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    Quote Originally Posted by senior888 View Post
    I think the idea of the successful teenage players remaining with their own coaches
    in states/clubs into their senior years is the best as these coaches will have closer
    relationship and pride with their own players. Also the players respect their own
    coaches but the funding to the centralize system must be redistributed to the
    states/clubs.
    Also there will be less politicking at state/club level and the sharks at central level
    will also be kept at bay.
    I was born and raised in MAS, a good looking chap once upon a time, I still keep in touch with my Malaysians friends and after 30+ yrs away, while the landscape has changed with the twin towers sprining up and what-nots, everything else remains as is especially politics, with Dato running everything...sadly to the ground Your post has merit but BAM to distribute duit to state/clubs, that would never happen. To the politicians running the show, the good times keep on rolling and cashing in, why change, are you crazy?...to improve baddy, you got to be kidding, it all about the cash and how fast to loot it before retiring. When it comes to public funding on sports or anything, after the politicians get their hands on the loot, there is nothing much crumbs left, and the remaining change money are concentrated on Dato and KKK/TBH that the clowns hope would score the good medal and you know Malaysians lar, when they are happy their hero win, they go loopy-loopy, locko-locko, mabok-mabok, everything else is just fine, happy-lor.When their hero lost, they got pissed and hit the nearest kopitiam and vent to their friends, down a teh tarik, and go home happy again
    Here is the truth....We know the states/club get nothing, the backup players making like pittance 900RM a month (with this cash, how to support themselves lah...dating, forget it unless you take the date to pasar malam and makan there lor)...so with the millions in funding, I really wanna know how much Rashid, TSB, TKH, NCC, KG, Nadzmi, and others make, where did the $$$ went? We can figure out how much LCW makes but that dude earns it rightfully, we have no complaint.
    And with all this millions funding everyyear, all MAS got to show is a 30+ yr old LCW. That is really sad....across the border to Siam, there are talents aplenty and a WC champ to boost. Wait till LCW retires, playing Thai in Sudirman, MAS may get a duck

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    Quote Originally Posted by senior888 View Post
    I think the idea of the successful teenage players remaining with their own coaches
    in states/clubs into their senior years is the best as these coaches will have closer
    relationship and pride with their own players. Also the players respect their own
    coaches but the funding to the centralize system must be redistributed to the
    states/clubs.
    Also there will be less politicking at state/club level and the sharks at central level
    will also be kept at bay.
    less politicking in state/club level??
    you must be kidding lol
    most clubs are on their own
    the state association almost never gives
    but take the top players
    and this cost €ŁĄ$RM ....
    coincidentally bam official needs votes
    so you figure out the rest, pal

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    well
    politic is everywhere in sport association!
    i can tell u so because i in one of them
    power and money play everywhere.
    this is the sickness and disease which started from the root to every inch.

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    Keeping the juniors in the state until they reach senior level is not a good idea. It is not because of the finance issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Keeping the juniors in the state until they reach senior level is not a good idea. It is not because of the finance issue.
    bjss is a national U19 squad.
    but they lack of vision,when player like sonia and zulfadli(to lesser extend ho yen mei) who dominate the local circuit since maybe 14 years old,they have no plan to send them to international tournament.
    for example,see TTY or Ratchanok,tournament they(either one of them) played > entire squad of bam ws

    no vision,no planning,nothing.

    for bjss,target are ajc and wjc
    for bam,target are power and money
    for player,poor and pity

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    well
    politic is everywhere in sport association!
    i can tell u so because i in one of them
    power and money play everywhere.
    this is the sickness and disease which started from the root to every inch.
    Err...you are in one of them...are you err on the take, just for asking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Keeping the juniors in the state until they reach senior level is not a good idea. It is not because of the finance issue.
    Why not? It works with RI - she has the same coach for the last 12 years - and
    the centralise system in msia is obviously not working as we produce wonderful junior
    champions that never become senior champion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senior888 View Post
    Why not? It works with RI - she has the same coach for the last 12 years - and
    the centralise system in msia is obviously not working as we produce wonderful junior
    champions that never become senior champion.
    Wait.

    The Malaysian centralised system does produce world junior champions. And look how many world junior champions it has produced in the past compared with Thailand. I'd say that is a track record to be commended upon.

    The difficulty is the step up to senior level.

    We see one new WC from Thailand who did it differently and you vote for devolving a system that produced quite a number of WJCs?

    RI has had one coach. How many more examples can you quote to support your proposal? I.e. need more proof... (ZZ may or may not step up)
    Last edited by Cheung; 08-23-2013 at 08:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    Err...you are in one of them...are you err on the take, just for asking
    i am cursing because i didnt get the benefit
    hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Wait.

    The Malaysian centralised system does produce world junior champions. And look how many world junior champions it has produced in the past compared with Thailand. I'd say that is a track record to be commended upon.

