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    I also know how journalist pens. To mildly put it, I do admire Rajes Paul's courage to speak/pen down his mind on paper. But, they have to mix it with other 'sitting on the fence' terms like 'it's not the personalities(means nothing personal)', 'there have been constructive criticisms, there have been baseless allegations' & 'for the sake of badminton let's all clam up and hope'. For last comment, I do acknowledge it's a noble intent, but really, hoping and hoping and then knock your head against the wall time and again, BAM not learning from mistakes but repeating, us daring to place their hopes upon BAM again and again, is just plain horrendous.

    Although Nadzmi has once openly stated to the media, 'if they want me to step down I will, I am fine with this'. Then shortly later it was announced that he is headhunted by BWF. How finely orchestrated. Now Nadzmi is conveniently keeping mum on all the above, whether leaving for greener pastures or keeping his post. This is just SMOKE SCREEN. He is sitting on BAM chair with super glue on his butt.

    I do however, acknowledge that Nadzmi has a very likable face and demeanor, but sadly doesn't commensurate with his capabilities as leader for malaysian badminton. More like a leader for eternal employment.
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    I am truly dismayed by the many childish comments here. Almost every post I see here either reflects a very narrow viewpoint from disgruntled fans or a population that is not capable of constructive and critical thinking. Perhaps this is why so many more mature former posters have deserted this thread or even this site.
    Ex-coaches, players and even journalists are only too willing to become arm-chair critics. But give the job to them and they will be the first to run away.
    This has now become a circus with the lynch mob running riot.
    Look at the big picture, not 4 years or 8 years or 16 years. The key is the human infrastructure from seeking out youngsters from as young as 4, well-funded badminton schools where the best youngsters are selected and paid (yes paid) by the state, and go through a process of 'survivor-of-the fittest' to throw out those that don't make it.
    This, my friend is your badminton human infrastructure. It is an endless source of raw material of the best the country has to offer. Stop talking about near term goals like 4 years or 8 years, it then becomes one era versus another era comparison which is like of kicking the can down the street. The Han Jian era with the 1992 Thomas Cup triumph rubbishes those of other eras that don't do as well is merely a huge blame game.
    So many suggestions from so many smart alecs with some of them contradicting each other. Now if you were to choose a powerful chief coach who has absolute power, tell me how will it be better? If you don't believe me, just give the job to any chief coach and give him absolute power but in return he must produce results or get his head chopped off for failing. Now will he accept such conditions? Promises without any serious punishment for failure is how con men make a living.

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    BAM president Datuk Seri Nadzmi Mohd Salleh has said that he has led the association without fear or favour but is disappointed that many do not see the whole picture.
    Yes Nadzmi, we can see the whole picture. When so many have lambasted and given BAM and you, pieces of their minds, finally you start with a 12 year plan. You must have thought the people were utterly without brains, hoping no one rocks your cruise ship for many years to come. A decade before and till now, your reasoning is by telling us to look at the whole picture which is another 12 years. No one should rule forever, especially with such meagre results.

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    I am truly dismayed by the many childish comments here.
    Just tell me which part and what exactly.

    Almost every post I see here either reflects a very narrow viewpoint from disgruntled fans or a population that is not capable of constructive and critical thinking.

    The one who has such qualities you mention so fervently should be the present management. They are the most important as they are the CEO(s). This is why there is such a hue and cry. We know something is not right, whereas those who can execute it either do not know or do not want to execute, or has waited till now, out of desperation. Don't you think others should be given a chance? Even if they fail, so what? Keypoint here - Let others have a chance. They teach you that in kindergarten.

    Give the job to them and they will be the first to run away.
    Who? Who will run away? Razif? Punch? (passionate but sadly no more around), Tan Sri Elyas? Misbun? Rashid? (he might not be capable but I sure don't think he will run away)How sure are you they will run away? Surely you don't mean us.

    This has now become a circus with the lynch mob running riot.
    When something means a lot to you, your country's pride, you have something to say, something you passionate feel for, you voice out. It's just too bad you need to label 'lynch mob'. Are suggesting us akin to mob crucifying unjustly?

