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    ^I realised; it's an old model without an AF motor built in the lens.. I'll just stick to what I've got now, and upgrade lenses and stuff later no need to buy so much in a rush. No need for a beginner to buy 5x expensive li ning racquets and get them strung to 30lbs.

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    So I got the kit now. Autofocus is ridiculously slow on this cheap lens. I doubt I'll be using AF most of the time with this, it'll all be MF.. I will try to invest in a Nikon AF-S 18-55mm VR 3.5~5.6 (?) and maybe a bright AF-S 50mm 1.8 if I can find a cheap one some how.

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    Alright, I didn't buy the camera for the sake of taking badminton pics, but I tried anyway, with a 2nd hand AF-S 18-55mm 3.5~5.6 G2 ED lens..

    Sorry, these images are heavily compressed so the image quality is bad :s.. Shot on S mode, ISO400, 1/400.

    People of all levels play at the varsity club.
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    The sports hall uses natural and artificial lighting. The effect around the windows envokes my curiosity.

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    good to finally see some photos and not bad for a start..I guess the gym just has enough lighting esp. with those camera/lens settings..
    what do you think can be improved upon or you think can make the photos better?
    what do you think of the new hobby so far?

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    I found that at the minimal focal length of 18mm, the images were the brightest. I had to stay rather close to the courts because otherwise, the lighting conditions would have made the images too dark and I would have been forced to use higher ISO or a slower shutter speed.
    Flash? Nope, didn't allow myself
    The F number of my lens is rather average at 3.5 being the lowest, so not much bokeh could be achieved at all in the background..

    I tried shooting with my 70-300mm 4~5.6 telephoto lens and it was horrible for badminton. Too dark, blurry, not fast enough.. too zoomed-up, not allowing me to frame the scenes properly. I think it's more suited for stalking or for takings pics of birds.. or for showing off a big lens[hood].

    What do I think of my new hobby so far?
    I think it's expensive .. much like badminton and road cycling (my other hobby).. I swear I'm not copying kwun.. I just always had interests in these ...

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    I think you can afford to crank up that ISO with your shiny new toy (probably in some review stating you can go up to so much without significant sacrifice, probably in the 1600's already). Daylight sure comes in handy, maybe next time try when it's already dark. I guess you don't have much room behind the court that 70mm is too much already?

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    70 was already too zoomed up.. 55mm was also too much, and it made the image too dark and I would have been forced to use higher iso and a slower shutter speed.

    I find that the glowing-effect around the bright windows is very distracting, in those photos I took. The main focus of the images is supposed to be the badminton in action, but the lights kinda pull my eye off the main thing. I will try shooting at a proper badminton hall another time to see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhirata View Post
    I found that at the minimal focal length of 18mm, the images were the brightest. I had to stay rather close to the courts because otherwise, the lighting conditions would have made the images too dark and I would have been forced to use higher ISO or a slower shutter speed...
    ..have you tried using higher ISOs, 3200 and/or above? if you have, what are the results (any samples)?..

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    damn. those guys jumps like a frog. So high. As if they are flying? Some MJ thingy going on? lol.

    This is a good photographer. Very sharp images.
    http://kennythumb.blogspot.com/search/label/Birds

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    Oh man this hall was dim..

    ISO1000, 1/200, F3.5 for the 1st one and ISO3000 for the 2nd. Sorry, these images are compressed again..

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    I can barely see what's happening :s.. If i moved any further away from the court, the image became soo dark.

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    2nd one is bad. We can only guess where the shuttle is, and not the whole court is shown..

    Will keep experimenting

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    Ah. They look almost like phone cam pics. Bad.

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    More ISO! Find out what your toy is capable of, the 3000 looks decent framing issue aside. You'd probably want to sit on the side where the light is coming from as well, near the netpost against the wall ... You're essentially photographing their shadow side here (speaking as a layman as well ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by demolidor View Post
    More ISO! Find out what your toy is capable of, the 3000 looks decent framing issue aside. You'd probably want to sit on the side where the light is coming from as well, near the netpost against the wall ... You're essentially photographing their shadow side here (speaking as a layman as well ).
    This looks like a good hall for badminton (i"m guessing specifically built for badminton) and difficult one for photography. The lights hang between the courts and are a bit dark.

    jhirata, can you go to ISO6400? You'll need it because your lens cannot open up wider. Try ISO6400 for half a session and then ISO3200 later. Compare the difference.

    I agree try sitting near the netpost and use your short lens.

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    given that setting the hall isn't that dark. i have shot at way way worse conditions.

    i concur with the suggestion of going to ISO6400. most modern DSLR can handle that without much problem. i never go below ISO3200 when i shoot badminton these days. the little bit of extra noise is not visible since we mostly view pictures at web resolution anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhirata View Post
    Oh man this hall was dim..
    ISO1000, 1/200, F3.5 for the 1st one and ISO3000 for the 2nd. Sorry, these images are compressed again..
    I can barely see what's happening :s.. If i moved any further away from the court, the image became soo dark.
    2nd one is bad. We can only guess where the shuttle is, and not the whole court is shown..
    Will keep experimenting
    ..hmm, 1st and 2nd photos are barely different esp. after going up in ISO (i take it it's ISO3200 not 3000)?..is the hall really lacking in lighting?..

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    I suppose that the Varsity club's hall has too much light (sunlight makes it hard to see the shuttle at times), as opposed to the 2nd badminton hall which is pitch black without the court lighting. I suppose that having the walls placed a bit faraway from the courts makes the place look darker as less light is reflected from the surface of the walls?

    I checked again and the 2nd pic was ISO3200 .. I will try ISO5000 and 6400 next time

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    Is that the Auckland BA hall? Looks familiar.

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