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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    i think their management team is already backed up with good suuportive management. I doubt one person can change a whole organisation by oneself. Where would a coach learn such management skills after having spent so much time on court instead of behind a desk?
    I see your point and agree...I mean to hire the right manager/coach and give him/her the power to run the team within a given timeline, politicians/players should not interfere in the transition process. The current management staff (except Tengku) and coaches (IMO except coach TSB) need an overhaul, but they are still there. I see KOR, JAP and INA (CHN of course) have a lot of prospects turning into very good players. MAS despite the huge funding has a 30+ world class player to show and the future is bleak. Even if BAM brings in a PJB or Morten, keeping the same staff would be the same old, same old, Morten or whoever is the top guy, has his hands tied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    I see your point and agree...I mean to hire the right manager/coach and give him/her the power to run the team within a given timeline, politicians/players should not interfere in the transition process. The current management staff (except Tengku) and coaches (IMO except coach TSB) need an overhaul, but they are still there. I see KOR, JAP and INA (CHN of course) have a lot of prospects turning into very good players. MAS despite the huge funding has a 30+ world class player to show and the future is bleak. Even if BAM brings in a PJB or Morten, keeping the same staff would be the same old, same old, Morten or whoever is the top guy, has his hands tied.
    Appoint PJB or MF and let them have a free hand otherwise its a waste of
    money and might else well appoint George of the Jungle or Bugs Bunny.

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    My 2 cents...

    I believe that eventually, BAM's coaching committee and chairmen, directors and managers are like the iceberg:

    They only represent 10% of the problem. The other 90% is hidden from the glaring public sight.

    It has been mentioned earlier on this thread that a LOT of the really good talent in the country do not make it to BAM or Bukit Jalil or whatever. They never make it past the local and state-level firewalls, for a variety of reasons. Put differently, it appears the merit system is absent in its implementation, or that the selection criteria are not exactly allowing the cream to rise to the top.

    If that can change, then some real long-term headway can be said to be made, because it would mean that the right people are handling things at every stage.

    Until then, no world-class coach is going to be able to make a significant difference. No matter how hard you rub a piece of coal, it will not transform into a diamond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    My 2 cents...

    I believe that eventually, BAM's coaching committee and chairmen, directors and managers are like the iceberg:

    They only represent 10% of the problem. The other 90% is hidden from the glaring public sight.

    It has been mentioned earlier on this thread that a LOT of the really good talent in the country do not make it to BAM or Bukit Jalil or whatever. They never make it past the local and state-level firewalls, for a variety of reasons. Put differently, it appears the merit system is absent in its implementation, or that the selection criteria are not exactly allowing the cream to rise to the top.

    If that can change, then some real long-term headway can be said to be made, because it would mean that the right people are handling things at every stage.

    Until then, no world-class coach is going to be able to make a significant difference. No matter how hard you rub a piece of coal, it will not transform into a diamond.
    The best juniors are the ones that are champions in their age groups and ultimately
    champions at junior national level as well. These are players that make it to BAM and Bukit
    Jalil and they ultimately do become asian junior champions and world junior champions, so
    the best talents do make it through the system - the problem is, as often said in this forum,
    everything fall flat when they are drafted to the senior team.
    Hence, a PJB or MF with a free hand, will be able to transform gold to diamond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senior888 View Post
    The best juniors are the ones that are champions in their age groups and ultimately
    champions at junior national level as well. These are players that make it to BAM and Bukit
    Jalil and they ultimately do become asian junior champions and world junior champions, so
    the best talents do make it through the system - the problem is, as often said in this forum,
    everything fall flat when they are drafted to the senior team.
    Hence, a PJB or MF with a free hand, will be able to transform gold to diamond.
    NST reported 'BAM has been trying to lure former director of coaching Morten Frost Hansen but the Dane is not keen. However, Frost can be convinced if he is given full authority to manage the national senior and junior teams without interference. His goals must clearly be defined and the contract should run until the 2016 Rio de Janeiro Olympics'.
    Then Stars reported MF 'have just got a new job last month and it will be difficult to think about another move right now,” said Frost, who is here at the Maybank Malaysian Open as a television commentator'.
    So MF is out of the running. BAM acted too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    NST reported 'BAM has been trying to lure former director of coaching Morten Frost Hansen but the Dane is not keen. However, Frost can be convinced if he is given full authority to manage the national senior and junior teams without interference. His goals must clearly be defined and the contract should run until the 2016 Rio de Janeiro Olympics'.
    Then Stars reported MF 'have just got a new job last month and it will be difficult to think about another move right now,” said Frost, who is here at the Maybank Malaysian Open as a television commentator'.
    So MF is out of the running. BAM acted too late.
    BAM had TAM but didn't cherish him. The reason, everyone knows, because they have one prima donna.

