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**SolsticeOfLight** · 04-09-2012, 07:29 AM

Well, I went to test out the BS10 ... Only it's out of stock everywhere in Europe, it seems :-/ So they gave me the Super waves 36 to try out, which was actually surprisingly good, but more flexible than I'd like. Should I assume the BS10 will return to stocks?

**samsudd_s** · 04-09-2012, 07:49 AM

Better late than sorry )

**demolidor** · 04-10-2012, 04:31 PM

Late than sorry?

; in any case it won't be back in stock no ...

I see those new models are up on the website: Bracetec and Flumtec; Bracetec 4500 and Flumtec 2000 have interesting specs (2 dots balance, 5 dots stiffness)

http://www.victor-international.com/index.php?page=rackets_pro

**paulstewart64** · 04-10-2012, 06:18 PM

I just tested Bracetec and Flumetec racquets last Friday along with Kerf and the meteor 70 and 60. What a great morning that was!

All I have to do now is get 8 hours free to write up my reviews.

I am pretty sure I know a retailer who in UK who is still stocking BS10. And they can still get them.

Paul
www.badminton-coach.co.uk

**bakulaw** · 04-10-2012, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Maklike Tier

Ironically what you're describing is the old spec BS11, but from what you say the BS09 might be a good start.

"old spec" BS11?

Did Victor make the new BS11 less stiff (less stiff than BS09?)

I'm a bit confused on some Victor selection charts. I vaguely remember the Victor Korea website stating that BS11 is stiffer than BS11. While I also remember a post here in BC stating that BS09 is stiffer than BS11 (although I don't know the exact source of the selection chart).

**LD rules!** · 04-10-2012, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by bakulaw

"old spec" BS11?

Did Victor make the new BS11 less stiff (less stiff than BS09?)

I'm a bit confused on some Victor selection charts. I vaguely remember the Victor Korea website stating that BS11 is stiffer than BS11. While I also remember a post here in BC stating that BS09 is stiffer than BS11 (although I don't know the exact source of the selection chart).

BS11 is now less stiff which goes someway to explaining why Nguyen Tien Minh is now using MX70...

**zombiez** · 04-10-2012, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by bakulaw

"old spec" BS11?Did Victor make the new BS11 less stiff (less stiff than BS09?)I'm a bit confused on some Victor selection charts. I vaguely remember the Victor Korea website stating that BS11 is stiffer than BS11. While I also remember a post here in BC stating that BS09 is stiffer than BS11 (although I don't know the exact source of the selection chart).

It is very strange for BS11 to be stiffer than BS11.

**veronasw** · 04-10-2012, 07:31 PM

Victor, my one and only. <3

**bakulaw** · 04-10-2012, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by zombiez

It is very strange for BS11 to be stiffer than BS11.

my bad for the typo. let me repharse.

"I vaguely remember the Victor Korea website stating that BS11 is stiffer than BS09"

any idea which of the 2 is stiffer now? (BS09/BS11)?

**BlueTornado** · 04-10-2012, 09:51 PM

Haven't tried a new spec TW BS11 so I can't provide anecdotal info. But the new spec is 2/5 stiffness rating, if that helps. Don't remember BS9's rating and it's no longer listed on the site, but I would guess they marked at 3/5. So theoretically, BS9 is stiffer but who knows if that's actually true.

**niemrieng** · 04-10-2012, 11:24 PM

here is the new spec BS11 in Vietnam:
Shaft Stiffness : S○●○○○F
Balance：HH○○●○○HL

I found it really confused with this change from Victor...

NR

**BlueTornado** · 04-10-2012, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by niemrieng

here is the new spec BS11 in Vietnam:
Shaft Stiffness : S○●○○○F
Balance：HH○○●○○HL

I found it really confused with this change from Victor...

NR

Yeah, that's the same as in the US and in Europe as well as old spec BS11. When we differentiate the new spec, we're mainly talking only about the TW version which is the one that has changed to 2/5 stiffness.

**Maklike Tier** · 04-10-2012, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by niemrieng

here is the new spec BS11 in Vietnam:
Shaft Stiffness : S○●○○○F
Balance：HH○○●○○HL

I found it really confused with this change from Victor...

NR

Sweet!

What's the price in Vietnam? Do the versions there have the clearcoat over the hologram?

**Maklike Tier** · 04-10-2012, 11:33 PM

Actually that reminds me how much I hate the 'five dot' rating system.

If the Vietnamese and US/Euro BS11's are now stiffness [oøooo], that would mean the BS10 would have to be [øoooo].

?

**BlueTornado** · 04-10-2012, 11:34 PM

Yup, BS10 is now rated øoooo along with the SW35, MX80, Legend, etc.

**Maklike Tier** · 04-10-2012, 11:39 PM

So at least one person at Victor understands logic then!

Still, I don't understand how the MX60 can be [ooøoo] when it's the same stiffness as the old TW spec BS11.

Which is of course why they need 7 dots and not 5.

**paulstewart64** · 04-11-2012, 03:59 AM

I agree this can get very confusing. It is vital that racquet manufacturers provide correct information and it seems to me that very few takes this matter seriously enough.

Maklike is probably right that a 7 dot system may be better but that will just add to the confusion regarding old racquets and where they fit in the new system.

Overall Victor get it right but the changes they make like BS11 outline suggest that every once in a while there is a slip up. But, this is the human element and I don't feel at times they consider the passion BC'ers have for the game and their racquets.

Paul
www.badminton-coach.co.uk