2013 Yonex Japan Open SS : Quarterfinals to FINALS (20th-22nd September 2013)

Discussion in 'Japan / Indonesia Open 2013' started by CLELY, Sep 19, 2013.

  1. Penwinack

    Penwinack Regular Member

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    Japan WS look so strong now.
    Both unseeded WS go to final.Wow wonderful!
    Hope to see their performance more international title.:p
     
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    Looks like another Chinese pair for Ahsan/Setiawan to slay tomorrow!
     
  3. Justin L

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    That was close, could have gone either way. I still think Ahsan/Setiawan is the clear favourite for the title.
     
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    Ahsan/Setiawan have moved Mens Doubles to another level.
     
  5. Justin L

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    Japan, like Thailand, is producing child prodigies in WS, impressive. But only the future can tell how good they really are.
     
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    Ratchanok is good enough to beat China's best on the biggest stage. This is where pure talent can't be denied, and will always beat the "hard workers" with less talent.
     
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    I'm afraid it's still a bit too early to say that until they can produce consistent results for a reasonably long time like LYD/JJS and Cai/Fu did in the past. Only time can tell.
     
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    You forgot sindhu who has beaten chinese players on the biggest stage..
     
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    Being consistent is different to being on a higher level. Ahsan/Setiawan style/intensity of play is and has been relatively unbeatable for almost a year. Whether they can keep that style/intensity up is a different matter. But I believe Ahsan/Setiawan at their best would thrash LYD/JJS and Cai/Fu at thier best. They are just so good at dampening down their opponent's attacking opportunities and then converting any non-attacking returns to incredible attacking play of their own.
     
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    Didn't forget anything. Just saying that Ratchanok has a major title (where major titles = Olympic Games and World Champs), and she beat China's best to get it.
     
  11. Justin L

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    I shall reserve my comment for the future. For now, suffice me to say if LXR is just a 'hard worker' with less talent, then there should be a few more like her all over the world.
     
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    But relative to Ratchanok, she IS a "hard worker" with less talent. And that's my point. Doesn't mean she isn't a champion etc. I just feel Ratchanok is the most talented WS player ever. I just really admire the way she plays - it's just so natural. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this way.
     
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    you will eat your word if ahsan/hendra are beaten by the DOMINATOR tomorrow.
    they are almost beaten today.
    chai/hong are level 1. ahsan/hendra are only level 4.
    i hope it doesn't happen.
    hahahahaha.
     
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    In that case, the unknown Kang/Liu's performance just a while ago should prove they are near to Ahsan/Setiawan's level, no need to wait for them to prove it in future with more consistent results. Anyway, I'm not keen on subjective arguments, let the results speak for themselves in future for which only time can tell.

    For the time being, I've to agree Ahsan/Setiawan are on top of their game and they are on a roll.
     
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    Hehe no, nothing to eat on my part. I've covered myself well I think. It's a question of whether they can keep up their level of play. If they can, they will win. If not, then they lose hehe.
     
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    Say what. Kang/Liu haven't even won a Superseries title or beaten a big name pair (as far as I know). Not a good comparison at all.

    I think what we're getting mixed up in is "level of play" and "achievements". Sure, LYD/JJS and Cai/Fu have achieved by far the most in the modern era. And yes, "Level of play" is very subjective, but I believe Ahsan/Setiawan have taken this "level" up a notch. Just like Cai/Fu and LYD/JJS did in their prime. It's just a natural order of sport - the level of play always goes up with each generation. And there are many reasons for this - for example, better racket technology, better physical conditioning etc.

    It's happening in tennis too - Federer took the level of play up several notches in his prime, and now Nadal/Djokovic have taken that level up a further notch. Some people will argue that it's because Federer has declined, but then this is why it's so subjective.
     
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    Do you know she will play world junior next month in Bangkok?
    I want to watch her play on court.

    Today wait to watch woman volleyball final THA VS JPN.:D
     
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    Based on what? One WC victory? And their H2H, 4-2 in LXR's favour, who won their previous 4 before the fateful WC? And if you include the CBSL at end of last year, then LXR's H2H is 5-2.

    No doubt IR is very talented but in that WC match, LXR wasn't at her best as acknowledged by IR herself who humbly and graciously admitted LXR wasn't herself. Consistency is the hallmark of a true champion; otherwise it's just a flash in the pan. For IR, I believe she will win many more titles in the future, let's patiently wait for it to happen.
     
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    Why LCW vs Tago not as the last final match? Is it not interesting enough?
     
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    Based on how she plays. And yes, it is subjective. Again, "talent", "level of play" and "consistency in winning" are all different matters. You can be the most talented player ever (which is subjective) and yet never win anything.

    And yes, I agree consistency is the hallmark of a true champion. But a less "talented" player can be more consistent and win more. As I said, this less "talented" player is still a true champion.

    Hope it's clear now.
     

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