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    NST reported today online news that an offer has been made to MF to become the top guru and he has full authority to run BAM and his contract runs till RIO16. What a twist of events all this happening within 24 hr in NST.
    If this is Tengku's move, then I see him passing the whip to MF to do the makeover since all these clowns resisted TAM's authority and yanked TAM out.
    Good move IMO, but until the ink is dry, what if we get blind-sided by another check-mate move coming up in another 24 hr.
    It happened to PJB coming in and going off, it could happen to MF if someone cries out loud on the cell-phone

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    From 1997 to 2000, Morten Frost was the BAM's Coaching Director.
    Having seen the worst of politics in Malaysian sport, the job is no longer appealing to him.

    The lack of fresh, promising talent, especially in MS, WS and WD, also bothers him.
    In an earlier discussion, Frost had said that a long-term project was the only way to lift Malaysia to the top.
    At least five years were needed to scout, find, develop and nurture new talent before they could be let loose on the professional circuit.

    However, the BAM is expecting and demanding high returns in a short time-frame... big wins at the 2014 Asian Games and at least one gold and two silvers at the 2016 Olympics.

    There is simply no way a professional like Frost will take such a poisoned bait.
    Not surprisingly, the BAM sweetened this latest offer with a 'total authority' clause.
    In spite of that, Frost has repeatedly declined the job.

    In any case, Frost is happily employed with an investment firm in Denmark.
    He heads Client Relations and has a major multi-departmental role.
    The firm has allowed him total freedom to use the tactical, strategic and cultural skills that he honed to perfection during his playing days.

    That sounds like a firm led by clever people.
    I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that the bosses are badminton fans themselves.
    After all, who can beat a badminton player when it comes to brains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    (partial quote)...
    They know that if they let him go, their lack of substance at the lower level will be laid bare - officially.
    What gives? Who's to blame?...not Tengki/TAM, hope not. The 3 oportunistic stooges for running BAM into the ground for over a decade, hope Khairy sees this but I am not sure he is smart to see through though.

    Unfortunately, the previous mismanagement has rotted for so darn long that there is no other way other than to go back to the drawing board. First politicians should butt off, including the cry baby WR1 to stop dialing the PM's wife. You play and shut up.
    I heard Morten is being interviewed...anyway whoever got the top job, see how JAP, KOR, CHN, INA operates, have faith in the guy and let him lead (sadly the top job cannot be a Malaysian, too much politics and scared shitless of being fired and butt kissing to protect job security)....PJB, LYB and Rexy run the ship their way and their ship is pointing the right direction, not BAM ship heading towards Titanic.
    Brilliant plainspeak, OneToughBirdie!
    This is indeed the unvarnished truth

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    Was this posted before ? :

    Wake up, BAM council! Save badminton by rajes paul


    Kento Momota of Japan is one of the up-and-coming players at the Maybank Malaysian Open. While countries like Japan, Indonesia and Denmark are moulding their juniors into badminton stars, Malaysia is floundering.

