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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    If Nadzmi decides to challenge for the BWF presidency and should he win, then it can only be a win for one party and a gain for the other.
    Isn't it telling us something that all the BAM affiliates wanted Nadzi to stay in the last election (to which he complied) and now he gets an invitation to contest for the BWF presidency?
    This is in sharp contrast to the the emotional outburst of corruption and mismanagement we read here about Nadzi.
    But then this thread, a tiny dot with no official credibility, has been hijacked by frustrated posters who seem to want to tarnish BAM officials, without one shred of evidence.
    Now, don't tell me the next thing you are going to do is to go viral using all the media sources you can use?
    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    Corrected version first para above : "If Nadzi decides..........win, then it can only be loss for one party (Malaysia) and a gain for the other (The World)." Now imagine how much he can bring to the world badminton scene, if the size of the income streams he generates in BAM is used as a standard, he can bring to global badminton.
    where is the credibility of these post when u cant spell the name of the nadzmi correctly???

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    I agree to Pakito's suggestion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakito View Post
    I think we should have a poll on "Should Nadzmi vacate his seat in BAM". Then everyone would have the benefit of getting a clearer picture of at least what BCers want/feel about this matter, without the need of 'accusing' or being 'accused of slandering'.

    If anyone agrees on this suggestion, pls voice out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gigabit View Post
    I agree to Pakito's suggestion
    It is not appropriate to put someone's reputation to a poll and I don't think this is badcentral's purpose.
    Anyway, if there is a poll, I will vote "yes". Hehe

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    Who are the BCers to set up a "Kangaroo Court"? Are you qualified or just a lynch mob? Let it be, and just allow the tides of fortune to take its course.
    If he is half as "guilty" of all the heinous "crimes" some BCers are accusing him of, then it will be a matter of time before he is sacked. Now, don't tell me he is so powerful that he is immune from getting the boot. Have a little respect for the country. Malaysians, that is the greater majority and certainly not the tiny frustrated minority BCers group here who bear the Nadmzi grudge, are smarter than you think. No one is indispensable.
    From a more international perspective, he has at least gained the respect of two continental organizations to be approached for the post of BWF president. Now, you think these two organizations are fools? Or is it the other way around? The mirror can play tricks with your sanity, or is it insanity?

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    Taneepak, you are too innocent.

    I don't quite think an invitation should be taken at face value. With invitations and nominations to such posts, a person would garner the support first for the invitation - then announce intention publicly.

    So if it was me going for a political position, I would identify my political friends, develop relationship further with them. Later, I would say over a dinner, "Hey, I think I will try for the political position. Any support from you because we know each other so well now?"

    Then, by due process, those friends will "invite" the person to the political post.

    Another method would be the A-B-C method. B wants to move into position occupied by A. B will cosy himself up to A. Then A will ask C to invite/nominate B for candidacy to the higher position.


    Please note that these are alternative hypotheses from a more open perspective...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Taneepak, you are too innocent.

    I don't quite think an invitation should be taken at face value. With invitations and nominations to such posts, a person would garner the support first for the invitation - then announce intention publicly.

    So if it was me going for a political position, I would identify my political friends, develop relationship further with them. Later, I would say over a dinner, "Hey, I think I will try for the political position. Any support from you because we know each other so well now?"

    Then, by due process, those friends will "invite" the person to the political post.

    Another method would be the A-B-C method. B wants to move into position occupied by A. B will cosy himself up to A. Then A will ask C to invite/nominate B for candidacy to the higher position.


    Please note that these are alternative hypotheses from a more open perspective...
    Yes, this is one way of looking at it.
    However, I have a hunch that badminton has now taken a more global perspective with more countries, including some surprises, producing quality players. This is perhaps due to a more business-oriented approach to running the BWF.
    Dr Kang Young Joong will be at the post of president for close to 8 years by the time he steps down in 2013. Kang runs the BWF like a business, which is not surprising considering that he is a businessman.
    Prior to this most past presidents were either ex-players or local badminton officials with a more narrow focus. The past 7 years have brought the spread of higher quality badminton and to more countries more than the previous 100 years put together. Now, when you have a good recipe for success you will want to keep it.
    Nadmzi fits the bill, unless he is "guilty" as charged by some of our BCers with all sorts of pillage and corruption as well as stealing the "kitchen sink".
    The BWF president is elected by the 5 Confederations on a voting system, with both the Asian and European Confederations having almost all the votes to select the president. The president of the Asian Confederation is a Japanese and the European Confederation is Paul-Erik-Hoyer. Now you have to judge for yourself whether Nadmzi will contest without the support of these two King-makers or whether they can be "bought".
    These two giants are not like the African and the Pan-Am (the US being the biggest) Confederations, whose total votes are too small to count and may be worth less than a Malaysian dollar only if there is a value.
    Nadmzi has demonstrated that he can raise funds, the only "currency" that powers the "universe". We do not want another Sir George Thomas who hogged all the headlines but ran the BWF like his own club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    Who are the BCers to set up a "Kangaroo Court"? Are you qualified or just a lynch mob? Let it be, and just allow the tides of fortune to take its course.
    If he is half as "guilty" of all the heinous "crimes" some BCers are accusing him of, then it will be a matter of time before he is sacked. Now, don't tell me he is so powerful that he is immune from getting the boot. Have a little respect for the country. Malaysians, that is the greater majority and certainly not the tiny frustrated minority BCers group here who bear the Nadmzi grudge, are smarter than you think. No one is indispensable.
    From a more international perspective, he has at least gained the respect of two continental organizations to be approached for the post of BWF president. Now, you think these two organizations are fools? Or is it the other way around? The mirror can play tricks with your sanity, or is it insanity?
    Oh .. so finally you do admit that you are inclined to running BAM like a business.

