BWF to implement a replay system to check disputes over line calls

[cobalt]

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I suppose that BWF is implementing one thing at a time. Currently, they are only dealing with the checking of disputed line calls.

I believe that only SS and higher level tournaments will be using this replay system. Just imagine the speed in which BWF need to disassemble, transport and assemble their equipment from one tournament to another overseas (in less than 48 hours).

Cost of hiring expert staff to handle and to operate these equipment will also need to be budgeted for.
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Not such a big deal. These crew do it all the time.
In fact, it will probably be up to the broadcasting channel who has won the rights for the specific event, to arrange for the equipment. Sometimes, (or often, depending on the country) the channel does not own the equipment. They hire it out from local equipment rental companies. If the equipment is not available at the specific country, they will arrange to fly it in from the neighbouring country. It's a fairly regular practise.

Most crew and camera operators who are hired for live broadcast today, can handle the slow-mo equipment as well. At most it takes maybe an hour of familiarization. The producer may often want to get a top-notch online editor who understands badminton, the unique angles, indoor lighting etc; that's where the money and difference in quality really counts.

On a side note: IMO, the local/national association/host should work closely with the broadcaster/producer to select the right foreground/background colours and ambient lighting to provide maximum dramatic effect and interest. This can be crucial to keep up the interest of television viewers who pay to watch live on TV. All of this matters.
More quality presentations->more viewership->more ratings->more sponsor interest->more revenue->more quality presentations->more viewership...

[extremenanopowe]

I think the expectation of this implementation cost is just too 'high'.

The aim is to see if it is in, out or let. Does it have to be so expensive? Kidding me.

This is for the benefit of umpire. Not the audience.

Normally disputed calls are quite obvious due to bias or sleepy linesman. If it is not, then call a 'let'.

[Tactim]

The cost issue does seem to be quite an issue if it were implemented in most tournaments. Granted I can't see anyone other than the premier super series tournaments making use of this system because they have more funds. Just for reference in the most recent premier super series which was in Indonesia, I recall the champions getting somewhere around $47,000 dollars and the runner up gets ~$22,000. The projected cost of $60,000 per match in an article posted earlier in this thread is massive. Granted those figures are for cricket and not badminton, though I suspect it will be still quite costly to use the equipment.

I am an avid supporter of having the camera tracking system put in place for badminton because it will make the sport more "dramatic" for viewers and fans as well as having the ability for players to challenge line calls though not frivolously.

[cobalt]

Sorry... couldn't resist...



Satish Acharya is the cartoonist from the cricinfo site:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/page2/co...tml?selected=1

[cobalt]

ICC moots sponsors to fund revamped DRS

Full report: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/c...ry/521363.html

Excerpts:

The ICC will look for sponsors for the DRS to overcome the financial hurdles that less wealthy cricket boards will face in implementing the cost-intensive referral system now mandatory in international cricket.

"There is the possibility that we could raise a sponsor to cover the cost of the DRS," ICC CEO, Haroon Lorgat, told ESPNcricinfo. The chief executives' committee agreed on Monday to make a modified version of DRS mandatory in all internationals, with the use of the ball-tracking technology made optional, and Lorgat said he could see a situation "where we may well cover all costs of the technology."

The cost of the DRS is currently estimated at $5000 per day, with broadcasters, technology providers and home boards in a constant debate about who should bear the cost.

[extremenanopowe]

Just a conspiracy to charge more. In some minds, expensive is good and 'got class'. lol.

[chris-ccc]

Not such a big deal. These crew do it all the time.
In fact, it will probably be up to the broadcasting channel who has won the rights for the specific event, to arrange for the equipment. Sometimes, (or often, depending on the country) the channel does not own the equipment. They hire it out from local equipment rental companies. If the equipment is not available at the specific country, they will arrange to fly it in from the neighbouring country. It's a fairly regular practise.

Most crew and camera operators who are hired for live broadcast today, can handle the slow-mo equipment as well. At most it takes maybe an hour of familiarization. The producer may often want to get a top-notch online editor who understands badminton, the unique angles, indoor lighting etc; that's where the money and difference in quality really counts.

On a side note: IMO, the local/national association/host should work closely with the broadcaster/producer to select the right foreground/background colours and ambient lighting to provide maximum dramatic effect and interest. This can be crucial to keep up the interest of television viewers who pay to watch live on TV. All of this matters.
More quality presentations->more viewership->more ratings->more sponsor interest->more revenue->more quality presentations->more viewership...

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Yes, this I agree - More quality presentations->more viewership->more ratings->more sponsor interest->more revenue->more quality presentations->more viewership...
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[chris-ccc]

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And now, Lin Dan is asking for Hawk-Eye.

Source: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/sp..._131306778.htm

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LIUZHOU, South China, Dec. 14 (Xinhua) -- Chinese badminton star Lin Dan has called for the use of Hawk-Eye replay technology in the game to reduce disputed line calls.

Lin's petition came after last week's South Korea Golden Grand Prix were overshadowed by a series of disputed line calls.

Chinese top seed Chen Jin, who was stopped by South Korean Lee Hyun-II in the men's singles semifinals, blamed his defeat on unfair ruling by South Korean umpires. Chinese head coach Li Yongbo echoed Chen's words, saying some line calls were obviously wrong.

"We should look over the videos of all matches, or call on the BWF to adopt the Hawk-Eye technology. Disputed line calls will not exist if Hawk-Eye is used in all competitions," Lin said after his 21-15, 19-21, 21-17 victory against teammate Chen Long in the BWF Superseries Finals which is ongoing in Liuzhou, a city in south China's Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region.

Over the past few years, there had been calls for introducing Hawk-Eye to badminton, but the BWF, badminton's world governing body, didn't give the green light.

