Apacs - Page 2

adonis · 11-07-2009, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by singnflip4life

Well the Tantrum 200 is close to AT900T, but AT is head heavier and more powerful, but lacks a little in feel compared to the tantrum. I think the 300 is head heavier, and more heavy (3U instead of 4U) compared to the 200, so it should feel more like the AT900T, only with a more flexy shaft, kind of like how the Trixon 8 is compared to the Powerplay 9990.

are you sure you are correct? i thought the tantrum is a racket similar to the Ti10, a fairly light, balanced to slightly head heavy racket that packs a punch.

singnflip4life · 11-07-2009, 02:54 AM

Well I've never used the Ti10, but my friend owned both a Tantrum 200 and AT900T 4U (until his pristine Tantrum 200 died in a clash with my super beat up, super chipped up MP99 SP code. That thing is indestructible.) so I played 2 matches with him, the first using the T200 while he used the AT, and for the second we flip flopped. That what my analysis is based on. Both rackets were strung with Ashaway MicroLegend at 26 lbs (drop weight constant pull), but of course, each player is different, YMMV.

And sadly I have never had the pleasure of weilding a Ti-10, but based on what I like right now, I'd love it.

adonis · 11-07-2009, 03:08 AM

Oh I guess if you have a 4U AT900T then I probably can understand where you're coming from. I personally have the 3U AT900T.

Btw, have heard semi-good reviews (although not many) of the Ashaway Microlegend strings? How do you find it? How does it compare to like the thinner Yonex strings like BG 66, BG85 and NBG 98?

I know this is off topic but I'm just curious :P

singnflip4life · 11-07-2009, 03:46 AM

I'll PM you the answer in the morning, it's kinda late here haha. Anyone try APACS strings??? Or their shoes???

singnflip4life · 11-07-2009, 12:14 PM

I PMed you a more thorough breakdown if you care to read it, but OVERALL:

66 > 85 > ML > 98

though in my entire experience,

66 > MicroPower > 85 > MicroLegend > 80 > 95 > 98 > 65

it could be because my current preferred tension is 24, and I've heard people say NGY95/98 doesn't really come alive til 26 or 27 pounds at least. And I still haven't tried the new ZyMax yet. Though dink-a-lot has said the ZM 62 should be considered the new BG66

How does the 3U AT900T compare to the T200? Though it's kinda hard to truly compare rackets in different weight classes. It's like trying to compare a featherweight or a welterweight to a super heavyweight in boxing or wrestling or judo.

adonis · 11-07-2009, 08:46 PM

Wow im surprised to see NBG98 so low on your rating scales. I'm currently using it on my Arc Z Slash and find it quite good. BUt yeah, depends on your personal preference i guess.

Cheers. Will read your PM now.

singnflip4life · 11-07-2009, 09:15 PM

Yea it's kinda like, super powerful, but feel matters much more to me. I can always manufacture power, I can't manufacture feel.

adonis · 11-07-2009, 09:25 PM

feel as in the feeling you get when the racket hits the shuttle?
for me touch and net tumbles are really important in my decision making.

singnflip4life · 11-07-2009, 09:46 PM

Feel as a general term including touch, control, playability and how it feels in my hand when I hit the shuttle.

texin7 · 11-09-2009, 02:03 AM

hey druss, u got ur rackets yet?waitng 4 ur review...hehe...take your time though

druss · 11-09-2009, 02:05 AM

Should have them early this week. Still trying to decide what to string them with though. I think I'm going to order some zymax 62 but not sure if it will get here in time. May just have to go with the BG85 or 80 I have on hand.

texin7 · 11-09-2009, 02:28 AM

yea....go with bg80 or nbg95..thats what i got on my apacs nano900...had cbg100 1st and didnt like the feel of it..+ it didnt last much..

texin7 · 11-10-2009, 02:16 AM

so druss,what racket r u using currently?

druss · 11-10-2009, 10:00 AM

The following are my primary rackets
Arcsaber10
NS9900
Ti-10

My back up rackets are a Ti-6 and slim 10 (yes I have one that's not broken).

druss · 11-11-2009, 12:56 AM

Ok, just got the rackets today, have not had a chance to string them yet but here are some measurements.

Tantrum 300: weight 89.2g; balance point = 284.1mm
Visible Hollow 1800: weight 88.2g; balance point = 290.5mm
Lethal 70: weight 87.1g; balance point = 280.2mm

The Tantrum 300 is right on spec for weight (88g - 90g) and is pretty well balanced and almost right on spec (285 +/- 5mm).

The Visible Hollow was the head heaviest and outside spec (285mm +/- 3mm) at 290.5mm. There was no weight spec that I could find.

The Lethal 70 which is supposed to be head heavy has the lowest balance point making it the head lightest of the bunch and way out of spec (290mm +/- 3mm). It was also the lightest racket at 87.1g, spec was 87.5g.

These may just be manufacturing variances but I find it interesting that the Lethal 70, which is marketed as the head heaviest, and therefore the best for attacking smashers, is actually the head lightest out of the three I bought and well outside their spec.

I obviously can't tell which racket will be best for me until I test them but based on the specs of the rackets I received I'd guess the visible hollow will be my personal choice based on the head heaviness.

Once I've had a chance to string and play with the rackets I'll report back again. I plan on stringing them all with BG85 in order to keep everything constant except the racket itself. Since all the rackets were G2 grip will be removing all the original grips and replacing with super grap to keep that a constant too.

I will reweigh and check the balance point again after stringing and regripping.

druss · 11-11-2009, 02:06 AM

Here are some pictures

adonis · 11-11-2009, 02:37 AM

hey druss, can i ask, do all your apac rackets have 'NA' stated on it? as in, they are all north american coded?

also, do they all come with serial codes? because mine didn't.

