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    Quote Originally Posted by 2wheels04 View Post
    All tournaments have this practice. This is not official policy, just a common-sense approach to what may be perceived as conflict of interest. As to your minor error of judgement angle, well, not all umpires have judgements that may satisfy rigourous standards that posters on this forum have. Perhaps people who are so much more passionate may want to take up officiating, what?

    The entire premise of this thread is based on the OP's article reference, not on any forward-looking statement from BWF. That article is probably in bit heaven now, you know the place where all dead electrons go.
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    Yes... Not many BCers get to start reading from the opening post of each thread.

    When our BCers reply, we need to remind them to read the opening post first.

    Many posters forget what we are discussing here, which is: In an effort to minimise disputes over line calls, the Badminton World Federation (BWF) aim to implement a replay system in matches.

    It is all about minimising disputes over line calls. It is not about whether the official is from a third neutral country or not, and/or if there are unfairness or biases from certain officials.

    It's also about umpire making the incorrect calls when they couldn't observe what actually happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Yes... Not many BCers get to start reading from the opening post of each thread.

    When our BCers reply, we need to remind them to read the opening post first.

    Many posters forget what we are discussing here, which is: In an effort to minimise disputes over line calls, the Badminton World Federation (BWF) aim to implement a replay system in matches.

    It is all about minimising disputes over line calls. It is not about whether the official is from a third neutral country or not, and/or if there are unfairness or biases from certain officials.

    It's also about umpire making the incorrect calls when they couldn't observe what actually happened.
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    Pardon me, but there is no umpire I know in badminton (or a referee in football) who would make an incorrect call based on what they themselves or their support team did not see.

    I understand the need for technology to provide a good accurate tool to the official to arrive at the correct decision. Unlike cricket or tennis, the needs in badminton are more time-critical. However, it is unlikely to happen anytime in the next 2 years. Many would recall even the smart bombs with high falutin technology from one of the most technologically advanced countries is faulty - they send it down to the wrong target, many times. Right then?

    I am done with this thread. Thanks for all the responses.

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    if the replay system is implemented, would umpires be less vigilant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    if the replay system is implemented, would umpires be less vigilant?
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    I don't think so. If an umpire is not vigilant, players/coaches/managers can request (to the tournament referee) for that umpire to be replaced.
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    FIFA (Soccer's main governing body) is now thinking about implementing some sort of hawk-eye system (such as in tennis and cricket) or another type of replay system after immense fire from coaches and players. After a mistake by a referee in a recent semi-final where a team was given a goal when it was shown to be short of crossing the goal line by a foot.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/soccer-...emifinals.html

    Badminton soon to follow maybe?

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    Well, for football/soccer the option to put a hawk-eye system was a matter of not changing the nature of the game. For badminton I suspect it might be an issue more of cost rather than practicality. But then again I could be wrong. I forgot the exact cost but it's not cheap to rent out the equipment per day.

    I would love for hawkeye to be in badminton though, that would be a very good day.

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    Doubt if hawkeye system can be adapted for use in badminton. The shuttle is a rapidly decelerating high drag projectile with a flight path that can be hard to predict depending on the spin and feather condition. Very much unlike a round ball in tennis, cricket or soccer.

    Instant replay would suffice, and as we can see it is being used already for the spectators and tv audience (eg. All England). Now BWF just has to take it a step further so that the players themselves can use those replays in their limited number of challenges per game if they feel a line call was erroneous.

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    I agree instant replay on the line is sufficient. Additionally BWF should give permission to the referee to overrule the line judge after the decision being made is different after instant replay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CantSmashThis View Post
    FIFA (Soccer's main governing body) is now thinking about implementing some sort of hawk-eye system (such as in tennis and cricket) or another type of replay system after immense fire from coaches and players. After a mistake by a referee in a recent semi-final where a team was given a goal when it was shown to be short of crossing the goal line by a foot.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/soccer-...emifinals.html

    Badminton soon to follow maybe?
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    That 'mistake' was found after the match was over (because they checked the replay)?

    My question is: If that 'mistake' could be found after the match was over, why couldn't they check the replay instantly, during the match?
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    watching instant replay on tv, upon a challenge by any player, should be simple to implement. Both the Umpire and the Referee can be involved in this. Each side should be allowed one challenge per game only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    That 'mistake' was found after the match was over (because they checked the replay)?

    My question is: If that 'mistake' could be found after the match was over, why couldn't they check the replay instantly, during the match?
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    The tournament organisers need to negotiate a contractual agreement with the television broadcaster for hook-up with the umpire's chair for replay requests. The broadcaster's live editor is usually only linked with the commentator's table. Sometimes, (in probably GPG and "lesser" SS events) even that may be missing, and the producer or editor may just be listening in to the commentator's feed on a separate talkback for cues.

    So the broadcaster is not contratually obliged to replay in such cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    That 'mistake' was found after the match was over (because they checked the replay)?

    My question is: If that 'mistake' could be found after the match was over, why couldn't they check the replay instantly, during the match?
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    Especially since live TV viewers can see it, and the people in the freakin' crowd can see it if there's a Jumbotron. No need for extra personel - just use an off-duty line judge or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark A View Post
    Especially since live TV viewers can see it, and the people in the freakin' crowd can see it if there's a Jumbotron. No need for extra personel - just use an off-duty line judge or something.
    It'll often take a few of these major critical erroneous and embarrassing human judgements for the viewers and spectators to see how backwards the current system is before change will eventually come from higher up.

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    Yeah, Spectators at the stadium, audiences at home, as well as umpire & players themselves might be able to witness it clearly.. For example at All England 2010, Nathan Robertson/Jenny Wallwork vs Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir, it is very clear that the line judge is making an error, however despite the replay has shown it clearly, umpire still does not overrule the line judge that piss Nathan Robertson off..

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    just wondering, for tennis, do they have hawk eye in the early rounds? like round of 32?

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    It'll often take a few of these major critical erroneous and embarrassing human judgements for the viewers and spectators to see how backwards the current system is before change will eventually come from higher up.
    It's just happened in football - several times - so it's should be a matter of time before it happens in real sports like badminton...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark A View Post
    It's just happened in football - several times - so it's should be a matter of time before it happens in real sports like badminton...
    you are not on about THAT goal in 66, are you Mark?

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