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  • yes. postponing WC was a good decision

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  • no. WC should have been held as scheduled.

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    I think it was the right decision.

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    Originally posted by Cheung

    Aparently, the mortality for other types on 'known' pneumonia is 14-15%......
    Do these "known" pneumonia have good ways to prevent/avoid? And how
    contagious are they? I know I'm some what off topic here...

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    I'm not about to debate the relative risks of SARS because I am not an expert. This is why I think the IBF should have listened to the experts in UK government, UK sport, WHO, and it seems at the time the balance of expert opinion was that there waere no travel restrictions and events could go ahead in UK

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    On toilet wall somewhere in England :

    Be alert, the country needs lerts.
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    Maybe explains why Msia is so successful in checking disease.
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    England may not have experienced the SARS outbreak as some other unfortunate countries such as Singapore and Hong Kong, but if Birmingham were to go ahead with the scheduled WC, England will be exposed to the virus from visitors and possibly players of SARS infected countries. It was the "open" free travel policy that brought both S'pore, HK and other countries to their present calamity. Initially, we thought that the virus can be contained and therefore were more relaxed. Not until the number of cases snowballed and more deaths occured.

    As Bbn has just hightlighted, the virus has a 4-day lifespan and will not be able to recognize whether you are a world-class badminton player and therefore should be avoided. The virus attacks everybody - young and old, strong and weak.

    Postpone the WC I agree, before anything untoward happens and brings a bad name to World Badminton, the IBF and England. Human lives are too precious to be taken away innocently. No amount of money or profits can bring happiness back to SARs affected families if deaths continue to mount. Not until we know more about this much-dreaded disease and find a solution to defeat it.

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    Originally posted by Loh
    England may not have experienced the SARS outbreak as some other unfortunate countries such as Singapore and Hong Kong, but if Birmingham were to go ahead with the scheduled WC, England will be exposed to the virus from visitors and possibly players of SARS infected countries. It was the "open" free travel policy that brought both S'pore, HK and other countries to their present calamity. Initially, we thought that the virus can be contained and therefore were more relaxed. Not until the number of cases snowballed and more deaths occured.
    Sigh, it's not a case of 'will be exposed to virus'. It has already happened!! Other countries have had open travel policy and do not have the widespread situation occuring. Please be rational. I might like to add that there are many people travelling around, and yet, we have not seen the widespread snowballing effect as initially first feared.

    There are four main areas to control this disease so far:
    1) hospitals - that means stringent infection control and very restricted visiting rights
    2) travel - health checks including temperature.
    3) personal hygiene
    4) frequent cleaning with bleach/disinfectants

    As I recommended before, health and temperature checks should be instituted if the WC had gone ahead. It could have taken place, if reasonable precuations had been instituted - and no, that does not mean wearing a surgical mask. How many people in S'pore, M'sia, Toronto do you see wearing a surgical mask outside hospital?
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    Is a person supposed to be quaratined at home

    capable of carrying virus? Is it possible to monitor

    the movements of suspects even in law-abiding Singapore?
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    Default Re: IBF over reacted

    Originally posted by colin
    The IBF's decision to postpone the WC is another example of over-reaction to SARS. Provided they screen the players in their home countries beforehand there shouldn't be any risk.

    I would have thought that super fit athletes like the world class players who have been training intensively for the WC are not likely to have SARS anyway.....
    To me, "over-reacting" is much better than "no react".

    As for now, SARS is almost "unstoppable" (w/o no proper medicine, operation, procedures to deal with). With such a big events (international), while gathering thousands of athletes, coaches, and fans, is surely putting UK and the ppl into much higher risk.

    As a baddy fan, it's of course very sad to me to see such an even got postponded. However, is it really worth to put thousands (and possibly "snowballed" later on) lives in risk? No, not at all. Plus, there's a big chance, a lot of top players, coaches, and die hard fans won't dare to show up anyway. Who wants to be sentenced to dead, just for a trophy 2 months ealier? Excuse me for an example. Say, u r watching the intensive games. However, one fan (to be more scary, say, looks like asian) kinda kept coughing next to u? What's ur reaction? Leave asap? Or, just think, "nah, regular flu or allergy???" Surely somehow get bothered a little bit, and won't be able to fully enjoy the events, right?

    For the "health" part, the research shows SARS acting less dangerous on young children than adults. Therefore, the majority crew (95%+) are the "high risk" range. Also, if doctors (at least 1 in TH and another one in HK or TW already) and nurses who are experts dealing with diseases, and have all the access to facilities and medicines could be infacted and killed, then good healty athletes won't be an exception, either.

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    Default Re: Re: IBF over reacted

    Originally posted by LazyBuddy
    To me, "over-reacting" is much better than "no react".

    As for now, SARS is almost "unstoppable" (w/o no proper medicine, operation, procedures to deal with). With such a big events (international), while gathering thousands of athletes, coaches, and fans, is surely putting UK and the ppl into much higher risk.

    For the "health" part, the research shows SARS acting less dangerous on young children than adults. Therefore, the majority crew (95%+) are the "high risk" range. Also, if doctors (at least 1 in TH and another one in HK or TW already) and nurses who are experts dealing with diseases, and have all the access to facilities and medicines could be infacted and killed, then good healty athletes won't be an exception, either.
    I understand your concern about the lack of a cure for SARS, but again I will stick to my initial assertion that this is an over reaction. If the authorities are so concerned about the spread of SARS in UK, then why not cancel the football (soccer) matches where thousands of people gather in very vocal support of their teams? Another point is that the badminton WC is not the Olympics so I doubt if "thousands" of athletes will turn up.

