 occasions this happened . I may be wrong so it will be great if someone can verify the total.
Would be quite illuminating discovery.

**volcom** · 02-07-2011, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by pjswift

Please, let s not be conned by the H2H.

There have been so many occasions when LD felt not good enough to match LCW he opted to withdraw or give away the match to his teammate. LD will ensure that the H2H remains in his favour by playing this cowardly game.

So why don t we put things in perspective by starting an unofficial H2H. Every time LD gifts a walkover or match to his teammate when he s on course to play LCW, count it as a win for LCW.
So for 2011 to date, unofficial H2H for LD:LCW is 0:2

When you review the past few years, there must be at least 6 or 7 occasions this happened . I may be wrong so it will be great if someone can verify the total.
Would be quite illuminating discovery.

lol grandma pj...

What an amazing innovation in the sport of badminton!! One of the most enlightening of the 21st century!
Unbelievable!

**administrator** · 02-07-2011, 01:31 AM

it is very amusing to read how far datuk's fans will write to justify that
a) datuk only lose to super dan bcos of mental strength
b) datuk is just a step away from beating lin dan after each crushing loss.

reality check,

in korean open final, it is very clear that super dan was in control of the match the whole time. whenever he steps up to attack, it is surely a point.
more devastatingly, super dan can match datuk point for point even when he is trying out the new dimension to his game, the patient rally.

this certainly proves that super dan is truly a badminton genius. he just keeps on perfecting his game even though he is already invincible.

datuk is also a very good player, and some say malaysia's 3rd best singles player after rashid sidek and tan aik huang.
with his skills and strengths, easily he can become world champion, all-england champion, asian games gold IF super dan doesn't exist or comes years earlier or later.
such a tragedy.
each time miss boon 'thought' that he's got super dan figured out, super dan easily outfox them and made them look like fools.

**pBmMalaysia** · 02-07-2011, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by administrator

it is very amusing to read how far datuk's fans will write to justify that
a) datuk only lose to super dan bcos of mental strength
b) datuk is just a step away from beating lin dan after each crushing loss.

reality check,

in korean open final, it is very clear that super dan was in control of the match the whole time. whenever he steps up to attack, it is surely a point.
more devastatingly, super dan can match datuk point for point even when he is trying out the new dimension to his game, the patient rally.

this certainly proves that super dan is truly a badminton genius. he just keeps on perfecting his game even though he is already invincible.

datuk is also a very good player, and some say malaysia's 3rd best singles player after rashid sidek and tan aik huang.
with his skills and strengths, easily he can become world champion, all-england champion, asian games gold IF super dan doesn't exist or comes years earlier or later.
such a tragedy.
each time miss boon 'thought' that he's got super dan figured out, super dan easily outfox them and made them look like fools.

Heello there and bravo..nice post...

super dan...

datuk....

mental strength...

crushing loss....

rashid sidek....

tan aik huang....

many champions....

miss boon...

tragedy....

outfox.....

fools....

Btw nice name you have there, administrator but don't I know you from somewhere ?

**AlanY** · 02-07-2011, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by pjswift

Please, let s not be conned by the H2H.

There have been so many occasions when LD felt not good enough to match LCW he opted to withdraw or give away the match to his teammate. LD will ensure that the H2H remains in his favour by playing this cowardly game.

So why don t we put things in perspective by starting an unofficial H2H. Every time LD gifts a walkover or match to his teammate when he s on course to play LCW, count it as a win for LCW.
So for 2011 to date, unofficial H2H for LD:LCW is 0:2

When you review the past few years, there must be at least 6 or 7 occasions this happened . I may be wrong so it will be great if someone can verify the total.
Would be quite illuminating discovery.

yes, why dont we go one step further.

LCW must be unofficially the best MS ever,
olympics champion, twice at least,
asian champion, twice again,
world champion, lets say 3 times, unofficially, and of course
all england, must be at least 5-6 times easily.
thomas and sudirman cup, well just too many to mention, unofficially of course.

**AlanY** · 02-07-2011, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by AlanY

yes, why dont we go one step further.

LCW must be unofficially the best MS ever,
olympics champion, twice at least,
asian champion, twice again,
world champion, lets say 3 times, unofficially, and of course
all england, must be at least 5-6 times easily.
thomas and sudirman cup, well just too many to mention, unofficially of course.

officially? LCW is the current ranked No1 with 1 AE title under his belt after 10 years or so trying.
isnt that answer the OP's question?

**pBmMalaysia** · 02-07-2011, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by AlanY

officially? LCW is the current ranked No1 with 1 AE title under his belt after 10 years or so trying.
isnt that answer the OP's question?

Why belittling lcw here with just one ae title knowing this fella has countless ss titles?

Cheer up, man

**AlanY** · 02-07-2011, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia

Why belittling lcw here with just one ae title knowing this fella has countless ss titles?

Cheer up, man

belittle? what are you talking about?
didnt i just made him the best ever MS, unofficially!

**AlanY** · 02-07-2011, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia

Why belittling lcw here with just one ae title knowing this fella has countless ss titles?

Cheer up, man

ss titles are just the bread and butter, pay the bill thingyi. well, there are 250 ss titles since 2007, Lee yong dae got 18 and Yu yang got 20. whats the big deal? there are loads of them.

apart from the AE because of the history and the player's home t'ment are important to them, all the others are just as i said 'bread and butter', nice to have but no big deal.

now, we have the 5 premier SS that may change thing a bit but we have to wait and see.

**pBmMalaysia** · 02-07-2011, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by AlanY

belittle? what are you talking about?
didnt i just made him the best ever MS, unofficially!

Ya right, then you just make yourself his unofficial spokesman

**pBmMalaysia** · 02-07-2011, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by AlanY

ss titles are just the bread and butter, pay the bill thingyi. well, there are 250 ss titles since 2007, Lee yong dae got 18 and Yu yang got 20. whats the big deal? there are loads of them.

apart from the AE because of the history and the player's home t'ment are important to them, all the others are just as i said 'bread and butter', nice to have but no big deal.

now, we have the 5 premier SS that may change thing a bit but we have to wait and see.

Winning ss to you no big deal, to him makes him a millionaire already

Bread & butter? It's called pocket money and retirement fund

If lcw is reading this, i am sure he will be laughing at you

because everything is paid by bam lol

**AlanY** · 02-07-2011, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia

Winning ss to you no big deal, to him makes him a millionaire already

Bread & butter? It's called pocket money and retirement fund

If lcw is reading this, i am sure he will be laughing at you

because everything is paid by bam lol

no big deal as in nobody is going to prepare them specially or jump for joy when they won it.
may be differently for the 5 preimer, as i said lets wait and see

**pBmMalaysia** · 02-07-2011, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by AlanY

no big deal as in nobody is going to prepare them specially or jump for joy when they won it.
may be differently for the 5 preimer, as i said lets wait and see

Btw whats the different between ss and ps other than a bigger price money ?