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Thread: I got sand bagged!!!
06-03-2011, 02:33 AM #52
06-03-2011, 02:38 AM #53
I am more sorry for the victims, than angry against the sandbaggers
Actually, I am more sorry for the victims, than angry against the sandbaggers.
I am experienced enough to grade a player by just having a few strokes with him/her, or by just watching his/her play. I have been in Badminton for decades, although I took 5 years off to play competition Table Tennis.
Now, I am a Badminton coach. And I have always encouraged my trainees to participate in our 'Graded' tournaments (in Melbourne, they are our 'Fun' tournaments).
Winning or losing should be of lesser importance than to enjoy their experience.
But, many times trainees returned to say that there wasn't any enjoyment that they have experienced. They get a bitter experience/taste of seeing how sandbaggers operate.
Let me quote what one first-timer (a D-Grader) has said;
I could see that there were several players in D grade also played in C grade in the same event, which is fine. The issue is, how come those players were more competitive in C grade as supposed to D grade? and i don't mean it in a positive way, these players lost in their D grade event significantly, yet the were able to win a few games in C grade. Why??? because people lowered themselves to D grade and skipped the other grades alltogether. D grade became tougher than C grade. this is outrageous....
And some players even overheard some sandbaggers boasting that they have won so many lower grades tournaments trophies, year after year. Some even take photos of their trophies to show others. I just could not understand how they could be proud of themselves if they decide to be stuck at lower levels/grades over the years.
Anyway, as I have mentioned; our 'Graded' tournaments results are now posted at tournamentsoftware.com; so participants can get to see how sandbaggers operate and wishing to spoil the enjoyment of our 'Fun' tournaments for others.
Last edited by chris-ccc; 06-03-2011 at 02:42 AM.
06-03-2011, 03:57 AM #54
I feel like the following rules should be mandatory for badminton tournaments (I've never entered a tournament, so I don't know if these rules are in place or not):
1. If players are going to enter the same event (singles, doubles, mixed) but in different skill levels (A/Open, B, C, and D), then that player is NOT allowed to skip levels (i.e., that player cannot enter B singles and D singles, because he/she would be skipping C). The player can, however, skip levels of different events (i.e., a player entering B singles can enter D doubles or mixed. Skipping C is allowed because it is not in the same event).
2. A player cannot enter the same event (singles, doubles, mixed) in more than two levels (A/Open, B, C, and D). This means if a person chooses to enter two levels, they must choose between A/B, B/C, or C/D.
3. Given that you cannot skip levels, if a player who has entered in two levels of the same event (for example, has entered B and C for singles) and has reached QUARTERFINALS of the higher bracket (in this case, the B level), then that player is immediately disqualified from the lower level (in this case, the C level) bracket regardless of their current position in that bracket. This rule should serve as a deterrent for those naughty sandbaggers/trophy hunters to think twice before entering.
Alternatively, I would also like to see more tournaments with a combination of both round-robin play and a double-elimination bracket. For example, once the tournament organizers have confirmed their final list of entries, the players are then seeded (to the best of the organizer’s knowledge/ability) and placed into pools of 5 (can be more or less, depending on the total amount of entries) and start out in a round-robin format. The top two players in each pool then advance into the main double-elimintation bracket where tournament play would continue as we normally understand it. At least this way, the least-skilled players in the tournament are guaranteed a decent amount of matches and have the chance to play a larger variety of opponents. Some people enter tournaments to gain experience, and a guaranteed good number of matches is worth their money.
06-03-2011, 06:03 AM #55
The tournament I am director of uses the 4 grades - we set a maximum of 24 entrants per grade meaning 8 pools of 3 -- winners of the pools advance to quarter finals then semis then a final so the winner has to win 5 matches.
06-03-2011, 06:38 AM #56
By the way do any of you guys use the tournamentsoftware.com site and its software to help run your tournaments -- I find it a great help in draws in that I can usually avoid two players from the same club meeting in the first round and/or pool.
06-03-2011, 07:41 AM #57
06-03-2011, 08:16 AM #58
The worst trophy hunter must be this guy, who recently said:
The title favourite however must be Lin Dan, currentWorld n° 3, who’s already looking forward to the Singapore Open.
“It’s for sure a tournament I want to win and add to mycollection of trophies. Singapore is also somewhere I’d like to visit, the foodis good, people are friendly and the place is very clean,” Lin explained on thetournament’s website.
06-03-2011, 09:26 AM #59
Please notify the administrator
Oh no... Did another moderator delete this thread again?
Now it says again "Invalid Forum specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator" ???
06-03-2011, 11:17 AM #60
I got a feeling that round robin is a format that takes too long, though it can help promote fairness in determining the real ranking.
06-03-2011, 11:34 AM #61
06-03-2011, 02:57 PM #62
Another 'LOCKED' thread
Well, the thread that I am referring to was deleted at first. It was then brought back as a 'LOCKED' thread (so that no more postings can be made into it).
Perhaps the 'LOCKED' thread was deleted again because I posted in another thread this post;
Last edited by chris-ccc; 06-03-2011 at 03:02 PM.
06-03-2011, 04:40 PM #63
it was deemed that the thread revealed too much personal information to be remained viewable. there are some good discussions in the beginning but quickly degraded to personal attacks. at this point it will remained deleted until the mods have time and energy to go through the pages of it and moderate out stuff, if that's even possible.
06-03-2011, 05:27 PM #64
Talk about the issue and try not to get off topic
Last edited by chris-ccc; 06-03-2011 at 05:32 PM.
06-04-2011, 06:28 AM #65
I know a few people who sandbagged but got sandbagged.. Now, it really comes down to who sandbagged better?
Anyways, can't really measure. SoCal and Norcal are diffferent. I remember someone saying that Socal is ranked 1 above Norcal.. like normal A player in Norcal is prolly B level in Socal. Eitherway, Age group tournament is a bit better, but discourage some players to play because different in levels is too wide..
Last edited by Rainofserenity; 06-04-2011 at 06:31 AM.
06-04-2011, 07:12 PM #66
06-05-2011, 07:46 AM #67
06-06-2011, 04:57 AM #68
1st i would like to say i believe if someone wins C level in an certain event they they should not be allowed to play D in the same event anymore.
it would be hard to do a ranking system because there are just too many variables... what IF an D level player plays with an B level player and the B level player carries the D level and wins the B... so now are we saying that D level player can not play B level so that means they can only play A?
If we say the D level was a girl who played mix then later she plays D mix with another guy whos D level and they win 2nd place! Are we going to say they are sand baggers? i wouldnt call her a sand bagger because maybe when she won B the guy really covered her and she didnt even win D.
Now lets say the D level was a guy who won B doubles, whos now playing with another D level guy and they win 2nd place in D... do we consider him a sandbagger?
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