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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post
    That article's got a point. Mr. TAM is (or rather, was) dealing with humans, not computers. Unlike computers or programs, humans won't always obey you, and worse: they can strike you back. Just like rogue SkyNet in Terminator films
    The article has a point that will not solve Malaysia's decline, only make everyone happy like the good old days.
    In fact, TAM's proposal was fundamentally excellent as it would have the effect of coaches and players who are unhappy leaving. That is good, shedding those blocking drastic changes away in one sweep. Of course there will be coaches and players-these are the good ones who produce results-who will then take over the new reign. This is a sea-change, not a sugar-coated one with the old guards still in control.
    Malaysia badminton cannot be saved with slow transitions, only a drastic change-over. Since humans are responsible for such stewardship, the old school must be "slaughtered", with no remains for replanting only to come back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    I disagree with this article. It is not a question of getting the current setup of coaches/players to welcome and accept TAM's plans in a more compromising give-and-take manner. Malaysia has to recognize and accept the fact that the whole system has to be completely overhauled. Working around an acceptable way, of all things, with the current batch of coaches/players, is not a sea-change but more of a smooth handover of management.
    Well, if the latter is what BAM is now forced to accept, thanks to non-neutral and non-objective inputs from Rashid, coaches, players, NSC head and other powerful figures who don't feel comfortable with any drastic change, then so be it.
    The future of Malaysian badminton will be at stake. When that time comes, those responsible for blocking this once in a life time tsunami change will be gone forever. By then where would all these people be?
    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    The article has a point that will not solve Malaysia's decline, only make everyone happy like the good old days.
    In fact, TAM's proposal was fundamentally excellent as it would have the effect of coaches and players who are unhappy leaving. That is good, shedding those blocking drastic changes away in one sweep. Of course there will be coaches and players-these are the good ones who produce results-who will then take over the new reign. This is a sea-change, not a sugar-coated one with the old guards still in control.
    Malaysia badminton cannot be saved with slow transitions, only a drastic change-over. Since humans are responsible for such stewardship, the old school must be "slaughtered", with no remains for replanting only to come back.
    The patient refused the surgeon's treatment. Therefore, the progressive decline in condition is likely. It takes brave people to accept the diagnosis and accept the drastic treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    The patient refused the surgeon's treatment. Therefore, the progressive decline in condition is likely. It takes brave people to accept the diagnosis and accept the drastic treatment.
    how to accept treatment when the patient is seeing unusual tools

    used in surgery during frankenstein's era??

    oversize spanner, rusty saw, broken chain ...

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    can't believe KKK and TBH are still together as a pair...Bam's soap opera continues. round applause

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    BAM's austerity drive


    By K.M. BOOPATHY | boopathy@nst.com.my




    THE BA of Malaysia's (BAM) spending on overseas competitions will be reduced considerably and the coaches have been asked to come up with a prudent tournament plan for next year.

    BAM president Tengku Mahaleel Tengku Ariff revealed that the national senior and junior shuttlers competed in a total of 61 tournaments last year, of which 44 were international events.

    "We have been spending heavily on tournaments and national players competed in a total 61 tournaments last year. If they are competing in so many tournaments, when are they going to train?" asked Tengku Mahaleel.
    "The coaches should evaluate their players and set targets for them. The objective of competing abroad must be clear.
    "Our players have played in events like the Welsh, Scottish and Irish Internationals. They can compete at the same level of tournaments in our region to get exposure.
    "Exposure must also be spelt out specifically. If a player gets knocked out in the first or second round, it is better for him to focus on training before he is given the chance. By doing so, he will deliver quality results and his world ranking can improve faster."

    Tengku Mahaleel has roped in Penang BA president Dr. Koay Ban Hing to help the national coaches draw up the tournament plan for 2014.
    BAM's new stringent process started with last week's Japan Open where only eventual champion Lee Chong Wei and mixed doubles Chan Peng Soon-Goh Liu Ying competed.
    For the Denmark and French Opens next month, Chong Wei and Liew Daren will play in the singles while Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong and Tan Wee Kiong-Hoon Thien How are the only doubles entered.



