It's time for Misbun Sidek to work for Malaysian Badminton without BAM

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  1. chris-ccc

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    MAS could be just about to have a World or Olympics Champion soon

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    Agree with you, badMania. :):):)

    IMHO, MAS could be just about to have a World or Olympic Champion soon (I mean LCW doing it with Misbun soon).

    However, it appears that this BAM's new training system is planning to do it later without LCW and Misbun. I cannot see any logical reason to create this plan of action; but to say that BAM felt the shame after Malaysia lost to Japan at the 2010 Thomas Cup.

    To me, MAS will miss having a World or Olympic Champion named Lee Chong Wei, if BAM think that they are the best administrators for Malaysian Badminton.
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    CTC is not interested in producing another LCW or something like that...

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    The CTC members are saying they have a long-term plan. :):):)

    I would ask them; Isn't it illogical to ignore what they have now just because they are thinking of creating a long-term plan?
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    I would interpret and guess it as a plan to re-build a fresh team from juniors.Also an on going plan for LCW on his quest in next 1-2 years, after that , the end.In the meantime both to run concurrently. As someone from NSC suggested LCW plan can continue even if he does it outside the BAM. The 2 plans may run separately and at arm's length.
     
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    Its definitely true for Japan because of the now dying "Lifetime Employment"practice.Unfortunately the local deadwood
    you are implying also happens to be the sponsor of the BAM,the one pulling the money strings besides the government,
     
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    Answering you as courtesy:

    I doubt if Rexy, Tan Kim Her, or KJ has a coaching cert.Perhaps in Hall they dont even have faith in their own system.

    I think Park JB and Lee Jae Bok have certs(and a PHD too).

    I would guess that perhaps the CTC wants to start from a fresh slate, build up a pool of mediocre players first by teaching (talent or not), form a team, then coach the better ones to excel.(perhaps like Japan?)
    When Han Jian was coach he often regretted that he could not make much headway with training senior players as they had old habits and difficult to change,especially in playing techniques, he then went on to train kids. Even years ago there were attempts by some to separate the seniors from juniors because the juniors may learn undesirable things from seniors, inclusive of things outside badminton.The playing techniques of the Japanese/Koreans are definitely ,let's say, different.Indonesia is even willing to bring in Li Mao.
    Those are merely things to think about,the CTC have made a statement but they may have not revealed all their future plans yet and they may be up to sth for all we know.Of course for all we know they may not know what they are doing, so far everything I've said is speculation, time will tell.
    Let's not forget the CTC Director and Performance coach are ex-players.
     
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    The TCC is a ploy to deceive. If the admin people outnumber the coaches, then they can always declare that it s a majority decision when all the coaches were against it.
     
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    Coaches care more for players; Admin members care more for their Association

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    Well said. :):):)

    It is always the same old story:

    Coaches care more for players, while Admin members care more for their Association.
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    Admin members saying that they’ll quit if Misbun gets his way

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    This is why we get to read Admin members saying that they’ll quit if Misbun gets his way;

    Source: http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2011/1/14/sports/7797922&sec=sports

    At least three Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) coaching and training committee members are ready to resign if the national body give in to the demands of coach Misbun Sidek.

    And one of them said; "What is the point of staying on if the system endorsed by the council is not respected? We changed the structure for the betterment of the sport. It is pointless for people like me to stay and try to make a difference for the association if we go back to the old ways.”
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    Quit threat if BAM goes soft

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    And we have other news on this matter; Quit threat if BAM goes soft

    Source: http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/Badminton_QuitthreatifBAMgoessoft/Article/

    Here, we read; "If someone doesn't want to follow decisions of the CTC and our suggestions are ignored all the time, there is no point sitting on the committee."
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    Don’t turn Malaysian Badminton into the joke of the century

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    This article summarises it for us;

    Don’t turn Malaysian badminton into the joke of the century. Don’t make “resignation” a tool to destroy Malaysian badminton.

    "Should the coaching committee members carry out their threat to resign, so be it. Maybe there will be others who can work towards achieving glory in badminton in time to come."

    Source: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/1/15/focus/7801840&sec=focus
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    OK, here's my problem. I keep hearing and reading that the committee say (and I quote from different press sources):

    "system endorsed by the council"
    "We changed the structure for the betterment of the sport."
    "The new structure has been agreed upon by us all"
    "...our intention to come up with the new structure is to move forward and catch up with other countries, especially China."

    Does anyone here know exactly what the "new structure" is???
     
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    No insider has review what's in Misbun 5pages letter & the new BAM programme yet...

    so we can just only ASSUME!!!!!!!!
     
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    all of us have been assuming for more than 2 weeks but some are real good,

    they assumed very close while some are miles away :D
     
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    So, no one even knows what the "new structure" is that the CTC have come up with???
     
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    So what is the outcome of this saga? Who will kowtow? MO 2011 will start in few hours time... who will be sitting on the coach chair for LCW?
     
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    one word sum it all - they are 'strict'

    underperform or not up to that level will be out :eek:

    take the case of lim yu sheng, 19 out because ctc finds that

    he won't make it as per report from coaches:eek:

    i won't argue with that as this is one side of the story

    and they could be right :eek:

    instead i feel sad and has been asking myself, isn't there an appeal panel?

    i truly believe in 2nd chance:)
     
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    misbun will be there :D
     
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    What problem? It's no problem at all.

    It's easy to decide who is more crucial to MAS badminton success, MS or committee members.

    MS is indispensable right now until OG12. After OG12, MS would be dispensable.

    Committee members? All of them are easily replaceable, as dispensable as a dime a dozen but they are so power crazy they thought they are indispensable. (In fact if the TCC were to have their way, BAM report card may be filled with red ink by 2012.Simply because these committee people have no sense of how long it takes to develop competitive stamina in players.)

    Let's hope they keep to their word and resign. And their positions not be filled because they are redundant or, even more dangerous,add to the mess.

    Onward, MS!
     
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    Yes, this is a mystery. Maybe eaglehelang can enlighten us please on the following:
    1) Who were Hendrawan's charges before the 'restructure'?
    2) Who else besides LCW were under MS before the 'restructure"?

    My gut feel (instinct) is Daren created a few upsets when Hendrawan was his coach but eaglehelang please confirm. If that's the case, maybe Daren should continue with Hendrawan. Coach/player chemistry is essential for player performance.
     
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    Maybe this guy will work for other Big powerhouse badminton country in the future.
    Who knows?;)
     

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