    After all, it's not that this BCer court have the power to sack your poor old Nadzmi. It's just a poll. What are you afraid of? The general consensus?

    If Razif, Punch, Elyas Omar, Misbun (his resignation speaks louder than words), Eddy Choong have voiced out their minds, why can't BCers do so? That's why a poll is the right thing to do instead of all these 'talk till the cows come home'. Yes BCer has no power to do anything to Nadzmi anyway. It's the Exco Members. So chill out.

    Politicians and businessmen are interfering too much for their own political agenda. A badminton body representing the country should not be politicised - sport is for everybody.

    And lastly, what about Azman Ujang? Is he talking kok also? I rest my case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    Yes, this is one way of looking at it.However, I have a hunch that badminton has now taken a more global perspective with more countries, including some surprises, producing quality players. This is perhaps due to a more business-oriented approach to running the BWF.Dr Kang Young Joong will be at the post of president for close to 8 years by the time he steps down in 2013. Kang runs the BWF like a business, which is not surprising considering that he is a businessman.Prior to this most past presidents were either ex-players or local badminton officials with a more narrow focus. The past 7 years have brought the spread of higher quality badminton and to more countries more than the previous 100 years put together. Now, when you have a good recipe for success you will want to keep it.Nadmzi fits the bill, unless he is "guilty" as charged by some of our BCers with all sorts of pillage and corruption as well as stealing the "kitchen sink".The BWF president is elected by the 5 Confederations on a voting system, with both the Asian and European Confederations having almost all the votes to select the president. The president of the Asian Confederation is a Japanese and the European Confederation is Paul-Erik-Hoyer. Now you have to judge for yourself whether Nadmzi will contest without the support of these two King-makers or whether they can be "bought".These two giants are not like the African and the Pan-Am (the US being the biggest) Confederations, whose total votes are too small to count and may be worth less than a Malaysian dollar only if there is a value.Nadmzi has demonstrated that he can raise funds, the only "currency" that powers the "universe". We do not want another Sir George Thomas who hogged all the headlines but ran the BWF like his own club.
    If you believe so much in this guy, you must at least get his name right. I believe his name is Nadzmi, not Nadmzi which is unpronounceable. If he has to raise funds, he may not be good enough. Dr Kang has not to raise funds; he just dips into his own pocket. How do you know for sure Asia and Europe are the ones who have approached him? Aren t you assuming or speculating unless you can quote your source? Isn t there Oceania, big in approach, small with votes?

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    its only o.1mm different between ignorant and innocent
    so on ignore list once again,hehe

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    ah!must be the one in pink!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakito View Post
    I think we should have a poll on "Should Nadzmi vacate his seat in BAM". Then everyone would have the benefit of getting a clearer picture of at least what BCers want/feel about this matter, without the need of 'accusing' or being 'accused of slandering'. If anyone agrees on this suggestion, pls voice out.
    That would be a good idea and there's no harm done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakito View Post
    I think we should have a poll on "Should Nadzmi vacate his seat in BAM". Then everyone would have the benefit of getting a clearer picture of at least what BCers want/feel about this matter, without the need of 'accusing' or being 'accused of slandering'.

    If anyone agrees on this suggestion, pls voice out.
    There are many ways to manipulate a poll and it can end in a farce.
    A truer reflection on how BCers will vote must be based on all Bcers, and not just those who have a hatchet to chop someone. There are 80,297 Bcers who are members, according to this website. For such a poll to represent the "voice" of BCers any poll result must receive more than 50% of 80,297 votes.
    Do you think any poll will make sense here? It will be a huge joke and a typical example of missing the forest for the trees, with a handful of sick trees claiming to represent the Amazon forest!

