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    let's use this thread to identify what we should do.

    instead of a "this is what you should not do" witch hunt.

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    i would like to add, if the game was a tight exciting match, i would also add, "good game" whether i was in the winning or losing side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    i would like to add, if the game was a tight exciting match, i would also add, "good game" whether i was in the winning or losing side.
    Heh - we say that even if one side got absolutely drilled. Just means we're back on court quicker!

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    Arrow Let's not go witch hunting

    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    let's use this thread to identify what we should do.

    instead of a "this is what you should not do" witch hunt.
    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    i would like to add, if the game was a tight exciting match, i would also add, "good game" whether i was in the winning or losing side.
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    True. Let's not go witch hunting.

    To BCers who are fans or anti-fans of certain players, kindly note that we are talking about Badminton, not about players (although we cannot talk about Badminton without the players).

    When shaking hand after a tight exciting match, I also sometimes say 'Good Game' to my opponent (whether winning or losing). It's again talking about Badminton, not talking about who is better and/or victorious.
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    Right, I think players should mind their manners on court and at least shake hands with officials and opponents after a match,

    as in many sports. if the opponent spends too much time celebrating,which is quite natural, I think ,like many of you said, the loser should just pack their things and just leave.

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    Thumbs down I'll be damned if we cannot stick to our topic of this thread

    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
    True. Let's not go witch hunting.
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    Have we had 1 or 2 posts already being deleted from this thread (because of some insensitive comments)?

    I'll be damned if we cannot stick to our topic of this thread.
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    How about post 12 and 16?? Why they are not deleted??

    Bbn brought up the question not me
    Last edited by Yoppy; 02-14-2011 at 06:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    Why only my posts were deleted?? How about post 12 and 16??

    Bbn brought up the question not me
    My replies to you were also deleted.We start again from post 18.

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    Default Everyone should watch this video and emulate.

    Interesting topic. Everyone should watch this video - Punch Gunalan vs. Rudy Hartono in All England 1974. The best of gamesmanship from both players are captured here.

    Focus on minute 8:30 for the victory moment.



    Be joyful with victory, be graceful to the enemy.
    This is what we should all do in court. Opponent should be priority number one. Afterall, there's plenty of time to celebrate with the coaches and fans afterwards...

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    Smile Sometimes, it's about perceptions and what it "appears" to be.

    Let's say we are not talking about professional or international play or tournaments. But say, a local tournament, or just a friendly match with your neighbours or office guys. Stuff like that.

    When we step on to the court, we generally shake hands or greet each other in a friendly manner. Then warm up. When everyone feels reasonably ready, we begin play.

    At the end of the game, we slap hands or grin or remark some stuff in light-hearted fun, and change sides.

    At the end of the match, we all move to the net where we exchange hand-slaps or shake hands, and without prompting, we all say something like "thanks," or "good game," or "hey, that was great" or some light-hearted banter. It just comes naturally. Even if one of the four is not in a good mood, he cannot help but join in and be friendly, because the spirit of friendliness just takes over!

    But international, professional BWF play is different stuff, and we have to be mature enough to recognize it. There are many demands and requirements on a player; he has been trained to do many things; he needs to remember many things. And all of this happens in the heat of the moment, and at a time when he is experiencing the peak of his emotions just after the finals of a tournament. There are ceremony schedules to be followed, so many other people guiding them at that moment, so much.... confusion!

    So A wins, and sparks off a celebration. There is a bit of nationalistic pride, and he runs for the flag, or goes to hug his coach. If it's a Thomas Cup game, he has to hug the whole team who run on to the court! But that's OK IMO, everyone is just expressing their joy.

    Anyway, B who has just lost, is shaking the hands of the umpire and service judge and all that, and slows down to wait for A to finally run out of steam, but he cannot stay too long because it will look silly. (Shon Seung Mo at the OG2004 was an honourable exception IMO, he even smiled understandingly at Taufik and hugged him like an affectionate elder brother, and I doff my hat to him. It takes a very secure kind of man to do that.)

    So then, B thinks, "I got to go now" and walks off. A sees him leaving, is caught now in two minds "should I run after him? should I let him go? how does it look?" but then he is still experiencing the adrenaline rush, and he thinks, "it's ok, we will catch up with one another in the locker room, away from all this noise!" Which is exactly what B was thinking as well.

    Meanwhile, the rest of the world see this, add 2 + 2 and get the correct result:
    Anywhere between 658 and 12,915

    My 713.5 cents...

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    Thumbs up The best of gamesmanship from both players are captured here

    Quote Originally Posted by kennee View Post
    Interesting topic. Everyone should watch this video - Punch Gunalan vs. Rudy Hartono in All England 1974. The best of gamesmanship from both players are captured here.

    Focus on minute 8:30 for the victory moment.



    Be joyful with victory, be graceful to the enemy.
    This is what we should all do in court. Opponent should be priority number one. Afterall, there's plenty of time to celebrate with the coaches and fans afterwards...
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    Thanks for the video kennee.

    It's really a good sportsmanship of Punch Gunalan to immediately go under the net to hug and to congratulate Rudy Hartono after their last rally.

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    Chris, a correction if you won't mind...
    The title of post #28 should read "sportsmanship" instead of "gamesmanship"

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    Arrow It's "sportsmanship", not "gamesmanship"

    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Chris, a correction if you won't mind...
    The title of post #28 should read "sportsmanship" instead of "gamesmanship"
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    Oops, wrong word typed.

    Yes, it should read 'sportsmanship' for both title and content.

    Probably, when earlier we talked much about 'Good Game', the word 'game' kept ringing in my ears.


    BTW, gamesmanship is another etiquette that I dislike.
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    Chris, you forgot the Most Important Part of post-match badminton etiquette:
    Winner buys the beer!

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQcVJEsiLo

    This match from a past era also shows some "sportsmanship".

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    Thumbs up Luan Jin showing great sportsmanship

    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQcVJEsiLo

    This match from a past era also shows some "sportsmanship".
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    Thanks for the video Bbn.

    Another great match; Morten Frost-vs-Luan Jin at the 1982 All England, and Luan Jin showing great sportsmanship for helping Morten Frost to stand up.

    It's amazing that videos of matches from the past are now surfacing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQcVJEsiLo

    This match from a past era also shows some "sportsmanship".
    Yes, absolutely right. We can see so many instances of this kind of camaraderie and sportsmanship between players of the past eras, transcending borders, colour, race etc. Thanks for these instances!

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