A Training Centre for Coaches?

**extremenanopowe** · 04-30-2011, 01:53 AM

Maybe we should have feeding speed competition? kekeke...

**Loh** · 04-30-2011, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by cobalt

Just so I don't misunderstand you, Loh: do you mean to say that SSC has the curriculum available as well as the resources, but the SBA does not actively encourage its coaches to pursue the Continuing Education courses offered under the aegis of the NROC?

Yes I believe the SSC has most of the resources to conduct the theory courses. On top of that they are responsible for the continuing education programme for coaches registered with the NROC.
The SBA has resources to train Level 1 & 2 coaches on the technical level but will be hard pressed to conduct Level 3 courses and beyond. Their priorities are different.

**Bbn** · 04-30-2011, 04:11 PM

Sports Science and Coaching

http://www.multi-science.co.uk/sport...e&coaching.htm

**Bbn** · 04-30-2011, 04:28 PM

http://south-side-athletic-coaching-...ce+Coaches.pdf

**pBmMalaysia** · 04-30-2011, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by viver

You summarized almost everything! But in order to gain their full respect, you also need to be an expert in the electronic games as well and some insights in the fashion field!

Hahaha you know something too !

Sometime have to go down and become kid again lol

**Bbn** · 04-30-2011, 08:11 PM

http://www.badmintonengland.co.uk/te...hing+Badminton

**viver** · 05-01-2011, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia

Hahaha you know something too !

Sometime have to go down and become kid again lol

And not only accepting anything as paycheck... You may even have to sponsor financially in order for the kids to participate in badminton related events. But it may be rewarding in the end, if the kid(s) keep playing with passion, independent of the sporting results.

**Loh** · 05-01-2011, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Loh

Yes I believe the SSC has most of the resources to conduct the theory courses. On top of that they are responsible for the continuing education programme for coaches registered with the NROC.
The SBA has resources to train Level 1 & 2 coaches on the technical level but will be hard pressed to conduct Level 3 courses and beyond. Their priorities are different.

Another problem for SBA is the difficulty of getting a really qualified coach to train the coaches at Level 3. China would perhaps have coaches of high technical ability who are able to impart their knowledge at Level 3, but language could be a problem unless the trainee coaches understand Mandarin. SSC theory courses are conducted in English as the Manuals are written in English.

Even for the SBA organized Level 3 class in 2003 conducted by the German coach and where more than half the class were ex-national players and professional coaches, many were not proficient in Mandarin and one was a non-Chinese.

The course also required practical attachment to the National coach for a specified period in order to complete and qualify for a certificate. This is not exactly "mentoring" as I understand it. As the national coach then was a Chinese, communication with him was difficult and he had to conduct training for the national players with little time for the trainee coach. So the trainee coach would just have to spend time observing how the national coach conducted his training and it could prove monotonous and unproductive.

**pBmMalaysia** · 05-01-2011, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by viver

And not only accepting anything as paycheck... You may even have to sponsor financially in order for the kids to participate in badminton related events. But it may be rewarding in the end, if the kid(s) keep playing with passion, independent of the sporting results.

Yeah right, never regret that even there is a hole in my pocket

I see this should be covered in level 1 & 2

It's under investment

***cobalt*** · 05-01-2011, 10:59 AM

The world has changed many times over the past 50 years. There is always new knowledge and new methods to be learnt every few years. There is new technology to be confronted, and new frontiers to be explored. There are new discoveries in health and physiology, and new approaches to high-intensity, performance training.

All of this can in theory, allow a player to perform at a level that is greater than a player of say, 30 years ago. But it is up to the coach to understand the uniqueness of each player, and to extract the greatest potential from him or her. How can a coach achieve this?

He will first have to understand the methodologies of coaching. To understand the working of the human body. To understand hyperextension and other stuff, just so that he can use those conditions correctly to extract maximum performance.

He will have to understand old and new methods and approaches to physical training. Technology. Evolution of tactics. Mental warfare. Support systems. Diet. Weather. Hydration. Illegal substances. Meditation. Visualization. Preparation. Breathing techniques. Correct elbow elevation. Rest as a weapon.

Equally important: he will need to know what information to use, and what to discard.
But he must never stop learning, himself.

