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03-24-2013, 02:06 AM #2092
As my father always tell me. Taiwanese still make new things even they have less info about it. For example, the Graphene. They started out with just at the T head, then changed to frame, then next? the whole shaft? I think i'll just wait for a full graphene racket then. Then they will make another new series for it, meanwhile dumping those MX/TK series. I think we should apply for the position - Marketing Manager in Victor, pretty sure that Victor will quickly become as HOT as Li-Ning/Yonex.
Apologizing for bad english, still need to improve.
03-24-2013, 04:31 AM #2093
In comparison, the Superwave line only had 3 rackets and is apparently gonna be retired soon. The Spira series only had 2 rackets.
What makes matters worse is that they don't have the clear system of 3 (or maybe 4) lines with clear differences, like Yonex has and adidas will have. The Meteors could be marked as their 'Control' line as they have pretty stable heads and are more or less even balanced, while the Braveswords clearly fall into the 'Speed' category. While the Superwaves were officially the 'Power' line, they lacked the really head heavy stuff all other companies have since the SW35 was discontinued (which wasn't quite on the level of a N90 or VTZF either, if what I've read is correct).
I hope they'll make things more clear for ppl who don't want to spend hours upon hours agonizing over rackets. If the TK line is clearly marked as head heavy and power-oriented, that's a good first step - now they need to keep the Meteor and Bravesword lines and make it more clear which line has what characteristics. Continuously releasing new stuff (FlumeTec, Lightfighter,....) is only gonna make matters worse.
03-24-2013, 05:16 AM #2094
Having read all of these comments, I would also like to put my opinions, as follows:
Sources of references =
Yonex Japan Catalogues (Anno 2008-2013), and, Yonex Global Catalogues (Anno 2008-2013),
Victor Catalogues (Anno 2010-2011, Spring-Summer 2012, Fall-Winter 2012, and Spring-Summer 2013)
I am of the opinion that both vendors (YY and V), although there are differences, are actually similar in general
I learnt that YY categorizes their rackets based on the (i) series, and (ii) balance point (head heavy, even balance and head light), and V categorizes their rackets based on the (i) series, and (ii) frame design.
Further, YY put all of their products within 1 unified chart system, so that the costumers may directly compare each other in terms of balance point and hold/repulsion effect. Whilst V never put all of its products within 1 chart as YY does.
But since the released of Victor's Catalogues for Spring-Summer 2012, Fall-Winter 2012, and Spring-Summer 2013, I am surprised to found that V was trying to put all of its products into 1 unified chart system, and also applying similar terms, i.e., balance point, and control/bounce effect. Therefore, in this term, we could conclude that V is following YY promotional strategy.
Currently, every vendors seem are trying evolve rapidly, and this can be shown by frequency of releases of their latest products. For the past 3-4 years, we may note that YY releases its products 2 times every year, i.e., during Spring (March-April) and Autumn (September-October).
On the other hands, V usually releases their latest products also 2 times every year, i.e., 1st Quarter and 3rd Quarter. I rarely found any new badminton rackets being released during summer nor winter.
We note that both vendors share similar racket’s categorizations, as follows: [at present]
Power Rackets – Yonex (Armortec and Voltric) against Victor (SuperWave, Artery Tec, Thruster)
All Around Rackets – Yonex (Arcsaber) against Victor (Meteor X)
Speed Rackets – Yonex (NanoSpeed and Nanoray) against Victor (BraveSword)
All of these are designated to each consumers’ (personal) preferences
Their R&D Divisions are showing us (the consumers) with never-ending evolution, refreshment and development of products. Added with their so-called sophisticated gimmicks, they try to convince us that the latest/recent products are better compared to the older/earlier models.
The tendencies of 2013 YY line-up seems to bring the badminton game into faster and lighter stages. These are evidenced with the recent releases of F and 5U products (73-78 gram), i.e., Voltric 30 (JP Domestic Market only), Arcsaber FB, and Arcsaber 6. Last year (2012), they also introduced their lightest ever shoes to the market, i.e., SHB F1. They argued that the current badminton games is very fast, and even the professionals couldn't cope with the attack / counter attack from the opponents.
Last but not least, I have my suspicions, that V would concentrate for the release of other Thruster products in the near future. Based on the reference of sequential releases of Meteor X Series in the past (starting from 80, then followed by 70 and 60), probably we may foresee the release of Thruster K 7000, and then 6000, etc. Simultaneously, they probably would also release 1 or 2 new products in BraveSword (BRS 12 L) and Meteor-X series too.
The consequences of these rapid strategies affect the consumers. We are the victim of vendors’ marketing and promotion as we are tempted to try (and to buy) their latest products everytime of new releases.
