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06-15-2011, 06:15 PM #1
Han Jian's comments on BAM & Malaysian badminton system
Could not see this in any MAS media, anyone found it? Anyone could read all of these Chinese & translate to English?
时间:2011-06-13 16:48:1617来源:中国报 作者:陈锦伟
现今的大马羽球运动可用停滞不前甚至倒退来形容，除了李宗伟、古健杰与陈文宏之后，仿佛人才的挖掘已经放缓 。 曾经担任马来西亚国家队教练的前中国名将韩健认为，这是羽总组织的涣散、教练结构的缺陷以及各人的心态造成 现状。 韩健现时为实达羽球学院总教练
他指出，大马打羽球的人很多，从比例上来看甚至高过中国，但是能挖掘出来的人才却少：“大马家长也很用 心栽培孩子打羽球，可能会是个很会打比赛的孩子，但是要成为顶级球员却不行，因为他们的地基打 得并不稳。”
韩健补充大马羽总的偏差主要有两种：“第一是钱的问题，他们都花在国家队的身上，最后分配个各州的却不 足够。其二是没有统一的教练系统。在指导、学习新技术方面也没能做到，导致地方教练提供的材料往往不是国家 队最想要的。”
韩健也说：“就像现在的教练与训练委员会，谈的都是国家队的事情，但是你作为羽总的委员会，你应该照顾 的是全国的教练和训练，而不只是国家队的教练和训练，而且也鲜少在州比赛出现、指导和考察，这样的情况不是 很可笑吗？”
地方教练却又为何没能提供好材料给国家队呢？韩健认为地方教练应该要做的就是打地基，训练球员的基本功 ：“但是现在的地方教练为了眼前利益，希望马上出成绩，而走快捷方式，短期内效果很好，但是球员基本功不扎 实，也不符合国家队需要的人才标准。这样的揠苗助长家长开心因为比赛有成绩，但是却毁了球员的 未来。”
韩健补充说这是个严重的问题：“有时国家队需要的球员并不一定是冠军，主要是看潜质发挥如何。因此国家 应该有一个明确的指示，指导地方教练他们需要怎样的材料，当你成功培养这幺一块材料，就应该有 奖励。”
韩健所觉得另一个比喻是学联和全国青年赛。“其实这两个比赛性质相同、年龄阶层相同，如果联合搞的话， 相信可以搞得更大、更能够成功，但是就从不放在一起，而且还时常撞期，就像在搞对抗。羽总根本不需要另一组 来和他们抗衡，也不可能和他合作，这样的制度抹杀了其它人的努力，非常不健康。”
最后，韩健却认为：“要改变，先要改变观念！其实大马人都做得到，只要大家都希望发展好，观念改变一些 ，大马的发展会更好。就像最近的吉隆坡和槟城，也开始了赛前选拔赛和集训，这是他们在学联比赛能有好成绩的 原因，相信这样的情况将慢慢改善。”
另外，韩健也分享了世界大概的体育模式：“一种类似中国、日本、韩国的中央集权，国家的力量强大，掌控 了各地的训练培养；另一种则是欧美式的，由俱乐部培养，然后再交由国家队运用。在英格兰，球会负责提供专业 的人才培养运动员，当你国家需要的时候，就能派上用场；印尼的羽球联赛和球会则为国家提供人 才。”
“另外在中国当教练培养一名球员到国家队，国家队需要给奖金，而球员在首4年比赛的奖金也将收归省队， 这样公平的政策，让地方教练更有心为国家队服务。”但在这里“高层不惜才，就算地方教练栽培人才，一声谢谢 也欠奉，让教练心灰意冷。”
另一制度缺陷则是大马对运动员的保护机制不强：“一名球员有成绩是好，但如果他努力了很多年却失败了呢 ？有没有后备计划？比如保送大学、提供职场训练等？没有，所以球员一旦失败了就一无所有，没人管，这对运动 发展不利，家长以后看了那幺多失败者，也会恐慌，害怕把孩子送上羽球场。”
韩健认为，现在每个人都只着重眼前的利益，从地方教练为了比赛成绩而急功近利；到高层同样的心态，影响 了羽球运动的发展：“某些协会主席可能认为这三五年成绩很好，就能得到大众的目光；而培养州队教练，效果可 能需要10年才见到，解释可能都已经不是主席了，要这来干嘛？我就不当种树的那个，我需要 的是打水、乘凉。”
另一个心态问题是大马羽总不能海纳百川，他打了两个比喻：“从世锦赛的出战资格看，陈斌生和颜德财也是 大马人，为什幺他们就不能出战？这不是损伤了私人界对推动运动的积极性？其二，国家队训练的人怎幺没有别人 打的好？是不是应该检讨？国家队拥有一流的资源、教练，为什幺却会输给人家？你说陈／颜参 加比赛多，国家队也能派队参加比赛争取排名啊，你怎幺不参加？到最后却以‘需要’这理由将别人剔除，这就是 容不下别的人才。他们都是大马人，不是只有国家队才有权利出战。”
06-15-2011, 06:47 PM #2
http://www.badmintoncn.com/view-13391-1.html Could not see this in any MAS media, anyone found it? Anyone could read all of these Chinese & translate to English? Han Jian: leadership training, attitude problems big crux of the difficulties Malaysian badminton 3 Time :2011 -06-13 16:48:1617 Source: China News Author: Chen Jinwei Malaysian badminton now available to describe the stagnation and even retrogression, in addition to Lee Chong Wei, Koo Kien Keat and Wenhong after, as if talent mining has slowed down. Malaysia national team coach who served as former Chinese star Han Jian believes that this is the General Organization of feather lax, coach and structural defects caused by each of the status quo mentality. Korea Institute of Health is currently the head coach of Shida badminton Malaysian badminton now available to describe the stagnation and even retrogression, in addition to Lee Chong Wei, Koo Kien Keat and Wenhong after, as if talent mining has slowed down. Malaysia national team coach who served as former Chinese star Han Jian believes that this is the General Organization of feather lax, coach and structural defects caused by each of the status quo mentality. Han Jian is currently Shida badminton College head coach, he missed the college representatives for the state and young people to participate in competitions run by the Federation Age after the game, "China News" interview. Han Jian of the game from such a big Colts current predicament, but frankly do not want to Shida's badminton