"We must ensure badminton a truly fair game, so we need to remedy this defect," added Lin.

The Hawk-Eye technology is now used in tennis and cricket.

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[Alone]

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And now, Lin Dan is asking for Hawk-Eye.

Source: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/sp..._131306778.htm

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LIUZHOU, South China, Dec. 14 (Xinhua) -- Chinese badminton star Lin Dan has called for the use of Hawk-Eye replay technology in the game to reduce disputed line calls.

Lin's petition came after last week's South Korea Golden Grand Prix were overshadowed by a series of disputed line calls.

Chinese top seed Chen Jin, who was stopped by South Korean Lee Hyun-II in the men's singles semifinals, blamed his defeat on unfair ruling by South Korean umpires. Chinese head coach Li Yongbo echoed Chen's words, saying some line calls were obviously wrong.

"We should look over the videos of all matches, or call on the BWF to adopt the Hawk-Eye technology. Disputed line calls will not exist if Hawk-Eye is used in all competitions," Lin said after his 21-15, 19-21, 21-17 victory against teammate Chen Long in the BWF Superseries Finals which is ongoing in Liuzhou, a city in south China's Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region.

Over the past few years, there had been calls for introducing Hawk-Eye to badminton, but the BWF, badminton's world governing body, didn't give the green light.

"We must ensure badminton a truly fair game, so we need to remedy this defect," added Lin.

The Hawk-Eye technology is now used in tennis and cricket.

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Think again on the last Li Ning China Open this year where Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng vs Ko Sung Hyun/Yoo Yeon Seong.
Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng almost loose against the korean pairs but before the koreans were about to end the match in straight set, the CHINESE umpire make a call that the koreans are touching the shuttle over the net.
The replay proof it all wrongggggggg...
And then the koreans loose their focused and eventually loose the game.
But they doesn't complained.
Doesn't it fair now?
Both countries play unfair.

[chris-ccc]

Think again on the last Li Ning China Open this year where Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng vs Ko Sung Hyun/Yoo Yeon Seong.
Cai Yun/Fu Haifeng almost loose against the korean pairs but before the koreans were about to end the match in straight set, the CHINESE umpire make a call that the koreans are touching the shuttle over the net.
The replay proof it all wrongggggggg...
And then the koreans loose their focused and eventually loose the game.
But they doesn't complained.
Doesn't it fair now?
Both countries play unfair.

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Unfair-vs-Unfair???

No wonder we need the Hawk-Eye technology to monitor who the more unfair.
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[Alone]

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Unfair-vs-Unfair???

No wonder we need the Hawk-Eye technology to monitor who the more unfair.
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Yes and therefore we should "salute" Lin Dan for that.

[-SYC-]

Each player should get 3 reviews each in each game, from quater final onwards.....

[chris-ccc]

What is best about the video replay system is that it allows a player to clear his/her mind from what he/she thought the previous call was made wrong. It is really for the player, more than for the linesperson/umpire/spectators.

With the video replay system shown to the player, there will be no more nagging of doubt in the player's mind; and therefore the player will move on, to continue to play with a 'clearer' mind.

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Here is another example (at the 2011 Copenhagen Masters Mens Singles Final played on 29-December);



The rally was at Match Point for PG to win. JOJ hit the shuttlecock 'OUT'. But it was called 'IN' by the line judge.

And guess what? - JOJ went on to win the match.

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sp...66F&d=20111229
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[amirx2]

i agree with the implementation of reply system. It will show through the big screen, so that all can watch. So that the umpire will think twice to be unfair. If proven, BWF must take serious action on that umpire. No need unprofessional umpire.

[2wheels04]

i agree with the implementation of reply system. It will show through the big screen, so that all can watch. So that the umpire will think twice to be unfair. If proven, BWF must take serious action on that umpire. No need unprofessional umpire.

Whoa Fellow!

Looks like you are very passionate about umpires who are wrong. This is good.

But try and remember this - there are many officials in the world who take decisions as they see it. All of them consider themselves to be fair to both sets of players. Look at it this way - to the umpire, it is immaterial who wins or loses.

Replays have been shown on the big screen at most major badminton championships since many years now. In other sports, a review/challenge may be used by player. This review activity takes time. The idea of this review is to arrive at the correct decision, not to prove the unfairness of unprofessionalism of the umpire.

[2wheels04]

ICC moots sponsors to fund revamped DRS

Full report: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/c...ry/521363.html

Excerpts:

The ICC will look for sponsors for the DRS to overcome the financial hurdles that less wealthy cricket boards will face in implementing the cost-intensive referral system now mandatory in international cricket. ...
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And here is a player's take on decision review and an umpire's unwanted call:
(read about this here http://bit.ly/rXpvK8)

It's often said that sportsmen can be incredibly selfish, and maybe a player's response to an unwanted umpiring decision is further evidence of this.

That being the case, it still doesn't give players an excuse for questioning an umpire's decision. Whenever I crossed the line, I knew that after play I would be spending some time in the umpires' room and possibly some time on the sidelines. With every post-match meeting came the same messages. Everyone makes mistakes and the umpire's decision is final.

And to me the gist of the matter is: Umpires and players alike should be striving for perfection with the understanding that mistakes will always be made. ... The decision review, or its absence, is going to prove controversial and I would encourage you all to take sides, because you'll have more fun if you can argue about it.

[LD rules!]

Although the shuttle was out in this PG vs JOJ match, it was very difficult to tell, and especially at the speed and heat of the moment, sure replay and slow motion can help, but the line judge can't really be expected to make the right decision all the time, especially on a call like that...

Anyway, guess its karma for the PG vs TH match @ AE2010 where the shuttle was called in on TH side when it was out at like 20-19 to TH and PG went on to win 20-22 in the 3rd. What goes around comes around