Misbun quits as national singles coach

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  1. jimbo

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    Malaysia BOLEH...!!!
    My heart (BOLEH jimbo) hopes for No.2 (win-win for everyone) but my brain (rational?) opts for No.3... boleh tak?
     
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    the writer obviously puts words into misbun's mouth :eek:

    just look at the first sentence :eek:

    i bet this guy does not know anything about badminton,

    not to mention malaysian badminton

    and he sure put bam in a much uncomfortable position.

    there is no such thing as bow or no bow,

    i don't see this as a difficult job for bam president and being a corporate figure,

    i am sure he has gone through more worst than this :D

    really, this writer is the kind of people that put oil when there is fire

    and he is from nst? of course :D reporters reporters … :D

    keep more of this people newspaper sure sells well.lol
     
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    any news of the outcome of BAM "MASSIVE" meetings?
     
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    imagine the same happens in China. some coach says that to LYB.

    LYB will make sure he will never be able to coach anywhere in China for the rest of his life. :D
     
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    This sounds like communist... LOL
     
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    that's why li mao went overseas until today :eek:
     
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    That's why most world country are democracy... not communism!

    I think LYB might has to take a bullet to his head! ;)
     
  8. pBmMalaysia

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    no, you are not right :D

    old problem (before august) still there and came the new ones (august till present)

    whether the new ones can be settled or not or they include the old ones we do not know

    unless bam review to the public after their council meeting, supposed to be today :D
     
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    If every coach only wants to coach talented players China will have no more MS players after LD.
    and every coach would want to start as part of an already winning formula, to be Taufik's coach at 16, and Ithanon Ratchanok's coach at 15.

    It is all contrary to a basic fundamental of what education and training is all about, and i think it commonly occurs in people
    not exposed formally to this principle.A coach is also a manager in many ways, it's not all technical at certain levels.
     
  10. taneepak

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    Maybe the tables are turned now. The old days when coaches were effectively bosses who were given a free hand but did not produce enough depth and breadth and numbers in players of national level are gone. Any changing of the guard is traumatic and always resisted. Is Malaysia going the way of the Chinese and Koreans?
     
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    Just let those ungrateful jokers go, no one is indispensable.
     
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    After reading this, the reporter who wrote this either someone who was paid just to write to fill in the empty spaces provided to him in the newspaper without doing some homework first or has no idea of what he is writing in regards with the Malaysia Badminton history.

    No doubt BAM has also played important role in the development of Malaysia Badminton scenario, but looking by the current achievement, recognition and income, rather than Datuk Misbun and Datuk LCW should be thankfull to BAM, it's BAM should be thankfull to them because it is from all their sacrifice and success that they gone through and achieved for this many years makes BAM existence as a sports body under NSC still relevant and importantly, all Malaysian through out this globe still can be proud that the Malaysia flag "Jalur gemilang" is still able to be flag at any badminton championship podium because Datuk LCW with the guidance of Datuk Misbun makes it possible.

    Regardless what critic Datuk Misbun labelled for his "unprofessional" demands that seems to be selffish by certain quarters, if we look into a more bigger picture into it, he's actually putting his pride in the line of fire just to make sure that the future BAM badminton developments is in the path of success and at the same time still can contribute into developing worldclass players by training only who he thinks has the potential as he confidently beleive in it. This is true since his coaching approach has already been proven by making Datuk LCW a successfull player who we knew now and therefore it is logic for him to make such demands as he thinks that is the right thing to do for the betterment of Malaysia Badminton future.

    If BAM is unable to swallow their own pride and think that the remaining coaches that they have can produce what Datuk Misbun did and more importantly, architiect the correct path for future successfull Malaysia player by ignoring the signifficant input from Datuk Misbun, then the next best thing they need to do is buy a shot gun each and shoot themselves, rethink what they're doing.
     
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    I think most BCers want them to go. But I am beginning to think this is all bluff because frankly I doubt they have the guts and the savvy to be on their own. For a start LCW and MS will have to agree on what percentage of LCW's winnings or sponsorship monies go to his coach. Now when it comes down to this things can turn ugly. The best of friends are oftentimes at each other's throat when things don't work out. MS may walk out on LCW if his demand for 50% is turned down.
    I am sure some of you have been in businesses with partners. If you remember the lawyers who help you and your partners to set up your company will always advise against a partnership and instead it is best to have one boss and one owner.
     
