Lee Chong Wei vs Lin Dan at WC 2011

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Who will be the Men's Single Champion for 2011?

  1. Lee Chong Wei

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  2. Lin Dan

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  1. pjswift

    pjswift Regular Member

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    Wow, you make it sound like LD s so good he could play the fool with LCW. Did you observe the body language? They were both so similar, tense, tense , tense. The match was spectacular as expected but this time also in terms of countless,uncharacteristic errors.And LCW s dense coach said LD s mentally stronger just because he won by the requisite 2 point difference. It s an ending that could go either way, silly coach. If LD had the mental edge, he would have taken G1!
     
  2. perfectdefense

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    But LD has made LCW look really bad before. Please refer to OG 2008, and Thomas Cup 2010.
     
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    extremenanopowe Regular Member

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    In history, Chinese players develops faster and retire earlier. For Malaysians, they develop or mature or gets better as the reach 30. ;) fyi. LD is maintaining his standard. LCW progressed and getting close to him. ;) Still that 1% mental is not there yet. ;)
     
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    Yeah, you should check out Thomas Cup 2008! LCW made LD look clueless. Maybe that s why LD avoids playing LCW in Jakarta again.
     
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    After last night win by Lin Dan, I am sure he knows Lcw is getting too close. :D

    From now onwards either he put more effort into his preparation for Olympic 12

    or he can kiss goodbye to the final. :D

    Similarly we can also kiss goodbye to see the same final match we saw yesterday :p

    How Lin Dan celebrated after he won in the final tells us everything,

    that title still matters so much to him:)
     
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    Of course, LD wants to win. He only has 2 objectives in the run up to OG12. To help CJ win by giving way if they are in the same half so CJ can be top 4. That s why since PG is the greatest threat to CJ s ranking race, PG gotta be stopped. For LD, if he s not in the same half as CJ, then LD will want to maximize his ranking points so he will only face LCW in the final. How does a player maximize ranking points? By winning the title! But telling his mind that he wants to collect ranking points is less pressurizing than saying he wants to win a title. CHN coaches are fantastic psychologists, although not formally trained.
     
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    I agree. LD was in sensational form in 2010 Thomas Cup, even better than Beijing 2008 Olympics. He totally thrashed LCW in front of the MAS home crowd in the semi finals.

    I think LD doesn't like playing many tournaments in a short time. It makes him less fresh. He needs to clear his mind before major tournaments to perform to his best. That's why he has gaps in his game that opponents can exploit when he's not so alert.

    LCW on the other hand plays many tournaments to help himself gain confidence, which he is lacking in.
     
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    No, I see things differently. I am a Chinese, but I think LCW is getting really close to LD. Next game, it will be a toss up again. However, 2012 Olympics I think LD will win. LD just performs better in critical games.
     
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    he celebrated that way not because of the title but the fact that he saved 2 match points........
     
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    For LCW to beat LD he must not make so many errors. He made so many by not taking the shuttle hoping for easy points.

    And more importantly LCW must lead with significant margins, seeing LD also making mistakes, LCW should have capitalised on it and pulled away, but no, LCW follow suits with more errors.

    And when it comes to duece, there is nothing for LD to lose, afterall what title hasn't LinDAn got??So win or loss to LD is no big deal.

    As for LCW, hell of alot of pressure are building up, surely LCW cant play his normal game, and everything to lose so he lost.
     
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    even me, as a LD fan, thought before the final that this could be LCW's year. the way LCW toyed with his opponents from 1st round till semi-final says it all....just imagine the score of 21-5, 21-7 or 21-9 against chen jin or the swift match duration of just 25-30 mins. but more importantly, how LCW showed his maturity with his unbelievable winning shots, impressive stamina, power and speed. every badminton fan was predicting a LCW victory. but LD showed us he is the real "special one" in the final
     
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    No comment..:D Anyway, the finals is a MUST watch game. Luckily u didn't watch it yesterday or else madbad ambulance will be super busy.
     
