A Mistake 99% Badminton Stores Are Making

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  1. magiadam

    magiadam Regular Member

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    Let's all make the first badminton store that displays "Mass: XXX grams" then ^_^
     
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    Well, it'd be illogical to tell us the actual weight in Newtons. The average person probably wouldn't know the Newtons to pound ratio, as I forget right now, as well. There is much more to discern from mass than weight. I doubt a racket would weigh more than a couple pounds--probably less. It's easier to convert through mass in grams/kilograms than weight in Newtons.
     
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    why do people ask you how much you weigh then? and why is it called a weigh-in on The Biggest Loser? doesn't that relate to weight?

    i think you don't have to be technical about labels. i think people would love to say Weight:80g than Mass:80g.
     
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    weight must have a relativity. the weight here on earth and on moon is different.
    but we're playing badminton on earth (i hope) and everything is measured in kg or lbs... so let's keep that constant and try not to change anything. whatever you learnt in physics should stay in physics.
     
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    it is not wrong.
    if a racket weights 90g, it is 90g force because it is a weight measured by a weight scale, same way if the same racket was weighted on a imperial scale which will read ounces or 3.2 oz or .199 lb. No weight scale sold ever divide the 90g by gravity to give u a mass reading.

    ie thread is pointless
     
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    it is not wrong.
    if a racket weights 90g, it is 90g force because it is a weight measured by a weight scale, same way if the same racket was weighted on a imperial scale which will read ounces or 3.2 oz or .199 lb. No commercial weight scale sold ever divide the 90g by gravity to give u a mass reading.

    ie magiadam thread is pointless
     
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    1) The thread is not pointless, it is a true error all markets are making.

    2) Don't flame people

    3) In the formula F=ma,

    F = Force (Newtons)
    m = Mass (grams)
    a = Accelration (9.81 on Earth).

    Weight, is a FORCE. Thus, it must be expressed in Newtons, and not Grams hence, markets are using the wrong term there buddy!! In order for markets to use Grams, they must express it by "Mass: 90 grams"; and NOT "Weight: 90 grams". Unit for Weight is NOT EQUAL TO Grams. If you were studying Sciences in University or something you'd know before you gave false information and made yourself look bad infront of the whole world.

    Point brought out.
     
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    i am just curious. if a friend asks you how much you weigh, what do you answer? answer me honestly...
     
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    Sorry Kwun, You asked for it.
    Which one? Net weight? Gross Weight? Girly weight? Before Badminton weight? After Badminton weight? My weight in LA? My weight in Vail?

    Everything but Newton...
     
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    I weigh 800N on earth :D (g=9.81N/KG = (9.81Kg M/S^2)kg = 9.81M/S^2)
    And therefore my mass is..

    W=MG
    M=W/G
    =800N/9.81M/S^2
    =(800kg M/S^2)/9.81M/S^2
    = 81.55Kg
    = 815.5N?

    Sorry.. I have a freaking physics test tommorow. :crying:

    They may be wrong, but as long as the whole point is conveyed,( how heavy or light the racquet is ) then "99%" of the people interested in the racquet wouldn't even care about what the units are in.
    Some people around the world wouldn't know the difference between mass and weight, and the unit: Newtons. Wouldn't it be easier just to measure the racquets in grams because most people know about it..
    Measuring the weight and mass in Neutons just makes things complicated because everybody's used to measuring in grams, kilograms, pounds and so on outside the physics class or the exam rooms :D.
     
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    since difference in gravity is too small for common practical application, what object we weighs is expressed in mass, no need to multiply it by g to express it in force. That's why we call the scale weight scale, not mass scale. Without gravity, common man wouldn't able to measure what mass of a racket.
     
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    That's not true, there's such thing as a mass scale o__o
     
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    like weapon of mass scale destruction?:p

    can u show me a mass scale that doesn't rely on gravity 'force' for its measurement?
     
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    i would say my weight in kilograms. or in grams if anyone prefers that. but never in newtons.
     
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    i think that's pretty much it. if someone ask you how much you weigh, and you answer "newton", they will have no clue what you are talking about and even if they do (i do), they won't be able to make any association easily to the unit that they are used to.

    and if she is girl, she probably thinks you are a geek and walks away!
     
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    Any übernerd worth his salt knows that the Newtons can't hold an apple to the Oldtons, which were more heavier due to ultra high magnitude gravity (UHMG). :D
     
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    in summary,
    when u weighting in something, u r already reading it in mass unit, ie kg or lbs. It is a hassle to compare newton because we don't know what other forces are acting on that object.

    same reason why we dont say kelvin for temperature in normal purpose
     
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    unless you are from Mars, of course.

    and of course if you go around telling everybody your weight in Newton, ppl probably think you are from Mars.
     
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    Then the person who responds is ignorant and wrong.
     
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    magiadam... are you trying to change the system? i think ppl in general are fine with the current system of measurement.

    like they say... if it ain't broken, don't fix it!
     
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