Liew Daren

**george@chongwei** · 11-15-2012, 06:22 AM

He needs to play like 'aggressive' LCW if he wants to play like LCW...

**jug8man** · 11-15-2012, 08:12 AM

Aiyaaa... forgot to curse before his match started... I guess LD-Type R had a Vtec malfunction today.... haiz

**george@chongwei** · 11-15-2012, 09:09 AM

Nevermind, u still have Hong Kong Open to 'cheer' for him next.

**julianng** · 11-15-2012, 02:02 PM

who is this 'Gao Huan' he lost to ? Is he good ?

**danielwong** · 11-15-2012, 06:58 PM

Liew Daren is brought down to earth with the defeat to Gao Huan...
at least he understand now, he got much to catch-up....

**nkt0811** · 11-15-2012, 07:16 PM

Gao Huan won against DL because of home advantage, what if he do that again outside homesoil...

**danielwong** · 11-15-2012, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by nkt0811

Gao Huan won against DL because of home advantage, what if he do that again outside homesoil...

too bad Gao Huan is not playing in HK
and Daren face heavy task against Rumbaka in 1st RD

**pathan** · 11-15-2012, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by julianng

who is this 'Gao Huan' he lost to ? Is he good ?

Check out his profile at www.bwfbadminton.org ... he has put a lot of players ranked above him to shame this year... definitely a rising star, with raw talent, and determination. A definite top 10 candidate in a couple of years.

**Pakito** · 11-15-2012, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by gelee

Yeah, unfortunately its obvious that Daren's biggest point of weakness right now is that he gives away points way, I mean way too cheaply. On average, if you were to count, he makes an average about 8-10 unforced errors in one game. You cant be champion material with that many unforced errors with the current point system.

I obviously play badminton myself, and majority of the unforced errors comes from not putting full mental focus on every single shot. In badminton, especially with an exhausted body, its so easy to get into that casual mode of just "playing along" with your opponent and not putting enough mental focus to control that stroke of yours.

It has been reported somewhere that LD practices 'cutting down' or 'eliminating' unforced errors by giving a huge handicapped to himself of letting the opponent (sparring partner) with a huge point lead of at least 10 points. While majority of players know it's absolutely necessary not to let an opponent to lead too far ahead, it is the very fact that this practice will seriously teach you not to 'play play' in a sparring session, much less a tournament. So the mentality is programmed to play by winning points at a 'stretch' continually because you have to, it's a do or die situation. So in play, in crucial to have a huge lead cushioning for your own mistakes, but in practice, it's a must to practice gaining as much points as you can, which is what is lacking in malaysian players. I have never seen them obtained more than 5 or 6 points in a row, with LCW being the exception.

Try this type of training yourself. It will train your mentality because you are force to minimize your errors. It is said that LD starts a sparring session with at least a 10-15 margin. Sometimes the games starts straightaway with a 10-18 status. Of course, no one can confirm this.

**danielwong** · 11-15-2012, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Pakito

It has been reported somewhere that LD practices 'cutting down' or 'eliminating' unforced errors by giving a huge handicapped to himself of letting the opponent (sparring partner) with a huge point lead of at least 10 points. While majority of players know it's absolutely necessary not to let an opponent to lead too far ahead, it is the very fact that this practice will seriously teach you not to 'play play' in a sparring session, much less a tournament. So the mentality is programmed to play by winning points at a 'stretch' continually because you have to, it's a do or die situation. So in play, in crucial to have a huge lead cushioning for your own mistakes, but in practice, it's a must to practice gaining as much points as you can, which is what is lacking in malaysian players. I have never seen them obtained more than 5 or 6 points in a row, with LCW being the exception.

Try this type of training yourself. It will train your mentality because you are force to minimize your errors. It is said that LD starts a sparring session with at least a 10-15 margin. Sometimes the games starts straightaway with a 10-18 status. Of course, no one can confirm this.

the LD above meant Lin Dan and not Liew Daren right??

**forest** · 11-15-2012, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

He needs to play like 'aggressive' LCW if he wants to play like LCW...

This tournament used slow shuttlecock, therefore hardly you seen DL smashing. FHF used to have hard smash but last night also affected. Hardly his smashes can penetrate our double pair CPS/LKW....

**Pakito** · 11-15-2012, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by danielwong

the LD above meant Lin Dan and not Liew Daren right??

Right

**george@chongwei** · 11-15-2012, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by forest

This tournament used slow shuttlecock, therefore hardly you seen DL smashing. FHF used to have hard smash but last night also affected. Hardly his smashes can penetrate our double pair CPS/LKW....

It could be the issue with the cold weather as well.. AFAIK, every year China OPEn in Shanghai produce a lot of rallies in a match especially in doubles and you can also see a lot of player's string broken as well.

**undeadshot** · 11-15-2012, 11:50 PM

Gao Huan
-4 tournaments played in a WHOLE YEAR! He has definitely not been given exposure, probably one of the China Team B who doesn't get to play anywhere. He did pretty well in the 4 tournaments he has participated with the exception of China Masters. His losses were to Du Pengyu, Sony Dwi Kuncoro, P. Kashyap and Chen Yuekun.

-I would say he is an okay player and he has a chance against Chen Jin. However, I do not believe that Liew Daren should lose to Gao Huan and it is nothing short of a poor result based on Gao Huan's past performance. Those who say the past is the past, we shall see if Gao Huan can beat Chen Jin, because I actually believe that Liew Daren can beat Chen Jin.

**TheSmasherKing** · 11-22-2012, 11:47 PM

i didnt watch the match between ld vs cl... the score was 8-21, 13-21 if im not mistaken rite? did he lost tamely?

**nkt0811** · 11-23-2012, 02:09 AM

Daren need to work hard on consistency and defence, looks like he need to play daily match with LCW during training sessions in order to improve instead of do sparring...

**julianng** · 11-23-2012, 08:49 AM

it looks like the french open is a one-off achievement for the late boomer daren liew....

either that or chen long is just physically too strong for him...

i would like to think it is the latter but it's hard to see anyone beat top chinese singles players

CHN has the best singles players in big numbers and KOR has the best doubles players in big numbers... it's a proven FACT...