How do you do deceptive shots?

**hello3** · 07-04-2011, 01:05 PM

Before you judge me and tell me to learn to walk before i run, let me tell you about myself. My dad is a badminton coach and I have been playing badminton since I was 5. I learned how to do everything by age 15 and am now playing professional league. I am entering my first competition in August and was wondering if anyone could send me a video link on how to do some trickshots or describe it easily so that I may incorporate this in my singles matches. Thank you.

**Ton-Min-Bad** · 07-04-2011, 02:32 PM

Show one thing and do another! ;-)

**LD rules!** · 07-04-2011, 02:43 PM

so you are at that level, and yet you don't use any deception whatsoever ? That's quite hard to believe, do you use hold and hit at the net from time to time, or do you have no idea how to play deceptively whatsoever ?

**staiger** · 07-04-2011, 03:52 PM

I dont think is a good time to try out trick-shots in your first tournament especially it is so near to the date . You need plenty of practice before actually performing the shot on court.

Deceptive shots as LD rules mentioned , if you are playing in the professional league you should know how to perform this type of shot , otherwise how did you get that far ? anyway I will post the links below ;

Deceptive shots ,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z807arNCPHs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O8AD...eature=related

also you can always play with the racket face .

Here is a good trickshot ..prob the only one that will actually ok to play in a match without disrespecting your opponent or make a fool out of yourself if you miss the shot .............(however I do not recommend any players to play trick shot during a tournament match)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMV0sv3XiBE

**MSeeley** · 07-04-2011, 05:52 PM

You will win your tournament if you play high speed simple badminton. Get there early, and play simple shots, and do not miss. The only deceptive shot I would learn is the hold and flick at the net - but this is more a case of learning how to hit all your shots off the same preparation - not deception, just good technique.

If you want to learn a thing or two about deception, watch Pullela Gopichand in his All England Semi Final against Peter gade

He is the most deceptive player I have ever seen.

**amleto** · 07-04-2011, 05:52 PM

you play professional level and dont have a coach to ask these things? yeah... ok.

**LD rules!** · 07-04-2011, 05:57 PM

Chen Hong was also a very deceptive player, maybe watch his match against Taufik Hidayat in Asian Badminton Championships 2007
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Originally Posted by MSeeley

You will win your tournament if you play high speed simple badminton. Get there early, and play simple shots, and do not miss. The only deceptive shot I would learn is the hold and flick at the net - but this is more a case of learning how to hit all your shots off the same preparation - not deception, just good technique.If you want to learn a thing or two about deception, watch Pullela Gopichand in his All England Semi Final against Peter gade

He is the most deceptive player I have ever seen.

**visor** · 07-04-2011, 06:04 PM

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...n-Hold-and-Hit. Http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...-Double-Motion There are two very good articles on this. But to do this well, you need to: 1. get to the bird early to give you more options. 2. have good peripheral vision and awareness of your opponents position 3. know that it won't win you a lot of points, but it will cause doubt and uncertainty in your opponent

**MSeeley** · 07-05-2011, 05:27 AM

LD rules: many players can be deceptive i.e. who choose to hit deceptive shots (most players do sometimes). However, I felt that Gopichand actually based his entire game around deception - rather than using it once in a while, he used it every single shot, including his clears. Madness! I will have a watch of that match you mentioned

I haven't seen much of Chen Hong!

Its my feeling that in general there are two levels of deception - identical shot preparation (e.g. taufik hidayat when he plays overhead, you have no idea where the shuttle will go or if its a smash/drop/clear etc) and genuine deceptive strokes (the hold and hit and the false motions, amongst others). Most modern players use the first type most, not because they want to deceive, but because they want to stop their opponent from anticipating their next shot, taking time away from their opponents. The second type is used to make your opponent anticipate the WRONG shot, and then punish him - deliberately showing something other than what you are going to do - Gopichand took this idea to an extreme I have never seen in any other player - he messed with Gades head in that match! However, against the fastest players e.g. LCW, there is no point. They will be all over it MOST of the time - not necessarily every time, but he will win more points off it than you will.

**shooting stroke** · 07-05-2011, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by hello3

...... I am entering my first competition in August and was wondering if anyone could send me a video link on how to do some trickshots or describe it easily so that I may incorporate this in my singles matches. Thank you.

Hai there hello 3,

Firstly, good luck in your upcoming tournament this August. Hope you will do well.

Let me give you my opinion about deceptive shot (...not trickshots

) before i reply with the above post. You've mention earlier that you've now learned everything there are about badminton by the age of 15 and now you're playing in a professional league. As you've realized, it took you considerably some amount of dedicated time to grasp all the techniques in your shots and it's not a technique that can master in a short period of time.

