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Thread: I got sand bagged!!!
06-02-2011, 06:29 PM #35
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06-02-2011, 06:58 PM #38
Cannot find our Melbourne Sandbagging thread
Thanks for the answer kwun.
I have been looking to find our Melbourne Sandbagging thread. It used to be located at;
But now it says "Invalid Forum specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator" ???
Where is that thread located now? I was going to mention some suggestions posted/offered in that thread for our USA readers here.
06-02-2011, 06:59 PM #39
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06-02-2011, 07:21 PM #42
Our Melbourne and Victorian Graded tournaments are now located at tournamentsoftware
BTW, our Melbourne and Victorian Graded tournaments are now located at tournamentsoftware; and this is what they look like;
06-02-2011, 07:27 PM #43
Have undeleted but locked the thread
Thanks for doing that kwun.
American BCers can now read some of the solutions suggested/offered there;
06-02-2011, 08:44 PM #44
Give to each of our winners a certificate
I read again the whole thread.
Luckily that kwun locked that thread because some posters were trolls there; generating ill debate and ill feeling amongst our BCers. I removed myself from that thread after Post #107 (after I have said enough). Reading back all the posts in that thread makes me want to laugh.
Anyway, this is one of the suggestions that I think is the 'perfect' solution (Post #82);
Maybe the BV ranking system for graded tournaments will work along the same lines as the Open grading --- certain tournaments have a set number of points allocated from winner down....the harder the tournament the higher the points ..... and graded tourney organisers should also be asked to look at the Open rankings..... we would then need a state number for every player with the only players permitted in the lowest grade being those with no state number......or ranking points below a certain figure..... and what about the few people who "trophy hunt" interstate where they think are not known
You could have a ranking for each of the grades....and once again pick a cut off point for the rankings in each grade......The BV tournament co-ordinator (for want of a better term) could set the time frame for the rankings and each tournament would be forced to strictly abide by the rankings for grading of players...no discretion without approval..... maybe this is the way to go..... it's very much the way the OPEN goes.
However, with this ranking points system, it takes a lot of effort to do (the same way at Open tournaments are organised the BWF).
A simpler way (with less effort required) is to give to each of our winners this certificate;
Congratulations. You have won this event. !!!
You are now promoted to the next higher grade for this event in your next tournament.
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06-02-2011, 08:46 PM #45
The forum thread that chis-ccc is pointing you at was started by a person I let in as a partner of an entry received on the last day of the tournament -- the entry did not state any playing standard so an entry into C and D mixed was permitted (different partners) -- one of the partners was this Maklike Tier........ guy who did not bother to send in his own entry. Turns out the lady played A-res in a weekly competition (probably B tournament) and the guy played B in weekly competition (borderline B/C tournament) so they were sandbagging and got sand-bagged -- JUSTICE really.
The state body here is about to trial a grading/ranking system -- probably only add an extra level of checking to that already done -- but at least the tournament director will not be the one coping all the flack if people are moved up a level or if yet another SAND-BUGGER slips through.
06-02-2011, 10:05 PM #46
This is another 'Fun' tournament system: Age Groups
IMHO, the 'Graded' tournaments system is a Western system of 'Fun' tournaments organised to bring in players of the same level/skill to come together to participate.
This is another tournament system; It is used in some Eastern countries. It's the 'Age Groups' tournaments. Some Eastern countries believe that gathering players of the same age groups could be just as 'Fun' for them to participate in.
The Age Groups could be;
* Under 18
* Over 35
In this system, an ID (Passport, Driver's license, or other ID's) is all that is needed for entry.
My experience in these tournaments makes me feel the 'Fun' atmosphere when playing in them too. Perhaps most people of the same age groups can get together friendlier.
06-03-2011, 12:25 AM #47
Back to here in the Bay Area, a D-level tournament is usually quite crowded, consisting of easily 5 rounds (or some 32 people). If the OP gets to the 3rd round and runs into a sandbagger, it'd be 1 in 4 chances (as there'd be 4 matches in the 3rd round), assuming there's one sandbagger in that level at that tournament. And if he runs into the sandbagger in the 2nd round, it'd be 1 in 8. That's why I say, just keep playing tournament, and you can also work out the issue statistically.
After all, you can also look at the whole thing this way. If you already know he's sandbagging, you can find out how you're doing by comparing scores you can get from him, and how other competitors fare against him. You may not ultimately get the D-level trophy, but you can kinda get a sense of where you stand, I think. Wouldn't that be enough?
06-03-2011, 12:47 AM #48
Your statistics are incomplete. By your logic there is a 1/8 chance then 1/4 then 1/2 and then 1/1 chance. So in the end there is a 100% chance you will get beaten.
06-03-2011, 12:49 AM #49
There's actually another format, though not sure if it's better. Use the 1st round (and maybe the second round also) to decide people's levels. A drops B, C drops D. And you could put previous winners at a certain level as seeded players to play/calibrate the unseeded ones.
This should eliminate a lot of cases that players themselves are not sure of their levels, and join more than 1 levels. Anyone has any experience with this format?
06-03-2011, 12:59 AM #50
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