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    Arrow Some BCers might remember it better than I do

    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    u might be right.

    just wondering -- other than the London Olympics, when was the last time players from both sides wanting to lose a match?
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    I remember (at the Thomas Cup, a few years ago) Korea did not want to face China at the Semi-Finals: therefore giving matches away (by sending in lower skilled players). But that was a team event.

    Some BCers might remember it better than I do.

    Eventually, Korea got to face China at the Final (and lost to China).
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    Quote Originally Posted by skchen View Post
    Talk is talk until the e-system is implemented.
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    Correct... Let's wait and see how the new system works (when it becomes implemented).

    Currently, I thought the replay on the BIG screen (for all to see) should be able to solve disputes over line-calls.
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    We already have the technology on court, it is called high-speed camera along the lines.

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    Question High-speed camera (along the lines) to be used by BWF

    Quote Originally Posted by SigH-Max View Post
    We already have the technology on court, it is called high-speed camera along the lines.
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    At which BWF tournament was this "high-speed camera along the lines" started being used to confirm/reject a line-judge's correct/incorrect call?

    It has been used by Tennis and Cricket for years (named the Hawk-Eye system: Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawk-Eye ); But for Badminton, I have yet to see any video system being used at a BWF tournament.
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    At this year's Malaysian SS you could see the cameras on semi finals day on the TV court. I think this was the first test for this system.

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    Arrow Hope to hear from other BCers (who have watched the matches) to confirm it

    Quote Originally Posted by phili View Post
    At this year's Malaysian SS you could see the cameras on semi finals day on the TV court. I think this was the first test for this system.
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    If you are correct, it's great. Hope to hear from other BCers (who have watched the matches) to confirm the implementation.

    I did not watch any of the 2013 Malaysian Open SS matches because I was following and watching our Australian Open (Tennis) matches playing over the same period of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    If you are correct, it's great. Hope to hear from other BCers (who have watched the matches) to confirm the implementation.

    I did not watch any of the 2013 Malaysian Open SS matches because I was following and watching our Australian Open (Tennis) matches playing over the same period of time.
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    Chris, see post # 248-250.
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...finals)/page15

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    The Badminton World Federation will undertake more testing before proceeding with the live implementation of an instant review system – which was originally scheduled to take place at the Djarum Indonesia Open next week.
    Instead the world-governing organisation will continue testing the line-call technology in an effort to resolve some last-minute issues which arose during the recent testing at the Li-Ning BWF Sudirman Cup in Malaysia.
    “We have undergone some really good testing at both the Maybank Malaysia Open and the Li-Ning Sudirman Cup and, though we envisaged being ready to go live with an instant review system at the BWF Superseries Premier in Indonesia, we have determined it best to delay its introduction. We want to revisit some technical aspects and engage in further testing,” explained BWF Secretary General Thomas Lund.
    “So instead of allowing players to challenge line calls at the Indonesia Open, we will use that Superseries Premier event as another testing ground.”
    Lund stressed that despite this decision, BWF is committed to this “progressive and innovative step for the BWF World Superseries and badminton overall”.
    “Instant reviews are coming – players have our assurance on that. We cannot give a date right now as we would prefer to be sure we have any issues resolved before announcing again that we are implementing a challenge system. The system is designed to protect the players and the integrity of the game, so we feel it is only prudent to be sure we can guarantee that the system will perform perfectly,” he said.
    The Secretary General reiterated BWF is still considering various systems while reaffirming it will be using camera-based technology, allowing line-call referees to reassess the call under review.
    “Our priority is to ensure we get the mechanics of this operation working properly and we just need some additional time to do so and to look at the technologies available.”

    http://www.badmintonscotland.org.uk/...-review-system

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    Awesome... would love to see a challenge system similar to tennis.

    Love it when the crowd goes "whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaa" when watching the instant replay to see whether it's in or out.
    Last edited by visor; 06-03-2013 at 08:19 PM.

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    Thumbs up Players to clear their minds of incorrect calls

    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    The Badminton World Federation will undertake more testing before proceeding with the live implementation of an instant review system – which was originally scheduled to take place at the Djarum Indonesia Open next week.
    Instead the world-governing organisation will continue testing the line-call technology in an effort to resolve some last-minute issues which arose during the recent testing at the Li-Ning BWF Sudirman Cup in Malaysia.
    “We have undergone some really good testing at both the Maybank Malaysia Open and the Li-Ning Sudirman Cup and, though we envisaged being ready to go live with an instant review system at the BWF Superseries Premier in Indonesia, we have determined it best to delay its introduction. We want to revisit some technical aspects and engage in further testing,” explained BWF Secretary General Thomas Lund.