Therefore, I agree with the aforementioned opinions, it would be wise for us to stick to our current rackets which fits our playing styles, personal preferences and skills. There would be no use to purchase new products unless our most favored/preferred rackets have been discontinued by the vendor. Trying to cope with all of newly-released products would end up nothing, save for the empty wallets for us. Hahahaha
Just sharing my two cents
Last edited by clawhammers; 03-24-2013 at 05:27 AM.
03-24-2013, 06:11 AM #2095
what happen to the hybrid composite?
03-24-2013, 06:26 AM #2096
"10 years of Armortec". I think most series are around for at least 8 years or so, only the Titanium series had a short international lifespan, NanoSpeed 7000 came out in second half of 2004.
But Chen Hong was using SW32 back in first half 2007 already, probably the first two SW models (SW32 and SW33 Power/Control) ...
Last edited by demolidor; 03-24-2013 at 06:38 AM.
03-24-2013, 07:10 AM #2097
That's my point...Victor have not established a second series to support Bravesword. I really thought Meteor would be it but it has almost come and gone in Europe in virtually one season.
03-24-2013, 07:26 AM #2098
I really forgot about the SW32 and 33, with the SW30 that actually brings the series up to 7 high end rackets.
I don't really think the Bravesword series needs a replacement - they're still great rackets, and just releasing new models every now and again (like the 12/LYD) would be enough. They should keep the Meteor series up and running though, it is definitely different as the more solid frames give the rackets a much more massive feeling compared to the BS frames.
Imop the best way to go would be to keep both BX and MX lines and just promote the TK series for now - there's a definite need for more head heavy models in Victor's line up as they have nothing to offer for players who like the ZForce/VT80/N90 type of racket. Afaik the SW37 is balanced, not head heavy, and the TK8000 isn't stiff enough for a big amount of players.
I really think they should get a successor for the SW35, I understand it was quite successful and can't imagine why they wouldn't give those happy with it a new model to buy as they did with the Bs09/12
Oh, and I have no numbers or statements, but if the Meteor series lacked success in Europe that will have been because of the price (10-30€ ABOVE Yonex - that's 6.6-20%) and complete lack of availability. The delay is just unforgiveable - the Mx80 was only available about 3 months after I had gotten mine from Asia, and the same goes for the rest. The TK8000 is actually the fastest model to appear as there have been only a few weeks between release in Asia and its appearance in the German catalogue.
While I understand they don't want to print new catalogues more than once a year, at least they could have the decency to import the new stuff a little quicker than that! Compared to Asian customers, I feel cheated as only ~50% of their stuff is available, and usually 2-6 months later.
Last edited by j4ckie; 03-24-2013 at 07:32 AM.
03-24-2013, 07:29 AM #2099
Well ... perhaps this is also influenced by the policies applied by the Victor's official distributorship
If I'm not mistaken, my friend in china informed me that actually there are differences between categorization of rackets in China/Taiwan markets with Victor's other markets
Speed - Brave Sword (High End) and Explorer (Low End)
All Around - Meteor X (High End) and Super Nano (Low End)
Power - Thruster / Super Waves / Ti Artery Tec (High End) and Challenger (Low End)
03-24-2013, 07:35 AM #2100
Victor seems to base its series on the wrong thing, for me - "this racket line has tech X". They should do what Yonex does: "this racket line has balance X". A (serious) player doesn't pick a racket because it has Octablade, or whatever; they pick a racket based on what they want it to do.
03-24-2013, 07:40 AM #2101
Absolutely, they would be very foolish to discontinue Brave Sword. Super Waves could have been kept as well, should never have been called Super Inside Wave over here in the first place but perhaps there are some legal reasons behind it. Flumetec in Dutch sounds like a loogie (correct english word: phlegm)
Meteor series has been handled extremely foolish indeed ... but that's what you get with contradicting interests from Victor International ... (or so it seems)
[SW30, 31, 32, 33C, 33P, 35, 36 & 37]
Last edited by demolidor; 03-24-2013 at 07:44 AM.
03-24-2013, 09:24 AM #2102
I am surprise at all england 2013 mixed double final indonesian T.Ahmad/L.Narsir using victor.. when indonesian start use victor,, i thought Yonex sign long term contract with indonesian ?
03-24-2013, 09:48 AM #2103
03-24-2013, 09:49 AM #2104
No surprise brother Ferrerkiko.... for 2013... Victor, Li Ning, Yonex and Fly Power dominate the Indonesian players...
National Centre based players are endorsed by Victor and Yonex mostly.
While, independent players representing Indonesia are endorsed by Li Ning and Fly Power..
Example: Hendra Setiawan / Md Ahsan - Yonex
Markus Kido / Pia Zebadeth - Li Ning
Tantowi Ahmad / Liliyana Natsir - Victor
03-24-2013, 09:53 AM #2105
Wah like that means can choose sponsor , then must be good la ?
03-24-2013, 10:02 AM #2106
03-24-2013, 10:04 AM #2107
Then why Yonex don't give more money to indonesian players sponsor them ?
03-24-2013, 10:12 AM #2108
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