    The difficulty is the step up to senior level.

    We see one new WC from Thailand who did it differently and you vote for devolving a system that produced quite a number of WJCs?

    RI has had one coach. How many more examples can you quote to support your proposal? I.e. need more proof... (ZZ may or may not step up)
    RI is not alone, theres her teamates PB and BO who are also doing well and ZZ,
    as you mentioned on the way.
    I was reading in the star today that the former NSC chief was also proposing to
    have the centralise system replicate in each state which will widen the pool.

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    I think BAM was grateful and thankful with the A/C issue in WC13 MS final. It successfully shift the whole Marion's attention away from their system fautiness issue. Thanks god, most of Malaysians are now thinking that BAM is a victim, they didn't do anything wrong, all of the blame is on the Chinese.

    Yes, they think they are on the right direction now!!! 👏👏👏

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    Quote Originally Posted by senior888 View Post
    RI is not alone, theres her teamates PB and BO who are also doing well and ZZ,
    as you mentioned on the way.
    I was reading in the star today that the former NSC chief was also proposing to
    have the centralise system replicate in each state which will widen the pool.
    The former chief had his chance to do this when he still had the job....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    The former chief had his chance to do this when he still had the job....
    He was the former NSC chief NOT the BAM chief....

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    Quote Originally Posted by senior888 View Post
    He was the former NSC chief NOT the BAM chief....
    So his opinion holds little weight as NSC chief nor as a former NSC chief.

    I don't want to sound like lecturing but I have to repeat one has to perceive where the problem is. Is it a) lack of junior talent or is it b) a problem with the step up to senior level?

    Given that Malaysia has been pretty successful in the world junior championships (probably only behind china in number of titles), it seems the unearthing of talent in Malaysia is fairly successful compared to other countries. Of course, it can always be improved upon and that reason a) is a smaller factor. If I am correct, most of these juniors have centralised training by attending BJSS.

    If you consider b), that seems to be an area of greater significance. World junior champions cannot step up to senior level successfully. So one has to examine those factors more carefully.

    So since juniors do so well with centralised training, do you think centralised training itself should be devolved or the policy/-ies within the centralised unit of the seniors that require examination.

    Also, I have to add there is an argument for the two systems to run simultaneously. I think a big factor is how to motivate the athletes and introduce incentives. Here, I look at PBSI and there are lessons to be learnt from their work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    I was born and raised in MAS, a good looking chap once upon a time, I still keep in touch with my Malaysians friends and after 30+ yrs away, while the landscape has changed with the twin towers sprining up and what-nots, everything else remains as is especially politics, with Dato running everything...sadly to the ground Your post has merit but BAM to distribute duit to state/clubs, that would never happen. To the politicians running the show, the good times keep on rolling and cashing in, why change, are you crazy?...to improve baddy, you got to be kidding, it all about the cash and how fast to loot it before retiring. When it comes to public funding on sports or anything, after the politicians get their hands on the loot, there is nothing much crumbs left, and the remaining change money are concentrated on Dato and KKK/TBH that the clowns hope would score the good medal and you know Malaysians lar, when they are happy their hero win, they go loopy-loopy, locko-locko, mabok-mabok, everything else is just fine, happy-lor.When their hero lost, they got pissed and hit the nearest kopitiam and vent to their friends, down a teh tarik, and go home happy again
    Here is the truth....We know the states/club get nothing, the backup players making like pittance 900RM a month (with this cash, how to support themselves lah...dating, forget it unless you take the date to pasar malam and makan there lor)...so with the millions in funding, I really wanna know how much Rashid, TSB, TKH, NCC, KG, Nadzmi, and others make, where did the $$$ went? We can figure out how much LCW makes but that dude earns it rightfully, we have no complaint.
    And with all this millions funding everyyear, all MAS got to show is a 30+ yr old LCW. That is really sad....across the border to Siam, there are talents aplenty and a WC champ to boost. Wait till LCW retires, playing Thai in Sudirman, MAS may get a duck
    I couldn't agreed more. That is how it works in Malaysia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wanttoplaydaily View Post
    I couldn't agreed more. That is how it works in Malaysia.
    And it will never change, anyone will thinks a politician running a public funded entity with no accountability will have the rakyat interest rather their own interest must be on dope...as one Datuk quit after 10+ years, another Datuk comes in to continue milking the cow till the tits dry up. This is not about Malaysia, but in practically all countries...maybe exclude Sing, Den. It is all about $$$. If you are given the free rein and in charge of running a country badminton funding (any country, not zero in on Malaysia) when you see you predecessor cashing in, are you not tempted to milk the cow too, now is your time...honest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    The former chief had his chance to do this when he still had the job....
    He even promised he will look into the 'common' problem
    in the state association when he first became the secretary.
    of course not only he broke the promise after that,
    he was miles away lol
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