    Read more: BAM's austerity drive - Badminton - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/sports/badmint...#ixzz2g5Ru4jaj

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    The article has a point that will not solve Malaysia's decline, only make everyone happy like the good old days.
    In fact, TAM's proposal was fundamentally excellent as it would have the effect of coaches and players who are unhappy leaving. That is good, shedding those blocking drastic changes away in one sweep. Of course there will be coaches and players-these are the good ones who produce results-who will then take over the new reign. This is a sea-change, not a sugar-coated one with the old guards still in control.
    Malaysia badminton cannot be saved with slow transitions, only a drastic change-over. Since humans are responsible for such stewardship, the old school must be "slaughtered", with no remains for replanting only to come back.
    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    how to accept treatment when the patient is seeing unusual tools
    used in surgery during frankenstein's era??
    oversize spanner, rusty saw, broken chain ...
    MTA / TAM had noble intentions to clean up BAM's house. They are already in their grey years set to retire and have earned enough in their corporate careers to not have to worry about money. They do not seem to have vested interests (political or financial) so they should be applauded for taking on this dirty job. TAM plan/proposal was sound. You can say MTA put together an Expendables team (comprising old timers like TAM, Dr Koay) but unlike Stallone's Expendables this team was sound on paper but they screwed up on the execution/implementation and the PR part. One big mistake was the handling of Village Champ (VC) resignation case. At the press conference MTA let his temper get to him and was almost screaming that VC was indispensable and that they may take action against VC for signing contract with IBL etc. That demonstrated poor PR and also poor intel facts from his admin people about the VC IBL contact (i.e. the contract was 2 weeks and not 1 year and it was advisory and not coaching role). Obviously KG and NCC should be caned for giving incorrect facts to MTA. It is akin to wrong intel give to Dubya Bush by his team which resulted in him starting the Iraq War. So BAM demonise VC for signing IBL contract and all these went up to the KJ and the higher ups. In the public eye, VC was crybaby and looked like the victim while BAM came across as a bully. Despite VC poor coaching record he was still something of a national hero in the old days winning Olympic medal etc.
    Later when TSB and VC provided the details to MTA about IBL contract, MTA had to back down and when higher up talked with MTA his wings were clipped to allow return of VC. All that was a PR disaster for BAM and they were down one goal even before TAM's plan could start.
    They also did not get well known coaches (like Razif) as spokesmen to show support for TAM's plan in public. All we saw at press conference was a bunch of old Expendables MTA/ TAM announcing changes and no coaches were seen to be supporting them. The image was stern, almost autocratic with no compromises.

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    http://www.thestar.com.my/Sport/Badm...-schedule.aspx
    So now the Chief Assessor Officer, Razif is talking. Hmmm, The coaches are now allowed free hand to decide programs for their players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    Aik Mong episode a lesson to be learnt

    By K.M. BOOPATHY |*boopathy@nst.com.my*

    THE writing was on the wall that Tan Aik Mong's marriage with the BA of Malaysia would end in divorce even before he was appointed the talent management group (TMG) director on Sept 7.