tournament better and better, because you want more, but get less. He pointed out that Malaysia played badminton a lot of people, from the point of view even higher than the proportion of China, but can dig out of the talent, but less: "Malaysian parents are carefully cultivated the child to play badminton, may be playing a very children, but to become a top player but not because their play and unstable foundation. " First, Han Jian Yu always think there is a bias in Malaysia: "Malaysia is Malaysia's Yu Yu always total, rather than the team's total feather!" Yu total deviation He said that the Malaysian feather always 80 to 90 Baxian resources are used in the national team, they have rarely used in the cultivation of the players or coaches who states: "But do not forget that the states are the coaches and players are under and Malaysia HKBA. " Han Jian Yu added the total deviation in Malaysia are mainly two: "The first is a question of money, they are the national team who spent the last two states are not allocated enough. Second, there is no uniform system of coaching in guidance, learning new technology had not been able to do, leading to materials provided by local coach the national team is often not the most wanted. " Han Jian that the development of badminton in Malaysia is currently the guerrilla, the human sea tactics: "We always hope that there will suddenly pop out the next Lee Chong Wei, it is entirely rely on their talent, if a system of organization and coach the team, talent is the emergence of a number of group. " There are no pot cook with wood Tu Cook a meal without rice On the second point, Han Jian coach also believes that there is a problem in Malaysia, so that the excavation of talent in Malaysia is also difficult: "Just as Yang Yang in a pan Malaysia has said, there are cooks, but not material, but the chef part there are flaws. " Han Jian added: "The flaw is always the best feather in Malaysia's resources, both on the national team coach, but did not take care of the grass-roots, resulting best chefs to work under because of not providing good material, the same could not cook good food. " Han Jian said: "It's like a coach now and Training Board, the national team are talking about things, but you as a feather the general committee, you should care is a national coaching and training, not just the national team coach and training, but also rarely occur in the state competition, guidance and study, this situation is not very funny? " Local coach but why not provide good material for the national team do? Han Jian believe that local coaches should have to do is play ground, the player's basic skills training: "But where is now the coach for immediate, hope soon the results, and take the shortcut, short-term effect is very good, but the players basic skills are not solid, does not conform to standards of the national team needs talent, so that the drilling results the parents are happy because the game, but it destroyed the player's future. " Primary is not perfect Han Jian added that this is a serious problem: "Sometimes the national team players need not necessarily champion, mainly to see how the potential to play, so the state should have a clear direction to guide local coaches what materials they need, when you Officially a successful training materials, you should have a reward. " "A lot of times there are many states restrict competition, such as not to participate in this competition, that the number of limited competition, even if sometimes you need to develop a