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    Oops, I meant Mogensen or Boe, obviously...

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    Arrow If there are any doubts ......

    Quote Originally Posted by david14700 View Post
    In league matches, you often see that players will make calls against themselves where their opponents didn't see where the shuttle landed.

    Can international players do that?
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    Even if players have good intentions to make the correct call, players do make mistakes too.

    Therefore, IMHO, if there are any doubts (whether between players, umpires, line judges, fans, etc, etc, ......), it is best to call for an instant replay to be displayed on the big screen.
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    I hear a lot of people talking about this big screen thing and the crowd involvement etc for the replays. Is this an assumption? or is this actually the way they have said they would do it?
    If someone could point me to the link, thanks.

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    Badminton has many, many lines to be covered and they run in different directions. Also the camera needs to be able to film the cork bit as it is this part that determines in or out. I would reckon they will need to get clever with camera angles, test and test to see if they can get a setup that covers all the shots. The alternative would be to use a hell of a lot of cameras(probably quite expensive and not viable)[/QUOTE]

    I don't think the cork determines in or out, but any part of the shuttle that clip the line makes it in.
    Anyway, I don't see the logic with this "use this SS for testing ground". If it is the equipment they are testing, any club would do. The BWF could use any national association to test the material, they don't need the official competition for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renbo View Post

    I don't think the cork determines in or out, but any part of the shuttle that clip the line makes it in.
    I have never seen any other part land first. But you are wrong about any part of the shuttle clipping the line. It is the initial contact with the surface that is the call. If cork lands out first then the skirt clips the line it is still out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    I have never seen any other part land first. But you are wrong about any part of the shuttle clipping the line. It is the initial contact with the surface that is the call. If cork lands out first then the skirt clips the line it is still out.
    that's right... i've only heard of commentators mentioning the cork being in or out, never referring to the feather skirt at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
    I have never seen any other part land first. But you are wrong about any part of the shuttle clipping the line. It is the initial contact with the surface that is the call. If cork lands out first then the skirt clips the line it is still out.
    It does make sense that way. It is just that once in a tourney GC mentionend otherwise, saying that if the feathers hit the line it is good, though that is rare. I was surprise to hear that so I still remember it. Maybe a check at the BWF site is needed.

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    Feather touching the ground before the cork? Anyone seen it before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    Feather touching the ground before the cork? Anyone seen it before?
    Possibly if it rolls over the tape and is still tumbling when it hits the ground, but can't imagine how else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    Possibly if it rolls over the tape and is still tumbling when it hits the ground, but can't imagine how else.
    yeah, it is possible. But anyone seen it?

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    The thing is, you cannot makes this difference, which part count or which part doesn't count. Any part of the shuttle that hit the line makes it in.
    beside, at the end of a flat trajectory, specially with a lot of spin, the shuttle falls quite flat.

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    If iit never happens that other part of the cork touches first the floor, then there is no complication for the camera. If any part that touches the floor count, and it sometimes happens that it is not the cork, the camera can spot it also easily. Only in the case that the cork only count and sometimes other part touches the ground first it is problematic. But thatnis such a fuss! I can' beleive the BWF would make this difference. I see no reason to delay the usenof cameras in that.

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    The tumbling scenario is obviously a possibility but not any other regular shot, "Flat" or otherwise, air resistance on the skirt is far greater than the cork causing the cork to dip and there is an angle between height of net and back line just making it not possible. There is a thread somewhere else about this topic and some claimed it was possible but they never included air resistance effect so were wrong.

    The Feathers clip the line all the time after the cork has hit the surface this is not in, but thank you @renbo , I think this might be quite a few peoples perception and for sure should be more defined by bwf in the rules or elsewhere

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    Yes, that is what I mean, the feathers clipping the line when the shuttles land. It should be stated clearly in the rules somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renbo View Post
    Yes, that is what I mean, the feathers clipping the line when the shuttles land. It should be stated clearly in the rules somewhere.
    I suppose if you use the same theory with say a clear that is dropping vertically, If it lands out then bounces back on to the line feathers first that would not be in. same theory but more obvious scenario.

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    My speculation is this. I think BWF's problem, in terms of camera angle, is not whether the feather or cork touches the line. I think the problem might be the players' body (usually the legs or feet) blocking the camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcll99 View Post
    My speculation is this. I think BWF's problem, in terms of camera angle, is not whether the feather or cork touches the line.
    Your right there is no way that is their consideration.

    Does anybody know how many cameras they have been using and where they will be positioned?

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