11-11-2009, 12:56 AM	#32
druss Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 141	Ok, just got the rackets today, have not had a chance to string them yet but here are some measurements. Tantrum 300: weight 89.2g; balance point = 284.1mm Visible Hollow 1800: weight 88.2g; balance point = 290.5mm Lethal 70: weight 87.1g; balance point = 280.2mm The Tantrum 300 is right on spec for weight (88g - 90g) and is pretty well balanced and almost right on spec (285 +/- 5mm). The Visible Hollow was the head heaviest and outside spec (285mm +/- 3mm) at 290.5mm. There was no weight spec that I could find. The Lethal 70 which is supposed to be head heavy has the lowest balance point making it the head lightest of the bunch and way out of spec (290mm +/- 3mm). It was also the lightest racket at 87.1g, spec was 87.5g. These may just be manufacturing variances but I find it interesting that the Lethal 70, which is marketed as the head heaviest, and therefore the best for attacking smashers, is actually the head lightest out of the three I bought and well outside their spec. I obviously can't tell which racket will be best for me until I test them but based on the specs of the rackets I received I'd guess the visible hollow will be my personal choice based on the head heaviness. Once I've had a chance to string and play with the rackets I'll report back again. I plan on stringing them all with BG85 in order to keep everything constant except the racket itself. Since all the rackets were G2 grip will be removing all the original grips and replacing with super grap to keep that a constant too. I will reweigh and check the balance point again after stringing and regripping. Last edited by druss : 11-11-2009 at 01:00 AM.

11-11-2009, 02:06 AM	#33
druss Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 141	Here are some pictures Attached Images

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11-07-2009, 02:54 AM	#19
singnflip4life Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Davis, CA Posts: 305	Well I've never used the Ti10, but my friend owned both a Tantrum 200 and AT900T 4U (until his pristine Tantrum 200 died in a clash with my super beat up, super chipped up MP99 SP code. That thing is indestructible.) so I played 2 matches with him, the first using the T200 while he used the AT, and for the second we flip flopped. That what my analysis is based on. Both rackets were strung with Ashaway MicroLegend at 26 lbs (drop weight constant pull), but of course, each player is different, YMMV. And sadly I have never had the pleasure of weilding a Ti-10, but based on what I like right now, I'd love it.

11-07-2009, 03:08 AM	#20
adonis Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 256	Oh I guess if you have a 4U AT900T then I probably can understand where you're coming from. I personally have the 3U AT900T. Btw, have heard semi-good reviews (although not many) of the Ashaway Microlegend strings? How do you find it? How does it compare to like the thinner Yonex strings like BG 66, BG85 and NBG 98? I know this is off topic but I'm just curious :P

11-07-2009, 03:46 AM	#21
singnflip4life Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Davis, CA Posts: 305	I'll PM you the answer in the morning, it's kinda late here haha. Anyone try APACS strings??? Or their shoes???

11-07-2009, 12:14 PM	#22
singnflip4life Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Davis, CA Posts: 305	I PMed you a more thorough breakdown if you care to read it, but OVERALL: 66 > 85 > ML > 98 though in my entire experience, 66 > MicroPower > 85 > MicroLegend > 80 > 95 > 98 > 65 it could be because my current preferred tension is 24, and I've heard people say NGY95/98 doesn't really come alive til 26 or 27 pounds at least. And I still haven't tried the new ZyMax yet. Though dink-a-lot has said the ZM 62 should be considered the new BG66 How does the 3U AT900T compare to the T200? Though it's kinda hard to truly compare rackets in different weight classes. It's like trying to compare a featherweight or a welterweight to a super heavyweight in boxing or wrestling or judo.

11-07-2009, 08:46 PM	#23
adonis Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 256	Wow im surprised to see NBG98 so low on your rating scales. I'm currently using it on my Arc Z Slash and find it quite good. BUt yeah, depends on your personal preference i guess. Cheers. Will read your PM now.

11-07-2009, 09:15 PM	#24
singnflip4life Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Davis, CA Posts: 305	Yea it's kinda like, super powerful, but feel matters much more to me. I can always manufacture power, I can't manufacture feel.

11-07-2009, 09:25 PM	#25
adonis Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 256	feel as in the feeling you get when the racket hits the shuttle? for me touch and net tumbles are really important in my decision making.

11-07-2009, 09:46 PM	#26
singnflip4life Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Davis, CA Posts: 305	Feel as a general term including touch, control, playability and how it feels in my hand when I hit the shuttle.

11-09-2009, 02:03 AM	#27
texin7 Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: new zealand Posts: 23	hey druss, u got ur rackets yet?waitng 4 ur review...hehe...take your time though

11-09-2009, 02:05 AM	#28
druss Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 141	Should have them early this week. Still trying to decide what to string them with though. I think I'm going to order some zymax 62 but not sure if it will get here in time. May just have to go with the BG85 or 80 I have on hand.

11-09-2009, 02:28 AM	#29
texin7 Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: new zealand Posts: 23	yea....go with bg80 or nbg95..thats what i got on my apacs nano900...had cbg100 1st and didnt like the feel of it..+ it didnt last much..

11-10-2009, 02:16 AM	#30
texin7 Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: new zealand Posts: 23	so druss,what racket r u using currently?

11-10-2009, 10:00 AM	#31
druss Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 141	The following are my primary rackets Arcsaber10 NS9900 Ti-10 My back up rackets are a Ti-6 and slim 10 (yes I have one that's not broken).

11-11-2009, 02:37 AM	#34
adonis Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 256	hey druss, can i ask, do all your apac rackets have 'NA' stated on it? as in, they are all north american coded? also, do they all come with serial codes? because mine didn't.