    A newcomer to BAM, having stayed away from the sport's mainstream for three decades, Aik Mong's first task should have been to win the confidence of the coaches before he started implementing drastic changes to revitaliseMalaysian badminton.*Rashid Sidek's resignation last week was probably the first time Aik Mong realised his reform plans were not being accepted and it was a little too late when he decided to call for a meeting with the coaches two days after Rashid resigned, to explain his actual plan.Unfortunately, instead of clearing the air, the meeting had more repercussions as most of the coaches were uncomfortable with Aik Mong's approach and his insistence on them producing comprehensive weekly training plans.Aik Mong's efforts to document the training methods are laudable but it was too much to ask the coaches to prepare a 52-week annual plan within two weeks.He also wanted the coaches to produce daily records of their performances in training, and they were initially not allowed to be physically involved in training the players.Aik Mong's idea was that coaches should act more like advisors rather than physically being involved in training -- a system which was widely practised in his playing days in the 1970s.Aik Mong wanted complete fitness reports of the 63 players from the National Sports Institute (NSI) and also wanted the national ranking system to begin where players were supposed to have match plays almost daily to establish an internal ranking.He was to only approve the coaches' request to send players for championships after these tasks were completed, which meant the national shuttlers may not have played in tournaments for months.Aik Mong was fond of saying he had too much on his plate, which was true, but he made the mistake of not prioritising his tasks.The national coaching and team structure was the most important issue but Aik Mong was unable to finalise the coaches in the national senior and junior squads and the players who were supposed to be in these two teams.In fact, Aik Mong was changing coaches on a daily basis and this left the players in the dark about their future.He also made a judgemental error in appointing Razif Sidek as head of the A team, consisting of national seniors although the former international was supposed to be an independent assessor while Hendrawan was promoted to head Team B although the Indonesian had clearly expressed his desire to remain as a coach.Aik Mong appeared as confused as the coaches during his two-week tenure and his decision to resign was probably for the best as he refused to become the subject of ridicule.Although BAM president Tengku Mahaleel Tengku Ariff's decision to revert to the previous national programme prompted Aik Mong's departure, it was clear that the former international would have struggled to fit into the continuous evolution of the sport.The entire episode is also a lesson to be learnt and BAM must be careful in appointing the next TMG director.The candidate must be someone who is technically sound and is well versed with the latest developments of the sport.It would also be good if BAM appoints another individual to monitor the state development and talent identification as the TMG director should focus on his efforts to improve the quality of the national team set-up.

    Read more:*Aik Mong episode a lesson to be learnt - Badminton - New Straits Times*
    http://www.nst.com.my/sports/badmint...#ixzz2g30NEvEP
    This article offers concrete facts on what happened, and makes it very understandable to me why the reform was aborted. This type of management is not 'surgery', it is chain-saw massacre,blatant display of amateurism, and total lack of consideration for the coherence any organization needs.
    The best of projects, ideas and intentions are useless without correct scheduling. The best of plans is worth pennies if one does not involve the people needed inside the plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post
    That article's got a point. Mr. TAM is (or rather, was) dealing with humans, not computers. Unlike computers or programs, humans won't always obey you, and worse: they can strike you back. Just like rogue SkyNet in Terminator films
    especially when they $$$ get affected

    Quote Originally Posted by honeong View Post
    can't believe KKK and TBH are still together as a pair...Bam's soap opera continues. round applause
    sure,even PCC came back to bam

    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    THE BA of Malaysia's (BAM) spending on overseas competitions will be reduced considerably and the coaches have been asked to come up with a prudent tournament plan for next year.
    as if bam sparring/training quality is so high

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    Quote Originally Posted by renbo View Post
    The best of plans is worth pennies if one does not involve the people needed inside the plan.
    Well except you forget that there is bunch of cancerous freeloaders non performing coaches like Village Champ, TKH which require surgery to remove. So in this instance involving freeloaders inside the plan will only make it worse. That is what few of us mean by surgery. Removing the rubbish overpaid freeloaders who resist change and want to remain chief coaches. In a corporation, Village Champ and TKH would have been fired long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    especially when they $$$ get affected



    sure,even PCC came back to bam



    as if bam sparring/training quality is so high
    It is time someone start revolution "Occupy BAM" or "Bersih BAM" "Ubah BAM"