national team, terms and conditions are good players, the team took, but did not cry thank you , where the coach will feel discouraged. " Han Jian also believes that good coaches have now been recruited into the national team of the phenomenon is not healthy: "Can you put 70 Baxian good coach to stay in the national team, and then placed in the rest of the state? This is more important, or even once and for all solve the problem of the coach. " "Sometimes, the original potential of the Maxima, but it does not get horses, so wasted his talent, but also to state lost a talent." Healthy living water system Han Jian think that if the private sector more actively involved in, money will become more abundant, which is more favorable to the development of badminton: "But they have rejected such cooperation. Such a system is extremely unhealthy." Han Jian added: "If you want fairness, we should emulate the United States or China, table tennis, there is a qualifier before the game, no matter you are world champion or Shiyao, if you lose hope on the expedition." Han Jian Another analogy is the feel and the National Youth Federation tournament. "In fact, the nature of these two games the same age, same class, if the joint out, I believe you can do a larger, more successful, but from the tightly together, but also often clash, as in the confrontation. Yu do not need another group to the total, and his
06-15-2011, 07:33 PM #3
its han jian instead of han jiang= =
06-15-2011, 07:47 PM #4
06-15-2011, 07:59 PM #5
Sounds like he's citing insufficient money, low quality coaching, and lazy players as the root of most of the problems. Tell us something we don't know. There is a bit about cooking rice in a pot but I am not sure what that is all about. Probably related to LCW's food poisoning in India or LD's stomach ache in Singapore.
08-07-2011, 06:59 AM #6
Translation:Not the best...but at least I tried
Han Jian: Flaws in the attitude of trainers . The 3 problems that 'plague' Malaysian badminton
The development in Malaysia badminton is pretty much stagnant and is now the verge on declining. Other than Lee Chong Wei, Koo Kien Kiat and Tan Bong Heong, there seem to be a slowdown in talent discovery and development. Han Jian, a former player from China and the ex-national coach of Malaysian badminton, thinks that this is all due to the disorganization of badminton associations, many flaws in the coaching system and the selfish attitude displayed by various parties.
Han Jian is now the chief coach of Setia Badminton Academy, he took up the interview with the China press after holding a badminton tournament himself when his badminton academy is not able to send its representative to the state and the youth inter-school tournaments. From the tournament he organized, Han Jian learned a lot about the current state of Malaysian badminton. Han Jian did not want to hope for the tournament organized by Setia Badminton Academy to get better with time because the more you hope for the lesser you get.
Han Jian point out that there are a lot of people who play badminton in Malaysia, if you look from the perspective of population ratio, the ratio is even higher than China's. However, there are only very few talents that came out of this group of Malaysian players. Han Jian:" Malaysian parents put a lot of effort in trying to train their kids in playing badminton. However, most of these kids are only good in playing competition and can never be world class players as they don't have a very strong foundation in techniques and skills."
