just? let see u mean asian games are not fair and open matches? south east asian games are not fair and open matches? east asian games are not fair and open matches? hmm,how about 2002 thomas cup?i didnt saw it in tournament software,does that mean thomas cup 2002 isn't a fair and open matches? ------------------------------------- on a side note: lin dan never lost to any local clubs players unless u can prove to us with showing us what u 'read' ------------------------------------- yeah,lin dan still has the best head to head record of top players full stop
yup the TS data base ins't complete enough as it doesn't take the non-BWF tournaments in its H2H.....
you mean bwf ranking or your h2h count? or your h2h count based on bwf tournaments only? if that's the case you have to ask the mod to change your thread title again something like this: "ms: who has the best head to head records of top players in bwf sanctioned tournaments only"
..all these H2H records discussions and debates (between players) have been going on for yrs in BC, way before a few of the posters in this thread joined BC..So, nothing new and nothing surprising..
Use the BWF World Rankings to find out who are the best players in the world . That is why I suggested that we; * Use the BWF World Rankings to find out who are the best players in the world. * Use the Head-to-Head Records to find out who has defeated who in past matches. .
- 1st one, not really relevant as the original poster/thread starter only wants to find out from our opinion who we think is the no.2 (OP then brought up H2H as one way to determine who's no.2; thus the thread ending up with the above title, which has already been brought up/discussed/debated many times before).. - 2nd one, we've brought that up pretty much in the first page and a half of this thread..
No.1 = Choi Ho Jin (KOR) . If that is the case, then we shall have; No.1 = Choi Ho Jin (KOR) No.2 = Lin Dan (CHN) .
..you're serious or joking??.. how about CHJ's record vs. the other top 10 MS players??..do you have the H2H records??.. i think there should be a minimum no. of matches play to have a legit H2H record..say maybe 3 minimum H2H matches between players..
If we are not to talk about H2H record in this thread, then I am confused . IMHO, when we talk about statistics, we shall talk about numerical values only. CHJ has a !00% H2H record over LD. That's what I and other BCers have posted. If we are not talking about H2H record in this thread, then I am confused. .
Don't be confused... ..that's fine, if you or anyone else wants to bring up statistics, numerical values and H2H...then i ask, do you have CHJ's H2H record vs. the other top 10 MS players??..or you really want to take his lone meeting and lone win, playing in a non-BWF sanctioned tourney nonetheless, vs. Super Dan seriously????.. It's fine if you and others take it seriously. But if you ask me, it's pretty much irrelevant, almost a joke.
Use the Head-to-Head Records to find out who has defeated who in past matches . I think you have missed my point. My point is; * Use the BWF World Rankings to find out who are the best players in the world. * Use the Head-to-Head Records to find out who has defeated who in past matches. .
Well to compare players using solely on H2H record is a joke to me in the first place Dont get me wrong, Im not saying you are......but are you??
Actually, I find the 'points' system that freelast introduced fairly interesting, but what if one of the top ten players rarely meet the others? He will have less opportunities to defeat them and therefore have less points. But of course, those who participate in so few (Lin Dan) but are extremely strong will have very few chances to get defeated. Maybe we should set a cap of several tournaments, just like BWF, but only for H2H!
using the h2h count or record to determine the best player is something interesting there is no question about it provided it is done on a systematic order, not adding new rules every now and then. when that starts to happen, god knows where we are heading for.. i think the best is still old fashioned bwf ranking, more tournament played and won gets you more points .....
Yup, but a H2H points ranking will be very useful too! We can have something like a 2010 H2H points system where the players can collect points from battling against the top 10 but it will be confusing and unsystematic, but such an idea is possible, if there is someone hardworking enough to compile it! HOWEVER, the top 10 changes from time to time too...
- Please refer to the 1st post. Are you referring to the thread starter? And i believe the thread starter only focuses on current active MS players; not those players from 20, 30, 40 yrs back. I think the thread starter wants to use the H2H factor as the main criteria in determining who's the no.2 player. - I only take the H2H record (current active MS players), just like in the 1st post, to determine who's arguably the no.2 player because it's simple and there's really nothing to disagree with the H2H record. - If solely using the H2H record to compare players is a joke to you, then why do you think so? - If you have other ways to determine who's the no.2 player or to compare players, please share them with us?
Ata boy that's correct for fanbad! Or when we are betting...he he Or by lin dan's fan when he is world no. 2 or 3 When he is no.1 I don't think there is any mention of a h2h lol