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    Quote Originally Posted by terranova View Post
    It is time someone start revolution "Occupy BAM" or "Bersih BAM" "Ubah BAM"
    well,this country currently dont have any attention to bam. we have bigger problem.
    u can see after 505,the sudirman cup dont even attract 1000 poeple(per day)
    if we was starved/stressed/feared,who care about bam?
    it's about macro environment,the corrupt start from the root,u can do nothing about the leafs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terranova View Post
    Well except you forget that there is bunch of cancerous freeloaders non performing coaches like Village Champ, TKH which require surgery to remove. So in this instance involving freeloaders inside the plan will only make it worse. That is what few of us mean by surgery. Removing the rubbish overpaid freeloaders who resist change and want to remain chief coaches. In a corporation, Village Champ and TKH would have been fired long time ago.
    I understand that, but besides removing negative elements, the persons in charge must take care to give a positive perspective for the others, otherwise everyone freak out and believe they are the next one to be ejected! That said, I know nothing about BAM, it is just outside opinion based on the comments here

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    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    how to accept treatment when the patient is seeing unusual tools

    used in surgery during frankenstein's era??

    oversize spanner, rusty saw, broken chain ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    The patient refused the surgeon's treatment. Therefore, the progressive decline in condition is likely. It takes brave people to accept the diagnosis and accept the drastic treatment.
    Tools may not be the most advanced, but the surgeon has a horrible bedside manner.

    Doesn't matter how skillful his hands and techniques are, this patient flatly outright refuses to let this surgeon remove the cancerous growth.
    Last edited by visor; 09-27-2013 at 12:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    Tools may not be the most advanced, but the surgeon has a horrible bedside manner.

    Doesn't matter how skillful his hands and techniques are, this patient flatly outright refuses to let this surgeon remove the cancerous growth.
    in the end,the patient will say goodbye(read and pronounce as dead)
    so who care,not ur's or mine life,if the patient refuses,then just bear with the outcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by terranova View Post
    http://www.thestar.com.my/Sport/Badm...-on-track.aspx
    Wow, now a lot of pressure on BAM to bring Village Champ back. If MTA is under pressure to take him back , MTA can accept him back but use his corporate management experience to marginalise and sideline Village Champ. Demote him to be under Razif. Cut down his authority and responsibilities so he has more time to yawn and nap. Before long Village Champ will resign himself.

    That is easier to say than to do. If the WR1 player does not support you, you can forget about implementing any wholesale changeover even though any person which a little bit of intelligence can see Malaysian badminton badly needs, maybe except those who may be lacking or has self-interest to protect.
    If RS comes back.....heck, can guarantee he will be back cos the ringgit is too good to pass up and he has nowhere to go anyway....he will be even more powerful as it will likely be on his terms, and he knows he has the WR1 as bodyguard. WR1 just cry to the top, MTA will melt and capitulate.
    For MTA who came in so committed with a definite plan, talked tough about lawsuit, empower TAM as top gun, then completely reverse directions all in 14 days, we can reasonably guess the events that occurred and TAM resignation that followed.
    And as for Rashid to resign eventually, MTA/Razif will kaput before Rashid. One more prediction, after WR1 retires in 2-3 years time, WR1 will run BAM unless WR1 changes course and runs for Barisan...just a prediction. This is MAS, the power of politics and connecting/knowing the right persons will make even the devil to open ALL kinds of door for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    And as for Rashid to resign eventually, MTA/Razif will kaput before Rashid. One more prediction, after WR1 retires in 2-3 years time, WR1 will run BAM unless WR1 changes course and runs for Barisan...just a prediction. This is MAS, the power of politics and connecting/knowing the right persons will make even the devil to open ALL kinds of door for you.
    For sure there are bigger things the higher ups have planned for him than just being BAM President . If he wins WC or Olym and retires in 2016, BN will fast track him likely for 2018 GE. Maybe in state seat leading BN to take over Penang so he may be future Penang CM. Or of they put him in federal seat in which case he may be future Sports Minister. With his political power then the Village Champ will take over as BAM President

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