First of all, Han Jian thinks that there is a defects in BAM management : “BAM should be the badminton association for the Malaysia, the whole nation and not the badminton association for the national team alone. (Note lost in translation, someone with better translation skill can possibly help)
Differences between badminton associations
In his opinion, BAM spend about 80 to 90% of their resources on the national team. They rarely put any funds in nurturing and training the state players or even the coaches in their respective states badminton associations. Han Jian:" But please do not forget that all the players and coaches from the state badminton associations are under BAM as well."
Han Jian explained that:" The first difference between state badminton association and BAM is in term of funding, they spend almost everything on the elite and national team. There is simply not enough money left for the state badminton associations. The second differences between these two types of badminton associations are the coaching staffs. They simply do not have a very good and uniform coaching system across the state badminton associations. Sometimes the coaches could not even impart proper techniques to the state players. As a result, the local coaches could not feed players who are ideal for the national team." The only way out from such a faulty coaching system is: the badminton in Malaysia rely alot on the masses. "We all hope and pray that the next Lee Chong Wei will suddenly appear from nowhere. However, this has to come entirely form the player's talents. If Malaysia has a proper and organized training system and coaching team, talents will come in batches every year, just like what we seen in China.
A team of Chefs with utensils but no ingredients
Regarding about the second problem, Han Jian feel that the problems are with Malaysian coaches which make talents development in Malaysia difficult:" Just like the metaphor mentioned by Yang Yang; Malaysia have the utensil, chefs but no ingredients. But there are some defects with this group of chefs (coaches) too."
Han Jian explained:" The defects are BAM reserve all the best resources and coaches in the national team and does not look afar the grass root level. As a result, the best chefs could not cook properly because their helpers could not provide them with good ingredients (players).
Han Jian:" For example, the coaching and training committee (CTC) only talks about the thing in national team (elite players). However, you are committee members who are suppose to oversee the operation of the work and training of the whole nation and not only supervise the coaches and players in the national team alone. I rarely seen any of these CTC members appearing in inter-states tournaments to collect information and give instructions to the state badminton associations. Don't you think that this is ridiculous?"
Why the local coaches were unable to feed good players to the national team? In Han Jian’s opinion, what the local coaches should train the players so that they have build a strong foundation in basic skills: “However, everyone is profit driven these days, they only see the short term benefits. In order to train the players up quick, they use the short cut to train their players. However, as mentioned, these training methods are only good for short term, as the players do not have a proper techniques, they are unable to meet the standard of national team. Although the parents are happy with their children results in the local tournaments, these players will not go far in the future.”
Han Jian explained that this is a vey serious problem: “Sometimes the national team does not necessary only want a champion. What they want is to see is some potential in these young players. As such, the governing body should give a clear instruction, telling the local coaches what sort of players they need. If a local coach is able to produce such players, reward such be given to that coach.”
“There are also a lot of restrictions in the region tournaments in every state. For example, some players are not allowed to participate certain tournaments; the other tournaments have a limit on the number of participants. Even if you are able to nurture good players who meet the national team requirement, those players will be snatched away by the national team without any form of appreciation. Sometimes, the local coaches will feel frustrated because of that.”
Han Jian also thinks that, the situation of having all the good coaches in the national team is unhealthy: “Could we reserve just 70% of the good coaches in the national team and locate all the other coaches in other states? This is important as this could solve the problem in our coaching system.”
“There are times that talented players could not meet a good coach. This is a waste of resources and also causes the nation to lose a talent.”
A sound system is the key
Han Jian think that if the private sector is more involved in the sport, the funding will be sufficient, and this helps the development of the Malaysian badminton: “However the badminton associations rejected this sort of cooperation. This sort of system is extremely unhealthy.”
Han Jian: “If you wanna be fair, Malaysia should take note from US or China’s table tennis, there is always a selection tournament before major tournaments. Regardless of whether you are a world champion, if you did not perform up to mark, you are out.”