Similarly, like any of your basic shots that you've learned, learning any deceptive shots there are in any coaching text book also requires a considerably some amount of dedicated time to learn, let alone to master it for a better used in any of your shots. To incorporate it into one's game play so it can be executed beautifully and naturally like any of your basic shots is something that can't be master in a short period of time. Indeed there are a lot of practical examples available through any video that you can observe and writings about deception that you can read, but even if you put all the facts about deception in the most sweetest and simplest writings, its the practical part that will require some dedicated time for you to contribute. Therefore, even by reading the simplest description about any deceptive shots there are or any video available alone is not sufficient.

No doubt, incorporating deceptive shots in one's game play will be one of the strategy that can be use to gain an advantage against your opponent however at this stage, if your applied techniques about deceptive is still poor, it's better to further sharpen your basic skills and improve whatever strength there are you have in your strokes. Executing a perfect and sound technique of any of your shots is more deadly than executing a poor deceptive shots.

**shooting stroke** · 07-05-2011, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by hello3

...........I learned how to do everything by age 15 and am now playing professional league. I am entering my first competition in August and was wondering if anyone could send me a video link on how to do some trickshots or describe it easily so that I may incorporate this in my singles matches. Thank you.

Hai there hello 3,

Firstly, good luck in your upcoming tournament this August. Hope you will do well.

Let me give you my opinion about deceptive shot (...not trickshots

) before i reply with the above post. You've mention earlier that you've now learned everything there are about badminton by the age of 15 and now you're playing in a professional league. As you've realized, it took you considerably some amount of dedicated time to grasp all the techniques in your shots and it's not a technique that can master in a short period of time.

Similarly, like any of your basic shots that you've learned, learning any deceptive shots there are in any coaching text book also requires a considerably some amount of dedicated time to learn, let alone to master it for a better used in any of your shots. To incorporate it into one's game play so it can be executed beautifully and naturally like any of your basic shots is something that can't be master in a short period of time. Indeed there are a lot of practical examples available through any video that you can observe and writings about deception that you can read, but even if you put all the facts about deception in the most sweetest and simplest writings, its the practical part that will require some dedicated time for you to contribute. Therefore, even by reading the simplest description about any deceptive shots there are or any video available alone is not sufficient.

No doubt, incorporating deceptive shots in one's game play will be one of the strategy that can be use to gain an advantage against your opponent however at this stage, if your applied techniques about deceptive is still poor, it's better to further sharpen your techniques and improve whatever strength there are you have in your strokes. Executing a perfect and sound technique of any of your shots while playing is more safer and deadly than executing a poor deceptive shots.

**urameatball** · 07-05-2011, 05:12 PM

An easy one to learn is to pretend you're going to hit the bird, then not hit it.
You'll lose the point, but it'll definitely surprise your opponent.

**LD rules!** · 07-05-2011, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by urameatball

An easy one to learn is to pretend you're going to hit the bird, then not hit it.You'll lose the point, but it'll definitely surprise your opponent.

Haha, Classic....

**MSeeley** · 07-05-2011, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by urameatball

An easy one to learn is to pretend you're going to hit the bird, then not hit it.
You'll lose the point, but it'll definitely surprise your opponent.

Some players can do this naturally! They don't even need to practice. Hard to believe, but true!

**gingerphil79** · 07-06-2011, 05:22 AM

Any way about getting good deception on the overheads. I know its all about doing the same action but some players are very good at this and others are easier to read. Any advice.

All England 2001 MS SF 3/7 Peter Gade vs Pullela Gopichand on youtube is some match. His deception is brilliant!! Thanks Matthew.

**hello3** · 07-06-2011, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by LD rules!

so you are at that level, and yet you don't use any deception whatsoever ? That's quite hard to believe, do you use hold and hit at the net from time to time, or do you have no idea how to play deceptively whatsoever ?

Originally Posted by amleto

you play professional level and dont have a coach to ask these things? yeah... ok.

Please do not assume such things. I am here to further my game play deceptively instead of being judged.

Thank you for all the people that posted constructive responses. I shall review them and try to incorporate them in my game play.

**urameatball** · 07-06-2011, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by LD rules!

so you are at that level, and yet you don't use any deception whatsoever ? That's quite hard to believe, do you use hold and hit at the net from time to time, or do you have no idea how to play deceptively whatsoever ?

don't be so sure that his 10 years experience and his dad being a coach automatically makes him an amazing player.
Lots of players with similar experience are intermediate at best. In fact, I know of a few beginner level players with close to 10 years experience. On the other end of the spectrum, I know of a few advanced players with only 2-3 years experience and no formal training.