***cobalt*** · 05-01-2011, 11:04 AM

A coach can keep improving and discovering new techinques, applications and approaches at any level. He does not need to seek to move from say, Level 2 to Level 3 in his quest for improvement. To an extent, content and approach can also evolve within a level. I think it is very important to recognize this concept.

The questions are:
1. Where does the coach go, to learn or improve?
2. What sources and resources does he turn to?
3. Can he trust these sources and resources?
4. Are they structured, manageable and constantly inclusive/evolving?
5. What is the optimum frequency of refreshes?
6. Is the gain measurable?
7. Can the gain be replicated with variations in application, depending on condition and player/student?

**MSeeley** · 05-01-2011, 11:19 AM

If you read the "level 3 badminton" link posted above (for the badminton england stuff) they talk about this evolution "within a level" as horizontal development - whereas going from level 1 to 2 is vertical. However, identifying the newest/most interesting resources for personal development is sometimes tricky, and can come in so many ways!

**pBmMalaysia** · 05-01-2011, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by cobalt

A coach can keep improving and discovering new techinques, applications and approaches at any level. He does not need to seek to move from say, Level 2 to Level 3 in his quest for improvement. To an extent, content and approach can also evolve within a level. I think it is very important to recognize this concept.

The questions are:
1. Where does the coach go, to learn or improve?
2. What sources and resources does he turn to?
3. Can he trust these sources and resources?
4. Are they structured, manageable and constantly inclusive/evolving?
5. What is the optimum frequency of refreshes?
6. Is the gain measurable?
7. Can the gain be replicated with variations in application, depending on condition and player/student?

Cobalt, I am not sure other coaches have come across this or even agrees

What you have mentioned, through years of experience in learning, observing, sharing, trial & error ..

a coach will succeed in his quest to find answers for his questions if he doesn't give up

He will find somebody who can answer his questions without asking him one day

***cobalt*** · 05-01-2011, 01:26 PM

pBm, I respect your angle on things because I know that it is a respected and successful coach talking!

But why would anyone (even a very good and successful coach) not want to look for and accept more professional inputs? If this can allow him to be even better at his own job, does this not make sense?

Nowadays there are many professional resources available in every sport; and no responsibility can be taken in isolation at the higher levels of sport. It is OK to work solo at club or school levels. But beyond that, at any regional/state/national or otherwise professional level, people aim for a synergetic effect; and this can only come through some sort of collaboration and interaction/sharing with other professionals, whose area of expertise touches (or to some extent, overlaps) your own.

Every actually practises this. Even you may be doing it in your own way!

What I am getting at is to take this interaction/collaboration/synergy to a new, more organised, professionally planned, managed and administered level. The advantage is in continuity of service, quality of service, and assured delivery of service. What do you think?

**MSeeley** · 05-01-2011, 02:06 PM

If someone can help me to be a better coach than I am now, then YES PLEASE

I believe that I will get there eventually, but any help I can get along the way would be invaluable. As i am relatively inexperienced, and do not coach at an elite level, my interests lie in finding out new drills and exercises/ new theories and explanations/ different technical explanations of shots.
However, a coach at an elite level will be thinking differently - what will make these athletes able to succeed above their competitors? How can I give them the edge? Everyone, including the competition, is practising, so the pressure is on making the training you give your players do something that allows them to take the improvements of their opponents, and counter this, and come out on top. Tough.

**MSeeley** · 05-01-2011, 02:10 PM

Having just written that, I remember that the coaches who taught me at level 2 said the one of the key things a coach can do is CASE: Copy. And. Steal. Everything.

The goal of coaching is to help people, so there are no egos, no rivalry (in theory). Share what you know, because it might help someone help someone else. Of course, at an international level, this no longer applies!

**Bbn** · 05-01-2011, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by cobalt

A coach can keep improving and discovering new techinques, applications and approaches at any level. He does not need to seek to move from say, Level 2 to Level 3 in his quest for improvement. To an extent, content and approach can also evolve within a level. I think it is very important to recognize this concept.

The questions are:
1. Where does the coach go, to learn or improve?
2. What sources and resources does he turn to?
3. Can he trust these sources and resources?
4. Are they structured, manageable and constantly inclusive/evolving?
5. What is the optimum frequency of refreshes?
6. Is the gain measurable?
7. Can the gain be replicated with variations in application, depending on condition and player/student?

http://www.multi-science.co.uk/sport...e&coaching.htm

Self learning?