    Look at the big picture, not 4 years or 8 years or 16 years. The key is the human infrastructure from seeking out youngsters from as young as 4, well-funded badminton schools where the best youngsters are selected and paid (yes paid) by the state, and go through a process of 'survivor-of-the fittest' to throw out those that don't make it.
    Even my grandmother who was an active runner in school during her heydays can tell me that, genius. This is the BAM who is running our country's sport for goodness sake. BAM has just finally woken up to do things. Do you get why people are frustrated? Do you?
    So many suggestions from so many smart alecs with some of them contradicting each other. Now if you were to choose a powerful chief coach who has absolute power, tell me how will it be better?
    This is a forum. When you open up a thread for people to brainstorm, some will work, some won't. Then we choose the best possible solution. This is called brainstorming, genius. No one is with 1 DNA, as you so fervently like to put it. The more ideas the better. When the sport you so loved is lacking drastically behind, you voice out. I sincerely doubt you have ever participated in any peaceful rallies/protest, nor will you ever do so.

    If you don't believe me, just give the job to any chief coach and give him absolute power but in return he must produce results or get his head chopped off for failing. Now will he accept such conditions? Promises without any serious punishment for failure is how con men make a living.
    People are desperate for a change and a hope for the betterment of the sport. I sincerely feel the person in charge should be a coach. At least when he fails, he should at least know why and what fine tuning needs to be implemented. Does BAM know why? Do I need to regurgitate what Nadzmi said after the Thomas cup and olympics, sitting on his high chair and putting on his thinking cap and pondering what went wrong, without any inkling whatsoever? He does not have a clue except input from Capten Ng Chin Chai.

    I conclude that what you said about critical thinking or whatever you think is the more important recipe for this issue, should be possessed by the one responsible now, BAM. Whether you or me or the rest of BC have it, is just secondary. So now the question leads to this - Does BAM have it? I would say let them have a go if it's just been 5-10years now. What year are we in now by calculation? Move over and let other qualified people have a go.

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    Ex-coaches, players and even journalists are only too willing to become arm-chair critics.
    If coaches and even players don't even qualify to an opinion, who do you think is more qualified? So they should just be quiet and shut up? Journalist merely report and reflect what the interviewee is conveying. In fact they pen 'neutral stance', neither pro or against somewhere in the column as to avoid being sued for libel.

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    Default 'should bam leadership step down and make way for others'?

    I sincerely think this thread 'Is BAM heading in the right direction' has outlived its duration and should be closed indefinitly as it is pointless to discuss it. This is because the one sitting on the chair is the more important issue. We can discuss till the cows come home and it brings no joy.

    But rather, this thread should be on another issue already, which is letting go. No one will, or should be allowed, to rule eternally as long as the people are given the true democratic means to decide on the nation's leadership.

    'SHOULD BAM LEADERSHIP STEP DOWN AND MAKE WAY FOR OTHERS'?

    And again, the issue here is not about the positives or negatives of BAM anymore, but rather, of letting go.

    I conclude this - no one should be allowed to rule forever as long as the democratic component is functioning well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakito View Post
    Yes I do understand what he is saying. But it's merely another way of saying it is the cowdung that is smelly and not the cow, which is true. But this is pure semantics in BAM's case. You can't say that a it is not the rapist but the act of raping that is the cause, and then apply it to BAM's circumstances.
    Ehem, The Star do need to put it less obviously, which Rajes Paul does. If you noticed she has been the only one campaigning for TCS ever since he wanted to go independent. The rest of the media, just toe the management line and bash TCS. I believe Rajes Paul know a lot of insider info but it cannot be printed, haha

    The part on the Ng sisters getting special priviledge, Harian Metro also addressed that issue & played it up.

    We just wait & see if Datuk Nadzmi steps down as President, then we will know how strong his 'connections' are. The way things have been going or wind blowing BAM council should vote in a new President

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakito View Post


    Who? Who will run away? Razif? Punch? (passionate but sadly no more around), Tan Sri Elyas? Misbun? Rashid? (he might not be capable but I sure don't think he will run away)How sure are you they will run away? Surely you don't mean us.

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    According to some 'experienced' BC members Tan Sri Elysas was politically ousted, then the politicians came in and rule BAM. As Malaysian, I'm sure you know how the politics are & how it effects sports
    Misbun hung on as long as he could until he couldnt take it anymore, how many years he tahan? The foreign coaches got fed up and left or forced in a corner till they had to resign(the usual office politics, you know lah), still happening a few short months ago.