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    that will be no one other than you :D
     
  15. undeadshot

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    Frankly, I don't care if Misbun is an attention-seeker or whatever as long as MAS badminton profits in the end. Blessing in disguise is possible. BAM realises how vulnerable they are without the duo despite Misbun's intentions, whether it is good or bad.
     
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    You didnt mention what you want use as the wager. Satay? Satay Celup? Yee Sang ?;)
     
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    Funny it seems....even the press has pro-Bam and pro-Misbun. Changes is unavoidable as the coaching structure needs to be strengthen in order to produce more world beaters.

    I don't understand though, is Hendrawan(former world champion) not good enough to coach Misbun Ramdan? Why M.Ramdan can have special treatment even if he is not rank no 1 in the backup squad?

    It is undeniable that Misbun is a good coach with great passion for the game. However, there are still weaknesses in his training program that seems to work on LCW alone and not others. Can he generalize the training method to other players as well...? If it works,there will be 10 Chong Weis. The only thing that differentiate CW and others is talent. Same as the comparison of Chong Wei and Lin Dan.

    The coaching committee realize this and want Misbun to improvise the training method. For Misbun,there is only one way: HIS WAY. In terms of coaching,he follows his instinct and he doesn't like people to question his way. This is the way we train 20-30 years ago where the belief "No pain,no gain".... but today,there are more advance scientific way where the players training and conditioning can be monitored. It reduces the risk of injury and train in accordance to the player's weaknesses. All this are services are available at ISN but sadly, no one seems to bother about the important of these knowledge. Coaches need to constantly upgrade themselves and not to left behind. When a coach think that he is the best coach and knows everything in the world,that is when he fails to learn.

    Although BAM coaching committee might have good intention in implementing changes in the coaching structure, it must be in gradually. It is impossible for the senior coaches to change overnight produces result. Hence, it backfired. It is better to start it from the junior/back up squad rather than the elite squad.
     
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    your point is right but if you do not have any idea what is the best % between them

    and only gods knows how much, i suggest don't give the 50%,

    it just lower your post rating :D

    but more important you are shocking and confusing readers :eek:

    unless you know how much average lcw is getting

    in terms of winnings, endorsement fees and others

    then you give your % :D
     
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    BAM has never produced a World No1 lasting two years until the LCW and MS combination, that's for sure.This is no lucky streak and is certainly a result of the splendid player/coach chemistry. BAM happens to be the lucky vehicle carrying them. Maybe they should carry out an experiment. Say bye to LCW/MS and maybe in 5 years,if BAM can produce another WR1 lasting one month, it would be considered a feat.

    The fact is world class coaches should call the shots about training and competition for their charges. If they don't , then the management should do the hands on coaching themselves. What the management should do is understand the coach's proposal in terms of objectives and his plans for delivering them within what time frame and provide the support. A world class coach should have the experience to know what is achievable and deserves to have management's confidence in him.

    (Well, Andy Wood, it seemed,was hired as chief coach by All England and resigned shortly when he realised he's not gonna have the freedom to decide.)

    If MS is not going to have the freedom to decide how he wants to train and send his charges for tournaments, he won't be able to deliver. In which case it makes sense for him to quit. You can't expect a coach to focus if he has management mosquitoes buzzing around him regularly.These guys wanna claim credit for success but his blood for failures, that's how it looks. They actually believe harassment for failures will create success. May work in communist systems but unlikely in MAS.

    By the way, is a BAM Treasurer indispensable? Most certainly not. There will be 10 names waiting to fill that useless slot.
    Is LCW indispensable? Most certainly if MAS wants another shot at an Olympic gold. If that's not a target, then LCW is not indispensable because there will be 5 names ready to play for BAM without winning.

    This has nothing to do with setting precedents, we are not dealing with legal suits.
    This has to do with BAM's objectives. If it wants to just produce players who can play decent badminton, management should call the shots. If it wants world class results,better listen to the world class coaches and provide the necessary support. (One of which should be a better sports psychologist who is effective enough to not have to accompany players to tournaments.)
     
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    All the problems may be simply summarised in post 370.

    It is difficult for an old canine to learn new tricks and to cope with change.
     

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