    “So instead of allowing players to challenge line calls at the Indonesia Open, we will use that Superseries Premier event as another testing ground.”
    Lund stressed that despite this decision, BWF is committed to this “progressive and innovative step for the BWF World Superseries and badminton overall”.
    “Instant reviews are coming – players have our assurance on that. We cannot give a date right now as we would prefer to be sure we have any issues resolved before announcing again that we are implementing a challenge system. The system is designed to protect the players and the integrity of the game, so we feel it is only prudent to be sure we can guarantee that the system will perform perfectly,” he said.
    The Secretary General reiterated BWF is still considering various systems while reaffirming it will be using camera-based technology, allowing line-call referees to reassess the call under review.
    “Our priority is to ensure we get the mechanics of this operation working properly and we just need some additional time to do so and to look at the technologies available.”

    http://www.badmintonscotland.org.uk/...-review-system
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    Thanks for the news, craigandy.

    I am anxiously waiting for the first tournament when we allow players to challenge line calls.

    It's not only making line judges and umpires more alert, but also allowing players to clear their minds (from being disturbed) when incorrect calls are made.
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    Default Badminton: BWF postpones use of review technology

    http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking...ology-20130603

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    KUALA LUMPUR (AFP) - The Badminton World Federation (BWF) said on Monday that it was delaying indefinitely the live implementation of line-call review technology to address "last-minute issues" that have cropped up in testing.

    Line calls are a flashpoint in badminton, with players often complaining about officials making erroneous or biased decisions, and the sport plans to follow tennis and football in using technology to reduce the risk of human error.

    After testing its system in the Malaysian Open this year and last month's Sudirman Cup in Kuala Lumpur, the sport's world governing body had planned to go live at next week's Indonesia Open.

    Instead, the BWF "will continue testing the line-call technology in an effort to resolve some last-minute issues which arose during the recent testing", it said in a statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    The Badminton World Federation will undertake more testing before proceeding with the live implementation of an instant review system – which was originally scheduled to take place at the Djarum Indonesia Open next week.
    Instead the world-governing organisation will continue testing the line-call technology in an effort to resolve some last-minute issues which arose during the recent testing at the Li-Ning BWF Sudirman Cup in Malaysia.
    “We have undergone some really good testing at both the Maybank Malaysia Open and the Li-Ning Sudirman Cup and, though we envisaged being ready to go live with an instant review system at the BWF Superseries Premier in Indonesia, we have determined it best to delay its introduction. We want to revisit some technical aspects and engage in further testing,” explained BWF Secretary General Thomas Lund.
    “So instead of allowing players to challenge line calls at the Indonesia Open, we will use that Superseries Premier event as another testing ground.”
    Lund stressed that despite this decision, BWF is committed to this “progressive and innovative step for the BWF World Superseries and badminton overall”.
    “Instant reviews are coming – players have our assurance on that. We cannot give a date right now as we would prefer to be sure we have any issues resolved before announcing again that we are implementing a challenge system. The system is designed to protect the players and the integrity of the game, so we feel it is only prudent to be sure we can guarantee that the system will perform perfectly,” he said.
    The Secretary General reiterated BWF is still considering various systems while reaffirming it will be using camera-based technology, allowing line-call referees to reassess the call under review.
    “Our priority is to ensure we get the mechanics of this operation working properly and we just need some additional time to do so and to look at the technologies available.”

    http://www.badmintonscotland.org.uk/...-review-system
    The technology is well-proven and badminton is not a faster sport than football and yet it could be implemented successfully for the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skchen View Post
    The technology is well-proven and badminton is not a faster sport than football and yet it could be implemented successfully for the latter.
    Are you talking about soccer? If so those guys are at about 110mph and that is usually a once in a match occasion if that. The camera only has to cover the goal face which I would imagine would be pretty easy big ball and a sphere.

    Badminton has many, many lines to be covered and they run in different directions. Also the camera needs to be able to film the cork bit as it is this part that determines in or out. I would reckon they will need to get clever with camera angles, test and test to see if they can get a setup that covers all the shots. The alternative would be to use a hell of a lot of cameras(probably quite expensive and not viable)

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    So I guess they want perfect line accuracy calls, unlike in football (american), hockey, baseball etc. where even if there is replay, it is still the final decision of the referee whether the play will be overturned with sufficient evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CantSmashThis View Post
    So I guess they want perfect line accuracy calls, unlike in football (american), hockey, baseball etc. where even if there is replay, it is still the final decision of the referee whether the play will be overturned with sufficient evidence.
    If it's going to be like tennis where the player can challenge a call and the instant replay is displayed on the big screen for spectators to get into the action, then yes, they better have a definite and accurate system where it's obvious to everyone whether it's in or out. Obviously then, no point in having the referee make a decision because everyone can see for themselves. As in tennis...

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    I think the instant replay might have come in handy here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfzNcrdpLGQ at the point starting at 46:20... (the replay is at 47:13...and still called out?!)

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    In league matches, you often see that players will make calls against themselves where their opponents didn't see where the shuttle landed.

    Can international players do that? If Matthias or Boe had said to the umpire, yup, that shuttle was in, could the umpire then have overruled the line judge?

    Whether they ever would do that is a separate question. I'm sure some would argue that line judge errors are part of the game and you should take the good with the bad, so just leave it to chance and not interfere. They say the same about referee mistakes in football.

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