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    so who will be the next president? ng chin cai? rashid sidek?
    my prayer to all religion god,please let nadzmi lead bam for another 20 years.
    by then malaysia can book one flight for olympic
    bam will be malaysia top company replacing petronas.
    and maybe a HPD roles to our uncle tan.
    what a wonderful future

    janji sudah ditepati
    kini masa balas budi

    nadzmi hero malaysia!nadzmi hero malaysia!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    According to some 'experienced' BC members Tan Sri Elysas was politically ousted, then the politicians came in and rule BAM. As Malaysian, I'm sure you know how the politics are & how it effects sports
    Misbun hung on as long as he could until he couldnt take it anymore, how many years he tahan? The foreign coaches got fed up and left or forced in a corner till they had to resign(the usual office politics, you know lah), still happening a few short months ago.
    Sports and politics can never mix, just like oil and water. You throw them inside together and they separate no matter how, like hollywood marriages. They dabble with football and they fail. They dabble with hockey and they fail. Now they want to ruin badminton too. Sigh..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakito View Post
    Sports and politics can never mix, just like oil and water. You throw them inside together and they separate no matter how, like hollywood marriages. They dabble with football and they fail. They dabble with hockey and they fail. Now they want to ruin badminton too. Sigh..
    but this is malaysia,every single thing that can made profit
    u will found politics!
    because there are no real democracy
    they vote in between.
    u help me,i help u.
    u vote me,we go rio 2016.
    how nice and how harmony right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    but this is malaysia,every single thing that can made profit
    u will found politics!
    because there are no real democracy
    they vote in between.
    u help me,i help u.
    u vote me,we go rio 2016.
    how nice and how harmony right?
    Every once in a while, even with below par management that sickens your heart, you get an athlete from a poor family struggling to make ends meet, finds that badminton is his after-school life, spend more time on badminton than on his own gf, cries his heart out when he loses, trains till he cry, and most importantly, get into national team. This is Lee Chong Wei. I consider Malaysia very lucky indeed.

    True, we cannot always blame the management, but if the management is not responsible, then maybe in another 50years can we see another athlete like this emerge. I say this is because even with China's superb badminton infrastructure, there is only 1 Lin Dan. How much harder it will be, how much prayer it will take, how much luck Malaysia will need, with a management that is not responsible and accountable.

    To me politics has just marred everyone's mind because it is very rarely accountable and transparent. Politics can become a good tool, when used in the positive way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakito View Post
    Every once in a while, even with below par management that sickens your heart, you get an athlete from a poor family struggling to make ends meet, finds that badminton is his after-school life, spend more time on badminton than on his own gf, cries his heart out when he loses, trains till he cry, and most importantly, get into national team. This is Lee Chong Wei. I consider Malaysia very lucky indeed.

    True, we cannot always blame the management, but if the management is not responsible, then maybe in another 50years can we see another athlete like this emerge. I say this is because even with China's superb badminton infrastructure, there is only 1 Lin Dan. How much harder it will be, how much prayer it will take, how much luck Malaysia will need, with a management that is not responsible and accountable.

    To me politics has just marred everyone's mind because it is very rarely accountable and transparent. Politics can become a good tool, when used in the positive way.
    and the cruel reality is
    lee chong wei more or less saved them again again and again.

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    no concrete decision after 6 hours playing tablet in the meeting.

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    Do those who have gone insane cursing BAM ever realize that they represent such an embarrassingly small circle of unreasonable arm-chair critics? The majority of all the posts here are from 2 standouts. Now, what can two lonely souls do? Also, barring me, there is an embarrassing absence of dissenting opinions.
    Is this what a proper forum should be? It appears to have been hijacked by 2 disgruntled souls who have no where to vent their pent up disgust.
    If I am right about the small minority then Malaysia survives. If not, then it is the end of the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    Do those who have gone insane cursing BAM ever realize that they represent such an embarrassingly small circle of unreasonable arm-chair critics? The majority of all the posts here are from 2 standouts. Now, what can two lonely souls do? Also, barring me, there is an embarrassing absence of dissenting opinions. Is this what a proper forum should be? It appears to have been hijacked by 2 disgruntled souls who have no where to vent their pent up disgust. If I am right about the small minority then Malaysia survives. If not, then it is the end of the road.
    most Malaysian badminton enthuastic do not access bc and if they do, they might not have the time or the languages command to write a good critisism of BAM. I've never heard anyone playing badminton in malaysia who praise what BAM has done for the past 10years. These two critics do said the truth...

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    Pakito, Sibugichai and limsy, stop wasting your time. Nothing will come out from arguing against him, just leave him alone. So far, I see a few BCers backing your guys up(with a few articles from different press echoing your sentiments), while I see non supporting his argument, yet he claimed that you guys represents the minority.

    Oh well, what else can I say except leave him living in his own little world. No harm come from that. We can all agree to disagree with him.

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