    ONE of the highlights in the Maybank Malaysian Open was when Kento Momota of Japan defeated Viktor Axelsen of Denmark in a battle between two former world junior champions in the opening round on Wednesday.
    These youngsters showed class, power and flair. They both definitely have the makings of future stars.
    Malaysia too have Asian and world junior champions in the mix. Unfortunately, the handful of them are still struggling to raise their game at the senior level.
    Why is it that our juniors are struggling while others seem to have got their plans somewhat right?
    Frankly, itís not that we lack the talents. Itís just that we lack the right people to manage these budding talents.
    Kento and Axelsenís progress from the junior to the senior level did not happen overnight.
    The national coaching directors of Japan and Denmark Ė Park Joo-bong and Finn-Traerup Hansen Ė took some time to have an insight into their shuttlersí strengths and weaknesses before drawing proper training plans with their coaches.
    The coaching directors also have very good communication with the development team as well as a good support team, who seem to know their job scope clearly as they execute their plans.
    Li Yongbo and Rexy Mainaky are doing a similar job for China and Indonesia respectively.
    All these countries also have a workable system at the grassroots level, one suited to their own demographic and cultures.
    Sadly, this is whatís lacking in Malaysia.
    We still have a fragile coaching and training structure, one that doesnít have a good strategist leading the way.
    The Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM), under the leadership of Tengku Tan Sri Mahaleel Tengku Arif, are in a mess because the roles of the coaches and officials are not clearly defined.
    And their plans are just as hazy!
    Even Youth and Sports Minister Khairy Jamaluddin could not resist taking a swipe at the BAM leadership on Thursday, especially for failing to nurture new talents.
    The BAM council are holding their first meeting of the year on Saturday Ė and herein lies the opportunity for them to make some positive changes.
    Here is what they can do:

    • Lessen the burden on Tengku Malaleel by appointing a new Talent Management Group (TMG) director and coaching and training chairman.

    Who can they appoint? Well, there are few former internationals with the right credentials, although they lack experience.
    But the council should not be afraid to throw them into the fray, set KPIs for them to achieve and see if they can deliver. This is, after all, how they do it in the other countries.

    • Identify all the potential players and kick start a new 2020 Tokyo Olympic Games programme.

    The council must be bold and name the shuttlers that they think can be turned into world and Olympic champions. And then, invest Ė time, money and effort Ė on them.

    • Focus on grassroots development. The future is in their hands.
    • Get council members, who are the presidents and secretaries of the State BAs, to play a more active role to revive the sport at the lower level.

    The current sad state of affairs in the sport is not the fault of one man. Every one of the council members is to be blamed.
    The days of just sitting quietly and passively, comfortable with whatever position you have been offered, and letting the rot set in are over.
    Stand up and speak up. And save the sport.

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    ...and this one :

    Hard work pays, excuses remain just that by starsport editor r. manogaran
    Through sheer hard work and persistence, Malaysia's Lee Chong Wei has reached the pinnacle in badminton and become one of the most successful sportsman the country has ever produced. - FAIHAN GHANI/ The Star

