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    instruction for the basic pattern:

    measure the required string length and weave mains:

    1. measure the length of the short side (green on diagram) to be 6 racket length
    2. weave mains from center out. tension L/R halves alternately.

    weaving and clamping sequence for cross:

    1. (diagram circle 1) weave the long end into 3 holes higher (4 for 72 holes?)
    2. (diagram circle 2) weave the short end into 2 holes higher (3 for 72 holes?)
    3. (diagram circle 3) weave one line on the short side, tension and hold with starting clamp.
    4. (diagram circle 4) weave long end all the way to the top of the racket. tie knot.
    5. tension the short end string that was clamped. remove clamp. weave down till reaching bottom of the racket. tie knot.

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    Thanks kwun for the translation .....

    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    instruction for the basic pattern:
    measure the required string length and weave mains:

    1. measure the length of the short side (green on diagram) to be 6 racket length
    2. weave mains from center out. tension L/R halves alternately.

    weaving and clamping sequence for cross:

    1. (diagram circle 1) weave the long end into 3 holes higher (4 for 72 holes?)
    2. (diagram circle 2) weave the long end into 2 holes higher (3 for 72 holes?)
    3. (diagram circle 3) weave one line on the short side, tension and hold with starting clamp.
    4. (diagram circle 4) weave long end all the way to the top of the racket. tie knot.
    5. tension the short end string that was clamped. remove clamp. weave down till reaching bottom of the racket. tie knot.
    I can not read Chinese, but from the way I read the diagram maybe as like this :
    1. (diagram circle 1) weave the LONG end into 3 holes higher (both for 72 & 76 - BLUE color)
    2. (diagram circle 2) weave the SHORT end into 2 holes higher (both for 72 & 76 holes - GREEN color)

    looks like there is an error on 72 holes, on 3rd cross from top, I believe it supposed to be BLUE color instead of GREEN color.

    now wait for the Professional one ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by maa2003 View Post
    Thanks kwun for the translation .....



    I can not read Chinese, but from the way I read the diagram maybe as like this :
    1. (diagram circle 1) weave the LONG end into 3 holes higher (both for 72 & 76 - BLUE color)
    2. (diagram circle 2) weave the SHORT end into 2 holes higher (both for 72 & 76 holes - GREEN color)

    looks like there is an error on 72 holes, on 3rd cross from top, I believe it supposed to be BLUE color instead of GREEN color.

    now wait for the Professional one ....
    thanks for the correction. i have fixed it in my original post.

    now... the professional one...

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    instruction for the professional pattern:

    first, measure the required string length and weave mains:

    1. measure the length of the short side (red on diagram) to be 6 racket length
    2. weave mains from center out. tension L/R halves alternately.

    22 main x 21 cross rackets (Left diagram)

    1. (short end) leaving the last main string unweaved, use a starting clamp to clamp the short end at the outter side of the frame.
    2. (long end) leaving the last main string unweaved, go down one hole from the 2nd last main and start weaving the cross downwards.
    3. (long end) when down to the 4th last cross hole, skip over it and leave the 4th row unoccupied. weave until red circle (2) on the diagram.
    4. (short end) finish off the last main string. and then weave it into the 4th last cross string.
    5. (short end) finish off the last main on the other end. and then weave it into the 5 cross strings at the top of the racket. tie knot.
    6. (long end) finish off the bottom cross. tie knot.

    22 main x 22 cross rackets (Right diagram)

    1. (short end) leaving the last main string unweaved, use a starting clamp to clamp the short end at the outter side of the frame.
    2. (long end) leaving the last main string unweaved, go down one hole from the 2nd last main and start weaving the cross downwards.
    3. (long end) weave downwards until the 3rd cross.
    4. (short end) weave the last main. (red circle (2) )
    5. (long end) from the bottom 3rd cross, weave last main upwards. go up one hole and finish off weaving the top 4 crosses. tie knot.
    6. (short end) from red circle (2), go down 2 holes and then finish weaving the bottom 2 crosses. tie knot.

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    the 22x22 professional pattern is actually quite interesting! the diagram is not very clear what the sequence is but it actually is weaving the middle portion of the crosses going top down first, and then finishes off the top 4 and bottom 2 cross last.

    very interesting. now i just need to find a racket to try this out.... aiyah. need more rackets.