The other analogy came from the interstate and nationwide youth competitions. “Actually there are similarities in these two types of tournaments, the age groups are the same. If they cohost the tournaments at the same time, they can make it a much bigger tournament and I believe it will be more successful. However, they never think of hosting them together and the dates of these tournaments always clash with each other and they are competing against each other for players and resources. BAM does not need another organization to compete against them and you can forget about cooperating with them. This sort of system will only put the effort from other parties down the drain, and is extremely unhealthy.”
Lastly, Han Jian said: “ It has to be changed, the attitude and outlook! I think Malaysians can do it as long as everyone work for the betterment of the Malaysian badminton. Change those rigid outlook and system and things will get better. Just take a look at Kuala Lumpur and Penang, they have started to organized selection tournament and centralized training before major tournaments. This is why these 2 could always perform in the inter-state tournaments. I believe this situation will improve with time.
The defect in the sports system
Other than this, Han Jian also talks about the sport systems across the world: “The first system is similar to what China, Japan and Korea have. There is a centralized governing organization; this governing body has the veto to control the training programme across the nation. The other system is more atune to American-European style, the players are train by local clubs and the players are pass to the national team later on. In England, the clubs will take responsibility in providing professional trainers and training to the athletes. Whenever the national team need a player, clubs will be able to provide one. In Indonesia, clubs will hold league and provide talents to the national team.”
However, Malaysian system is different. Only the national team is professional ad train fulltime, the state teams and coaches are not training on fulltime basis. : “We do not have professional league games and the national team does not care much about how those people who work under them perform. Can you see it now? Malaysian professional team is supported by amateurs teams (refering to state teams), there is a missing link in the middle layer, and is a defect in the our professional badminton structure.
Coaches are ignored
Han Jian said that if a badminton team wants good results, the coaches are equally important: “In China, the status of national coaches is base on their charges’ results; For the local coaches, your status wil depend on how many players have you feed into the national team.”
Han Jian continued:“ You will normally see local coaches in the major competitions of China. This is to give them appreciation for what they did to the nation; the second is to give them the opportunity to learn the latest techniques and knowledge in badminton. For Malaysia, you will see officers or managers travelling with the national team. However, these officers and managers have no role in training the national players.”
“The other thing about the China national team is, whenever a local coach provide a player to the national team, the national team will need to give reward to the state associations. And the prize money of the players in the first 4 years of their career will go to the state badminton associations. I think this is a fairer system and also motivate the local coaches to work harder for the nation. However, BAM management does not value talents, even if the local coaches do provide talents for the national teams, they won’t even say a thank you. This has greatly disappoints a lot of local coaches.”
The other defect is Malaysia does not protect their professional players very well: “It is always good if a athletes can perform but what if they fail after training for years? Is there a backup plan for them like guarantee them a place in national university or other specialist training programme? None. So, players will not have anything left in their life if failed. Nobody cares. And this is not good for sport development. What will the parent say when they see that there are so many players who cannot make the cut? They will panic and discourage their children from taking badminton as a career.”
Selfish attitude is damaging the sport
Han Jian thinks that the third point which affects the Malaysian sport is the attitude we have towards the sport in general. Han Jian thinks that almost everyone is profit driven these days. From local coaches taking the shortcut to see short term success to the selfish attitude of top management, this has greatly hamper the development of sport: “Certain presidents from the badminton association thinks that their current results are already decent and already win the acknowledgement of the public; to develop a even better local coach takes at least 10 years and by that time you are probably not reporting to the same president in the badminton association anymore. Why bothered to work hard? That person can always choose to slack off and not be the one who planted the seed.
A better system
“The local coaches will think that is alright to maintain their current results. Even if their players fail in the national team, is none of their business. Because they are not going to get any reward nor punishment from the BAM.”
Han Jian thinks that: “We need a more systematic policy, regardless of who is the president, the policy will be implemented. This is the only system that will guarantee that there is no time gap in producing talents.