    WHAT a weekend itís been.
    Shuttlers Goh V Shem and Lim Khim Wah gave Malaysians a pleasant surprise with their menís doubles win on Sunday.
    There was a double dose of the feel-good factor when Lee Chong Wei made it a perfect 10 for himself by winning the Malaysian Open badminton title for the 10th time.
    Letís hope V Shem-Khim Wah are no one-hit wonders. Malaysia is crying out for a dependable menís doubles partnership since Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong stormed onto the scene not too long ago.
    And we all know where Kien Keat-Boon Heong are headed - the scrapyard. Yes, the pair are set to be split up or even discarded for good. Theyíve been given far too many chances to get their act right but to no avail. Their egos are just too big, I guess.
    So, letís hope V Shem-Khim Wah do not let success get to them. They have shown that they can mix it up with the big guns and prevail. Keep working hard and keep improving, guys. Donít be satisfied. Never be satisfied!
    Well, at least Malaysian badminton looks like it has a future in the menís doubles department.
    Can we say the same about the menís singles?
    Chong Wei hinted that this may be his last time playing in the Malaysian Open. It was an emotional moment for him when he beat Tommy Sugiarto in Sundayís final. It was as if he was trying to absorb the whole atmosphere for one final time.
    Malaysian badminton is facing a crisis in the menís singles department Ė as well as in the womenís singles and doubles.
    Who is there to take over the mantle from Chong Wei? Who can fly Malaysiaís flag high at every tournament?
    None, thus far. Yes, there were a few but these turned out to be just pretenders to the throne.
    And thatís sad, especially for a nation that prides itself as being one of the heavyweights in the world of badminton.
    Seeing the decline in menís singles is like watching a repeat of the downfall of the national football team decades ago.
    Thatís one path that badminton does not want to go down.
    Football in Malaysia is in such a pathetic state - there are so many wrongs and so few rights.
    Itís sad to see a team, or rather their head honcho, trying to impose his will on everyone, including sports writers.
    You canít write anything negative about the team or you risk being hauled up, and even banned from covering the teamís training and matches.
    Yes, you are expected to write only good things about them Ė even if they play badly and lose.
    Another major ego problem here, wouldnít you say?
    Iíll probably get hauled up for writing this too!
    If your team play badly, thatís what weíll write. So, grow up and accept it.
    Get your coaches to work harder and your players to be more committed.
    Donít take it out on us. We are just doing our jobs.
    Besides, the matches are viewed on TV and in the stadium. Even if we donít give it our honest opinion, viewers and fans will know what transpired and they definitely donít mince their words online and in social media.
    There is no hiding the truth in the age of the Internet, so stop banning every daily whose reports do not meet your satisfaction because, believe it or not, life is like that.
    You can take criticism and sulk over it, or you can use it as constructive feedback to improve - the choice is yours.
    Chong Wei has, over the years, shown us how far hard work, determination, single-mindedness, vision and passion can take you.
    He has never looked for excuses nor tried to make others a scapegoat for his failures.
    Thatís the hallmark of a true champion! Not once has he tried to cover up his own deficiencies by telling off sports writers or banning them from covering his training and matches.
    Learn to win humbly and lose graciously.
    Sports Editor R. Manogaran believes that the only way Malaysian sport will rise above mediocrity is through meritocracy. The writer also wants Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers to stop making senseless statements about going for the English Premier League title and just get on with the job!

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    I think the Rajes Paul article was posted earlier.

    Even the good reporter avoided the 2016 Olympic preparation and looks towards the 2020. Politician will only look forward 4 years max which either re-election or step down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    I think the Rajes Paul article was posted earlier.

    Even the good reporter avoided the 2016 Olympic preparation and looks towards the 2020. Politician will only look forward 4 years max which either re-election or step down.
    politician only looking for own interest.
    TAM is not,that's why he outplayed

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    Nokh88 post #1897 is what I said but I am just blunt while the writer articulate eloquently, the writer must have ace his English exam while OTB has only a credit

    That post said 'BAM under the leadership of Tengku Tan Sri Mahaleel Tengku Arif (holly molly, what a long name) are in a mess because the roles of the coaches and officials are not clearly defined'.

    I believe Tengku does have a plan, he saw the rot in BAM and the status-quo cannot continue, brutal changes has to happen...fast. His plan involves TAM but Tengku (nor us) did not see the rebellion derailing his plan and ousted TAM. Neither he saw the power that crybaby WR1 has. Without TAM, Tengku has no plan, no clue, helplessly not knowing what to do, result in BAM still in 1 big mess as the writer wrote.

    Whether TAM is right for the job, that we will never know as he was not given a chance. Tengku must be a nice chap to takeover this Titanic and getting blame now that MAS badminton is bleak once LCW retires, as if Tengku created this mess. Are everyone blind and stupid to blame this 1 chap for this mess which is decade in the making?

