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05-15-2012, 11:56 AM #392
wow.. based on chris's post... usa and sweden are more power house badminton countries than malaysia.. i am so ashamed...
and depressed.. we should all just give up... and watch bowling.. the women bowlers seems to be really hot..
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05-15-2012, 12:05 PM #393
05-15-2012, 07:51 PM #394
so malaysia are out of the table in wc
and 5th on OG
as far as i know
we are also out of the table in sc and uc
winning a few times of tc mean we are once one of the top5 ?lol
05-15-2012, 10:46 PM #395
05-15-2012, 11:59 PM #396
Malaysia is still one of the countries that is seen as a genuine power in world badminton. Malaysian players who have reached pro standards are respected all over the world. Those who have settled in other countries are very respected for the knowledge and skills they bring with them, and they work hard to promote and share their knowledge and skills.
After all is said and done, Malaysia has produced players ranked #1 more times than Japan, Thailand, India, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, England, Germany etc. Depending on the time-scale, maybe more than even Korea and Denmark. This must tell us something positive about the level of the players.
The question you should be asking is: "What, or who, or both, is preventing Malaysian players from consistently reaching genuine international professional winning standards?"
05-16-2012, 02:10 AM #397
05-16-2012, 04:58 AM #398
05-16-2012, 09:27 AM #399
Coach Yoo's side of the story. He says- he has no rights in the association. When he 1st came, they wanted him to do Plan A, now they asking him to do plan B(sounds normal for BAM). After the 6 months, Yoo says he was not given any players to train, only as sparring partner. He only wants to impart his expertise but not given opportunity to do so, so he decided to resign. He also says it's not about the salary.
Oh forgot, claims he's not allowed by chief coach to train KKK/TBH(pointing to TKH, oh oh)
Of course, we all know abt the politics, inconsistencies,etc. Coach Yoo go back Korea sure tell everybody there coaching in Msia vomit blood
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05-16-2012, 11:44 AM #400
Badminton then was very different from today's environment.
Though I wasn't born then, it's pretty obvious Malaya was a super power house during that era.
If they weren't good, they wouldn't have won 3 TC in a row, plus numerous All England titles amongst these players.
Moreover, they had to bear their own expenses instead of being sponsored or subsidized by any corporations.
(Perhaps OTB and Chris can confirm this).
Based on their discipline, hard work and perseverance, they trully passionate of the games they played.
Their past achievement is definitely not to be taken lightly even by today's standard.
05-16-2012, 01:19 PM #401
Ok, lets say your idea has merit. Remember Rashid is just a coach (yeah, ok, Chief Coach, but only head of coaches nevertheless) and there are others who wield much more power above him in the hierarchy of BAM, and at other levels.
We seem to focus too much on the most visible part of BAM, i.e. the top players and whatever happens at that level.
But if the foundation is shaky, the top will suffer.
What about the process of discovery and filtering of talent from the grassroots level? How much opportuity is there for hanky-panky and favouritism as a potential candidate makes it through each level? How efficiently does this system work? Is sufficient incentive given to youngsters (in a contemporary way) to join the programme?
My point is this: (and I consider it really important) there are many points of failure within the system that can be touched off or even exploited by people who know how to manipulate the system. Besides, the system is porous enough to allow for incompetence to be accepted as the default, and professionalism or commitment to be sometimes viewed with suspicion.
In the end, it is about the self-fulfilling cycle of power and control. And in that context, Rashid is IMO just another willing pawn.
05-16-2012, 02:09 PM #402
that is correct, the big word 'ONCE' upon a time in Hang Tuah time, long before you were born, even OTB was in diapers then
I remember MAS has a famous footballer Moktar Dahari, once courted by the English leaque and he was a very good striker. He reportedly earned RM1500 a month in the early 70's working for a company but playing fulltime for MAS, similar to the KOR/JAP baddy players doing now. At that time, OTB was in school and worked as a construction worker hauling framing wood to burn (yes, those days we burnt those wood, nowadays we called global warming and pollution) and I made RM4 a day, saved enough for 7 weeks school holidays and paid my books and school fees for the next school year. Chciks, forget it, OTB cannot even support himself So put in prespective, RM1500 a month was quite a lot of money. An entry level (FOS, fresh out of school) engineer made less than RM1000 a month and a flat with 3 bedroom cost RM16,000 to buy.
So, todays baddy players make a good living but they better be good, very good.
05-16-2012, 07:56 PM #403
05-16-2012, 08:18 PM #404
Courtesy of The Star
Yoo slams BAM
By RAJES PAUL
KUALA LUMPUR: South Korean Yoo Yong-sung has hit out at the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) for not telling the truth about his resignation as a doubles coach.
A visibly hurt and upset Yong-sung slammed BAM for saying that he quit, after a six-month probation period, because he was not given a substantial pay rise.
It has nothing to do with money. I am not a money-minded person, Yong-sung, who was accompanied by his wife Song Eun-young, said through an interpreter in Sri Hartamas yesterday.
I came to Malaysia because of my passion for the game and I wanted an opportunity to build my coaching career. But I was not given a chance to hone my skills here. I brought my family here after all the wonderful promises made to me but nothing much was fulfilled.
Yong-sung, who resigned two weeks ago, also claimed that BAM even refused to extend his working visa, forcing him and his family to leave by the end of this month, although he had asked the national body to hang on until October.
He is the second prominent coach to leave the BAM set-up after Indonesian Rexy Mainaky and this has led to speculation that things are not rosy in the doubles department, with too many heads wanting to be in control.
I was invited to coach here with the assurance that I would be helping Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong but I was hardly given a chance to do so. I reassured myself that it was all right but I grew very restless and disappointed because my role was not clearly defined, he said.