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    For LD overcame a lot to win this title:

    Injuries/walkovers/shock loss in lead up
    LCW had the easiest qtr and semi ever, credit to him he played well but Cordon was gone by the qtr and the former world champion didn't really compete in semi
    LD had very hard draw-Lin Dan had the latenight semi and played an inspired Gade who played brilliantly, and Sasaki is a dangerous player and fighter, even Lee Hyun was a potential problem
    The hall was definately "slow" this suited LCW more than LD
    His own complacency - even LD fans would admit he has been less than motivated since OG, he toys with opponents, tries to entertain, tries different shots and tactics.
     
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    read this from another thread.

    if he keeps on thrashing lcw, surely the game will become boring and a turn-off. lcw is one of the biggest personalities in world badminton and drawing him to a titanic battle where LD emerges victorious really gave the fans a huge treat.

    that's how the greatest player in badminton history stays motivated.
     
  15. OneToughBirdie

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    If LCW meet LD in OLY12 final, that could be a different ending...but now LYB knows he cannot count on his bodyguards.
     
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    Don't think LD screws around too much but his game has matured with strategy and patience. He doesn't have to smash and rush or players would be better prepared, as LCW demostrated in all his early games (LD in the olympics) LD with his coaches have applied the rule to absorb pressure and then at right times hit back. Notice also the number of set points LD saved that is a good player and at the end of the 3rd set the manner in which the last 3 points were played. Discipline was the key and lower risk!
     
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    That's right pBM.

    LD lamented to the media press that for this world championships, he had already won it before, therefore it's not as important as before. Although the comment is a little egoistical, it is at the same time also point to tactical intelligence. Why i say this is because if he loses, it's because he wasn't too concern about winning. On the other hand, if he wins, it means, although he wasn't placing too much emphasis on the game but yet, he could still win. Fantastic answer.

    All I want to say at the end of the day, after tonnes of comments, both bad and assuring for LCW.

    We generally agree that it was just unlucky day for LCW. It could have gone both ways.

    But do you guys know what is more important?

    Deep down inside, although Lin Dan definitely does not want to tell you, aside that he wants to finish and win the game faster so that he could go shopping and buy gifts for xinfang; is that he knows that the reason he won the game is that he was LUCKY too. He came back from behind. He did not win by a wide margin like he used to against LCW. Lin Dan knows LCW is coming close to being on par with him, if not better in time to come. He knows this. Of course, he won't tell you.

     
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    That is true. Sin Chew Jit Poh reported that when LCW's parent saw the ending, they commented " LD will not have that kind of lucky escape next time."

    LCW dominated the match most of the time in 1st and 3nd game.
     
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    Wah, Pakito & Victory, LCW should hire both of you as his motivators. :D:D
    Better than those politicians sitting in their armchairs giving pressure.
     
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    After seeing some video of LCW suffering from muscles cramps and foot blisters after his 80+ minutes titanic-battle match with LD, I think we have just seen the very best of LCW already and he is unlikely to improve on his current level further during next year Olympic. LCW only way to improve his game is to increase his pain threshold during his daily training, which might not be a good thing for his own health sake in the longer term. LCW's challenge now is to maintain his current form and physical level all the way till the Olympic.
    As for LD, I think he is still not at his optimum physical level yet, he probably still has another 5% room of improvement in himself by next year Olympics. His challenge now is to build up his momentum slowly and to reach that additional 5% potential in his physical state by the Olympic.

    Game plays wise, both players are already at the optimum level that they both can achieve. However, I do feel LD has probably slightly more variety in his games than LCW to post or counter more threats to / from his opponents.

    Both LD and LCW's mental strength are also at their optimum level but LCW will always carry with him his burdens that he is still someway behind LD at 8 -16 in direct one-on-one faceoff and also his failure to beat LD even at his optimum best level. LD mental burden is that he now knows that if he slacks during training or or don't continue to improve his physical level, he will definitely lose to LCW in next year Olympics.

    Luckwise, like they said, Lady Luck will always favour the brave. During last few crucial points during the third game, LD took the risks and they paid off handsomely for him, whereas LCW tried to play it safe but was forced to conceal the initiatives of the game to LD.

    All said, I am looking forward to see another classic match in next year Olympics' men single final between LD & LCW and wish both of them all the best. May the best player win.
     
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