    The doctors and nurses who were infected were in direct and very close contact with confirmed SARS patients in intensive care, and most were infected in the early stages of the outbreak before much was known about the transmission of the virus. There is no comparison of this scenario with attending a sports event in a country where SARS is NOT a major health problem. Again, I say this is an over reaction!

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    As an aside, looks like the votes are quite balanced so far.

    Does the S/W have any safeguard to guarantee each member to
    one and only one vote per thread?

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    Originally posted by raymond
    As an aside, looks like the votes are quite balanced so far.

    Does the S/W have any safeguard to guarantee each member to
    one and only one vote per thread?
    try to vote again...

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    Errrr, I've refrained from voting so far because I'm not really sure what I feel. On one hand, of course I want the tourney to go on as I've been waiting so long for this(and silently cheering for CH and XXZ as well). On the other, it would be a tremendous blow to the game if players fell ill, especially if they included my favorites. I just hope SARS is solved quickly and international baddy schedule gets right back on track. Still no vote yet though...

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    Like Lazybuddy and others, I still prefer "prevention is better than cure" and to err on the side of caution.

    Cheung has made a strong case of putting in place the number of preventive measures to combat and isolate Sars and indeed many more countries have been advised by WHO to put them into action. But, despite so-called expert advice and such measures being adopted, Sars still persists.

    As Sars originated from China and the Chinese are almost at every nook and corner of the world, it would appear that no country can be immuned from it. Europe has the least number of cases and no deaths so far (Britian has 6 and even faraway NZ has one), but for how long can this situation remain is left to be seen. Not only must the government be resolute in implementing WHO measures but the people must be disciplined enough to adhere to set rules to ensure that there is no leakage. With people breaking quarantine orders and going about infecting others, there will be no end to the problem, as is reported to be rampant in China!

    Even Taiwan, which should have benefitted from the experience of other Sars-infected countries since Sars invaded her shores only recently, is now getting a serious case of Sars outbreak which shows no signs of abating. Sars cases have tripled to 116 in just under 2 weeks and with 2 more deaths yesterday, the death toll has swelled to 10. And the main reason is that there was rampant violation of quarantine orders.

    What would have been the scenario like at Birmingham? You can't prevent badminton fanatics from the Asian countries from attending the WC. The spectator numbers may be smaller but all you need is one Sars carrier to cause untold misery to others should he succeed in infecting them. Remember, you may have excellent preventive measures in place, but human behaviour may not be ideal. Then the Sars cases in the UK may no longer be in single digit any more. In fact, even without the WC, the numbers will increase.

    So, why invite trouble if you can avoid it?

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    Originally posted by Loh
    So, why invite trouble if you can avoid it?
    Exactly, but cancelling the tournament is only one measure. There are other ways in which to tackle the problem.

    If you are going to cancel because of SARS, then other sports meets should follow suit. Like was mentioned before, those larger gatherings at baseball, basketball, soccer are going to be at just as high risk.

    Taiwan's quarantine measures are less that ideal. The way they did it was very draconian and unneccessary, IMHO. Just look at their information dissemination. Medical staff were throwing out messages saying "we all are going to die"! What does that tell you?

    The lessons to be learnt should have been taken from the HK, S'porean and Toronto experiences.

    In particular:
    1) information dissemination and education is vitally important. It provides a slight degree of control to an individual (China problem)
    2) knowing that health measures are in place provides additional security
    3) HK and S'pore have shown quarantining individual households work, no need to quarantine whole buildings unless more than one household has been affected
    4) If you are going to quarantine a houshold, you have to make up for their loss of income (canadian problem). Education on the importance of the quarantine and that running away will not help prevent the disease is vitally important (China, Taiwan and also HK partially)
    5) hospital staff coming down with disease occur when there is: i) lack of knowledge, ii) lack of equipment, iii) lack of proper education within hospital staff (e.g. cleaners), iv) tiredness leading to mistakes, v) sudden increase in paitient numbers.
    6) social responsibilty is important - don't go out if you are feeling ill!!

    As a note, non-medical people might have the impression that nurses, doctors, etc are really clean in their work. I can tell you for a fact that before SARS came along, it is not the case. Only in specific situations..operations, infectious control wards, leukaemia wards. Otherwise, not as clean as you might expect..sorry to put the reality down in writing.

    To be honest, I think the rest of the world is playing a bit of catch up to SARS, maybe 5 weeks ago I was really worried, hence my original posting in the Chitchat forum. We had much less infromation then. Most of the rest of the world was preoccupied with US foreign policy. I think the rest of the world is going through what I felt 5 weeks ago. There will be different phases of the reaction, initally fear, anger, acceptance and action....so we see the rest of the world going the fear stage. It was something that would have happened earlier for other countries if not for the conflict in the middle east.

    So what if SARS originated from China. There are plenty of non-chinese in the countries that have been affected and that have returned to their own countries. These people are just as likely to spread to other people. Sorry, I just don't buy it the the WC has predominately Asian players and supporters that that should be used as justification for cancellation. That's why I recommended the health checks for ALL people.

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    Can all citizens be as responsible and considerate as say Japanese?
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