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    where is the credibility of these post when u cant spell the name of the nadzmi correctly???
    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    If you believe so much in this guy, you must at least get his name right. I believe his name is Nadzmi, not Nadmzi which is unpronounceable.

    Well, herein lies the difference between you and me. You can fuss all day over a comma here and a semi colon there, but miss out on the big picture. That is why we have the ruled and the rulers, the foot soldier and the generals.

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    Taneepak brings up some very interesting observations. It has made me realise that there is actually something that the BCers can do. After all, it is the money we fans all over the world spend that makes the game a sound commercial prospect and allows the associations to exist and flourish. So we have every right to be critical or appreciative, and make the force of our feelings count.

    All BCers who are familiar with BAM, Malaysian badminton, the national and regional setup and selection processes can help here.

    We can do an informal review and performance audit of BAM's performance over the past 15-20 years, right here.

    Here are some parameters I propose. There are possibly more, or these can be refined. I hope many people here who know much more than I about MAS badminton will give us their input.

    Draw a timeline of important/key events and decisions/announcements involving BAM and Malaysian badminton as a whole. Begin with around 1990 and progress to the present.

    Identify (wave) patterns of performance peaks and troughs, and measure these patterns against expected performance values. For example, backup squad of WD over the timeline period; how often they have made it past QF stage, SF stage Finals stage, in GP, GPG, SS respectively. Next step: how many have made it to the elite squad, and how many have fallen off the radar. This will give you the average performance graph, and you can see if it has a divergent trend (improved or deteriorated or stagnated) over time.

    Coaches history and performance metrics. Year-over-year comparison of how many coaches were employed at various stages, and how many coaches were rotated or changed or removed. This will give an indication of (a) stability and (b) dependability. This graph can then be overlaid over the performance graphs of the squads (above) to find the correlate.

    Grassroots programmes implementation: measured by the success rate of identifying the best talent available and pushing it up the ladder, while providing whatever type of support is required for the talent to make it safely to the next level. How many have fallen despite promising greatness? How many have made it at the next level? Difficult to measure, but we can try.

    Region-wise assessment of health. How many coaching and training centres affiliated to or registered with the national body existed in 1990; 1995; 2000; 2005 and 2010. In each milestone year, how many potential students were submitted to the national body for state-level players, and how many were absorbed by the national body for central training.

    Support staff growth and improvement: how many full-time physical trainers, physios, head coaches, assistant coaches, and administrative staff were accounted for in each milestone year in each region. Ditto for the national body.

    Backup and Elite squad migration: how many players have dropped out to practice elsewhere? A year-over-year graph will show a historical trend. This can be overlaid with coaches’ history and performance metrics to ascertain if management of both assets was a significant factor.

    Regeneration: How many new players successfully made it to the backup/elite level in each milestone year; how many players dropped off the backup/elite level in each milestone year. Is there a divergent trend in the graph?

    There's other stuff like budget allocation to signify prioritization, and efficiency of utilization of funds measured as a function of the results achieved.

    I am sure every national association has this data, and has probably done the same reviews we would attempt here. But we do not know their (BAM's) results, or their observations/conclusions. Maybe a "transparency" issue...

    Hopefully, we can put together enough parameters and data to draw a fairly accurate picture of where MAS badminton stands: has it measurably improved in real terms? Has it deteriorated? Has it stagnated? And finally, it will also tell us where the management of the game has failed or succeeded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    Well, herein lies the difference between you and me. You can fuss all day over a comma here and a semi colon there, but miss out on the big picture. That is why we have the ruled and the rulers, the foot soldier and the generals.
    If you really think highly of a person, you will take the trouble to at least get the name right. The fact that you couldn't ( even after five posts!) indicates you are using Nadzmi as an opportunity to flaunt your hot air balloon which promptly caught fire and quickly crashed down to earth. You can white lie but you cannot fly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    There are many ways to manipulate a poll and it can end in a farce. A truer reflection on how BCers will vote must be based on all Bcers, and not just those who have a hatchet to chop someone. There are 80,297 Bcers who are members, according to this website. For such a poll to represent the "voice" of BCers any poll result must receive more than 50% of 80,297 votes.Do you think any poll will make sense here? It will be a huge joke and a typical example of missing the forest for the trees, with a handful of sick trees claiming to represent the Amazon forest!
    At least 50% of 80297 votes?

    Are you sure, taneepak?

    What makes you think all bcers reads the same stuff over here?

    Some are here for buy and sell thread etc etc

    You are just blowing some hot air here
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