    LCW winning his 10th MO should be big news but over-shadowed by his retirement hint. That may be a blessing, now the attention turns to MAS badminton future - hopelessly bleak. The writer #1897 post smoothly summarized it (somehow I think the writer has been reading my posts and stole them, hmmm...any chance of a commission? Just asking)

    BAM (I say it is Tengku) offering MF full authority to run BAM, this is the right move. MF, a foreigner, his reputation, past BAM experience and (I think) he spotted LCW, IMO is the right and authoritative person to right this ship. Note: Malaysians like to blast fellow Malaysians, that is our pasttime in the kopitiam, and we are very good in doing this, believe it or not

    MF gets to do what TAM would have done, but under better circumstances and the timing is right. Clean house and remove the dead wood. I am reading different news, media said MF coming, Oldhand posted he is not..I hope MF does take the offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by senior888 View Post
    Appoint PJB or MF and let them have a free hand otherwise its a waste of
    money and might else well appoint George of the Jungle or Bugs Bunny.
    why would PJB ever leave Japan? in Japan, he has a team who are disciplined, respectful and hardworking, and he is seeing the result from his hardwork and their hardwork. honestly, i think Japan has passed many nations already, including Malaysia. The rise in quality and consistency in almost all disciplines can clear be seen. MS, WS, MD, WD.

    Malaysia has tried to hire many foreign coaches, MF, PJB, RM, LM (what happened to him?), all left within a couple of years. there is too much politics and too little job security, if the players don't like you? you get booted regardless of how good you are!? i think the bridges has been burned and the reputation of the management has been tarnished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    Nokh88 post #1897 is what I said but I am just blunt while the writer articulate eloquently, the writer must have ace his English exam while OTB has only a credit

    That post said 'BAM under the leadership of Tengku Tan Sri Mahaleel Tengku Arif (holly molly, what a long name) are in a mess because the roles of the coaches and officials are not clearly defined'.

    I believe Tengku does have a plan, he saw the rot in BAM and the status-quo cannot continue, brutal changes has to happen...fast. His plan involves TAM but Tengku (nor us) did not see the rebellion derailing his plan and ousted TAM. Neither he saw the power that crybaby WR1 has. Without TAM, Tengku has no plan, no clue, helplessly not knowing what to do, result in BAM still in 1 big mess as the writer wrote.

    Whether TAM is right for the job, that we will never know as he was not given a chance. Tengku must be a nice chap to takeover this Titanic and getting blame now that MAS badminton is bleak once LCW retires, as if Tengku created this mess. Are everyone blind and stupid to blame this 1 chap for this mess which is decade in the making?

    LCW winning his 10th MO should be big news but over-shadowed by his retirement hint. That may be a blessing, now the attention turns to MAS badminton future - hopelessly bleak. The writer #1897 post smoothly summarized it (somehow I think the writer has been reading my posts and stole them, hmmm...any chance of a commission? Just asking)

    BAM (I say it is Tengku) offering MF full authority to run BAM, this is the right move. MF, a foreigner, his reputation, past BAM experience and (I think) he spotted LCW, IMO is the right and authoritative person to right this ship. Note: Malaysians like to blast fellow Malaysians, that is our pasttime in the kopitiam, and we are very good in doing this, believe it or not

    MF gets to do what TAM would have done, but under better circumstances and the timing is right. Clean house and remove the dead wood. I am reading different news, media said MF coming, Oldhand posted he is not..I hope MF does take the offer.
    I do agree with you, tengku and tam do have a plan but gone messed up after crybaby asked for help, tam has the balls to change it but not the right person to do so. "Who are TAM to change all these?" After all these people has been living under such condition for so long, like leeches and they don't want to be cut off from their life supply.

    frost might be a better person to change it because he is a foreigner, foreigners bring a sense of mystery and respect which local don't, especially a blonde one. I believe malaysia has capable personality like yap Kim hock, to run the show and for reason unknown, was not given the chance.

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    OTB,

    Agree with your statement. Looks like the way forward for now pending Morten Frost.

    It's a no lose situation for Frost. Even if he takes it and fails to produce a player, everybody can point to lower level development as the problem.

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