The other problem is BAM is not tolerant to diversity, Han Jian makes an example: “Let’s us take about the MD qualification for World championship. Gan Teik Chai and Tan Bin Shen are Malaysians, why can’t they be the one to represent Malaysia? Excluding them from World Championship will only hinder the private sector from investing in the sport. The other question is, why the players in national team is not playing better than the professional players? Should they be doing some soul searching and review their mistakes? You could claim that Gan/Tan have more tournaments. However, BAM could do the same and send their players to more tournaments and rake up more ranking points. Why don’t BAM do it? BAM only exclude others at the last minute in the name of national interest. This is a selfish act of not able to tolerate or accommodate talents from other organizations. Gan and Tan are Malaysians too; it is not only the players from national team who has the right to play for Malaysia.”
08-07-2011, 07:20 AM #7
BAM is handled by a bunch of monkeys with short term vision....In their hands, Malaysian talent will be washed down the drain just like that..... They narrow down the participation in badminton to all layers of society and only train the elite.....That is why talent is so limited.....They should make participation available in every level to public and reward coaches who produce talent. BAM seriously need to be handled by players or ex players who understand and not 'adminstrators' or 'politicians'. They should also learn effecive talent development as in other countries and not be like 'frogs under coconut husk'. If not, our future in badminton will be superceded by nations like Japan who are rising up.
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08-07-2011, 08:08 AM #8
National interest-vs-Badminton interest
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08-07-2011, 03:10 PM #9
just stop wasting time on something never change
their era will end soon.
08-07-2011, 03:22 PM #10
HJ hits the bullseye in pointing out the flaws in malaysian badminton. But to implement what HJ said would mean NCC, Kenny Goh and Nadzmi would have to give up their power. Ever heard of the phase "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" and "Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it".
Do you think Nadzmi, NCC and Kenny Goh would admit they are wrong and HJ is right. The reverse "How dare you tell us what to do" would be their response. To do what HJ said would mean to give up their unchallenged right to entitlement, absolute power and total control in running BAM. With Maybank windfall, these trio has no long term vision how to spend it to better this sport.
As for investing in state BA and increasing the paycheque of the players, or planning for the players future, heck these are the players' problem, they are stupid to join in the first place and anyway their parents will help them sort it out when they are not needed at BAM anymore. Some ladies players in BAM quit to pursue studies overseas a few years ago, it proves ladies are smarter than men.
The Elite players, except for playing in some GP and national meets or serving as training partners for LCW, what's the future behold? I still can't believe when Limsy or Eagle posted TCS salary is RM1000 a month, Bata James trip to London is many times that. Why not send TCS to London to learn instead of Bata James, it can only help his game after all he is an Elite player?
If LCW wins the WC11, NCC, Bata James, Nadzmi, and the rest of the entourage will jump up and down, mission accomplished...if LCW bomb out, they will jump right out of the band wagon. This high performance whatever that means is really a way to pay off someone, you scratch my back and I scratch yours. MAS needs a credible person to run this business. HJ makes a good one, hate him for all you want LYB would be the best one but BAM will never change as long as MAS badminton is second fiddle to politics, power and money talk.
08-08-2011, 01:43 AM #11
Liked your post, uncle OTB
So how do you rate LCW's chances in this year WC?
08-08-2011, 01:57 AM #12
08-08-2011, 06:25 AM #13
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08-08-2011, 09:09 AM #15
Since BAM budget is doubled now and can send non playing personnels to London party time, and these are elite players, they should be paid more. Players have short careers, when they are done playing, the paycheck stopped unlike you or me can work till retirement/fired and have annual increases.
If BAM is serious or know what they are doing, the players are the key components and should be taken care first before these buddy, buddy, spread the loot around, non playing personnels.
08-11-2011, 12:03 AM #16
08-11-2011, 12:13 AM #17
mod, this han jiang, han jiang thing is annoying me. Can change to han jian? han jiang han jiang, jiang, jiang..... lol...
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