I am a two-time Olympic Games silver medallist and have trained the Korean national team but here I was merely a trainer. Every day, I was asked to train a different group of players. How am I to prove my credibility as a coach if I do not have a set of players to work with?
I informed Tan Kim Her (doubles chief coach) and the matter was brought up to the BAM but nothing came out of it, he added, highlighting an incident during the Vietnam International Challenge in March to back up his claim of not being appreciated in the coaching set-up.
I was supposed to go with the team to Vietnam but two days before they left, BAM told me to stay back. The only pair left at home were Kien Keat and Boon Heong. But when I asked Kim Her whether I could help out, I was told not to touch them, he said.
Yong-sung then took matters into his own hands.
He and his wife met BAM secretary Ng Chin Chai and general manager Kenny Goh on April 25 to review his position in the national team. The meeting, however, became strained when his credibility as a coach was questioned and Yong-sung walked out.
I went to see them because I wanted them to clarify my position. Kenny told me that I should just focus on training. He gave me the impression that I was a lazy coach. There could have been a miscommunication but I got mad. I have worked very hard every day since I came to Malaysia despite the low salary, he said.
Yong-sung was also disappointed that his friendship with Kim Her had suffered as a result.
Kim Her got me in but, at the end, we had our personal differences. He has not contacted me after my resignation ... it is difficult to trust (anyone) again. I just left without saying goodbye to some of the players and coaches. But I want to take this opportunity to thank them for respecting me, he said.
05-16-2012, 08:22 PM #405
Another piece, courtesy of NST
DISAPPOINTED: Yong Sung clears the air regarding his resignation from BAM
Yoo Yong Sung was frustrated he never really got to work with the players he was paid to coach.
HIS salary has never been an issue with Yoo Yong Sung but he slammed the BA of Malaysia (BAM) for using it as the reason the South Korean resigned as the national men's doubles coach two weeks ago.Yong Sung was hand-picked by men's doubles chief coach Tan Kim Her to help check the slide of Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boo Heong but the former claimed he had not been allowed to work with the top pair over the last six months.His job, claimed Yong Sung, only lasted three days where he assisted Kien Keat-Boon Heong for about 10 minutes during their warm-up sessions and was then only required to monitor their progress.Yong Sung was frustrated that he never had a group of players to guide and was only utilised about 20 minutes two to three days a week to spar with the other pairs.The number of pairs and groups will keep changing on a daily basis despite the fact BAM and Kim Her had stated his expertise would be utilised to not only assist Kien Keat-Boon Heong but also other back-up pairs.Yong Sung said he had repeatedly requested Kim Her to give him a set of players to work with on a regular basis and also met with BAM secretary Ng Chin Chai and general manager Kenny Goh in March to discuss the issue. They initially agreed to his suggestion.But things remained the same and after his second meeting where his wife Sung Eun Young accompanied him, the two-time Olympic silver medallist called it quits."Salary was never an issue in the first place. This is the first time I have accepted a coaching offer in a foreign country and I wanted the chance to work with a set of players so that I could help them progress. The BAM management didn't agree with it so I quit," said Yong Sung through an interpreter in Kuala Lumpur yesterday."I feel it was not right for BAM to highlight that I asked for an increase in salary and not explain the entire issue. I never asked US$10,000 (RM30,000), as was reported in the media and during our meeting (on April 26) with Chin Chai and Kenny, I had already told them I was quitting before they could even discuss about my salary."I am a two-time Olympic medallist and have won so many international honours and I feel my pride has been battered. Even until today, I don't know why BAM hired me or what future plans it had for me."It was so frustrating being given 20 minutes, two or three days a week, to train at times about eight pairs. The players would keep changing every day."I raised this with Kim Her almost daily and requested a few select players to work with but he didn't do anything. I have completely lost faith in him as he didn't help my cause at all. He had also said that I could not train Kien Keat-Boon Heong even when I was available."His wife Eun Young said Yong Sung only wanted to have a specific position in the men's doubles squad and never demanded a higher salary."I was in the meeting with Chin Chai and Kenny and after a lengthy discussion where his request to train a group of players didn't get any feedback from them, Yong Sung stood up and said he was quitting and walked out of the room," said Eun Young."They then asked me if he wanted a salary hike but I was upset as well and said maybe US$10,000, I don't know. My husband was not negotiating for a salary hike but just wanted players to work with."We also made a request after that to allow us to stay here until the contract with our house owner expires in October but BAM has cancelled our work permit and visa and we now need to return home at the end of the month."
Read more: Money was never the issue - Badminton - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/sports/badmint...#ixzz1v5NfOlK6
05-16-2012, 08:58 PM #406
this is totally rubbish!!!! we have the best coaches in the world, Yang Yang, Han Jian, Morten Frost, Park Joo Bong, Li Mao, Rexy...(sorry I might missed out some)....now we know what happened....even Misbun might be as well....with this kind of admin......we are doomed...
in YYS case, I think what hauge mentioned before is correct..someone is trying to be the BOSS in MD department....
05-16-2012, 10:07 PM #407
Maybe BAM want Rafael Nadal to do the coaching or perhaps Tiger Wood. Will attract and wow the people even Malaysia lost the game.
05-16-2012, 10:38 PM #408
lol. I think limsy and Rashid need to meet up and have a heart to heart talk. Limsy seems to know more in terms of badminton than Rashid. Maybe he got in mind as to who should replace Rashid? Never ending story from him on Rashid.
Suggest lah kawan, we will 'evaluate' your credibility and see if it is good. If yes, we will support you. If you fail, how?
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