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    thanks kwun for the translation, so we are non-chinese speaking can read and practice it now ....

    I've tried the Professional 22x21 (Left diagram) pattern, but end up with 22x22 coz my friend asked me to add one one at the bottom.
    Now going to try the Professional 22x22 (right diagram) pattern since I hv plenty of rackets to be strung ....

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    the million dollar questions are....

    why? why? why?

    why is the 72/76 holes different? why 76 holes is 16+6 where as 72 holes is 14+7 on the crosses?

    why can't we use the same pattern for the 21 cross and 22 cross, and just add one more cross string at the top?

    why is the top down "professional", and the bottom up "basic"?

    why are there 4 of them and i have to experiment 4 times and i don't have enough rackets to compare!


    why? why? why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    the million dollar questions are....
    why? why? why?
    why is the 72/76 holes different? why 76 holes is 16+6 where as 72 holes is 14+7 on the crosses?
    why can't we use the same pattern for the 21 cross and 22 cross, and just add one more cross string at the top?
    why is the top down "professional", and the bottom up "basic"?
    why are there 4 of them and i have to experiment 4 times and i don't have enough rackets to compare!
    why? why? why?
    I have took a look the old Haribito file in my print-out, and all the same, looks like it was 72 only with 22x21 and 22x22 pattern.
    Maybe now Gosen has found that top-down is more professional looks ... hehez
    Last edited by maa2003; 04-08-2011 at 03:43 AM.

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    i wonder if they have found these new and more complicated patterns are in some way... better?

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    These patterns are decidedly odd - they aren't even attempts to mimic 1PTD, so I can't imagine what can be gained from them over the usual bottom-up version. Bottom-left in #16 is just crazy!

    The bottom-right one in #16 is what I would use for a 1PBU if I were still to use that method - adding some crosses before tying off is a very good idea, as simply tying off from a main to a main would lead to asymmetrical stresses in the L/R direction. The knot would reduce the effective tension on one side, but not the other; the crosses add some friction to counteract this. The loop from the main to cross is rather long, though - it could go in earlier than that.

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    a few more thoughts.

    - it seems that Haribito considers TD to be "pro". while BU is "basic". or maybe just because the pattern needed to achieve TD is more complicated that makes it more pro. but obviously, Haribito says TD is better, otherwise why even go through all the hoops to make it possible.

    - Haribito really like one piece stringing. none of their pattern are 2 piece.

    - Haribito says center out is better. all pattern emphasize getting the center 10-15 cross strings in first. and then do the boundary strings. or at least, that's the best they can do to string the center first. unless if they do 2 piece then they can really have a proper center out pattern.

    - Haribito pro pattern don't weave the 11th main on the 2 sides until the center crosses are weaved and tensioned. again, emphasizing the center strings first.

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    more thoughts on stringing center out.

    with modern 6 point support machines, it kinda make sense to emphasize center out. after all, center out is more symmetric. side-to-side by definition puts tension in one end of the frame before the other.

    however, it is arguable whether center out for cross is neccessary, simply because the racket is not symmetrical in that direction anyway.

    also, with 6 point machine, putting tension on the center strings first bulges the racket outwards towards the top/bottom, it will help maintain racket shape. it is not uncommon to see the top frame getting squeezed more on a bottom up pattern.

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    Attn.: Mr. Kwun & Mr. maa2003

    Which one you are prefere to go for

    1. http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...light=haribito

    OR

    2. This new Profession haribito pattern

    OR

    3. Basic pattern

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbi2004 View Post
    Attn.: Mr. Kwun & Mr. maa2003
    Which one you are prefere to go for
    1. http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...light=haribito
    OR
    2. This new Profession haribito pattern
    OR
    3. Basic pattern
    To me #1 and #3 are just the same, no different.
    I used to use the #1 until I saw your picture for the Professional one.

    I never tried to play with the Professional one, but a friend of mine told me it is very good.

    Looks like I will be using the Professional (22x21) eventhough I will string 22x22 or 22x23 (not refer to tension lbs).

    how about you ?

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    i am going to test the professional pattern just for curiosity. will tell u afterwards.

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    I strung one for my friend with #1 pattern for his racket. His feedback was very good. I have ordered FLEET Woven 1000, after it reaches me, I will string it with #2.

    Let us see Mr. Kwun's feedback about his test of professional pattern.

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