30D is good though. maybe next year bonus, you may either get 7D or 50D or wait another year, another new DSLR body. changing to FF format, you need to replace half of your current lenses. ouch...... it is just a tool to take photos, the artistic idea is more important.
It all depends on when you want to buy it. Wait 3 years it may drop to MYR 500. There is a flea market in Hong Kong where you can find some really cheap cameras. There are also many specialist camera shops in Hong Kong that sell older models of dslr for a song. Hong Kong people are always the first to be off the gun for things new at any price. Does the 7D have dedicated top quality L lenses without having to use its bigger brother's?
Hopefully.. but I think its next to impossible as I have other priorities.. I actually want a FF so pretty much 5D line.. But its not like critical so I can wait . The only EF-S I have is the kit lens 18-55 mk2 (before the IS version). I try not to buy EF-S lenses (10-22 tempted me though...) because I like landscape, nature etc.. so I held back on EF-S in case I really convert to FF. Most of time I use 24-70 and if I need reach I got 70-200 and TC1.4.
7D can take all EF and EF-S lens, its APS-C sensor so the same as xxxxD, xxxD, xxD which is 1.6 crop. Only 5D and 1D series cannot take EF-S.
by early next year, the EOS 1D Mark III will be 3 years old, can you help me get one at RM500 as you come to Malaysia next year. of course i want the working 1D Mark III, not those broken sensor or totally not working. at least 70% condition will be fine. thanks. 7D doesnt need dedicated lenses. EF-s lenses are more for kit lens, good for enthusiast or beginner. great L lenses for 7D; 1. EF16-35mm F2.8L II USM 2. EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM 3. EF 14mm f/2.8L II USM 4. EF 24mm f/1.4L USM 5. EF 35mm f/1.4L USM 6. EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM 7. EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM II 8. EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM 9. EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM 10. EF 200mm f/2.8L II USM 11. EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM 12. EF 400mm f/2.8L II USM 13. EF 500mm f4.0L IS USM 14. EF 600mm f/4L IS USM pick few and you will be fine. FX or DX format is good for telephoto. getting at 200mm f/2.8 is equivalent buying a 300mm f/2.8 but the price difference will be RM10,000. saving that amount is easily can get wide angle lenses to counter. one needs to get into or hands-on experience rather than complaining that no good, this no good. professional can make living by having D30 + 300mm f/2.8 for wildlife photography. even D30 + 50mm f/2.8 II(costing RM300), also able to take stars photography at night. buying Leica S2 + Summarit-S 35mm f/2.5, doesnt mean anyone can take some good photographs.
arrhhh! the landscaper and nature lover!! 1. Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 VR or non-VR 2. Tamron 70-2000 f/2.8 (nature doesnt need super fast focusing but still need pin sharp images.) 3. cir-polarizer filter is a MUST for landscaper!!! optional EF 14mm f/2.8(USD3,000?)
I am talking about the 7D, a body with pretensions to a high quality camera and using a magnesium alloy body, but with no dedicated L lenses. All the lenses mentioned above are not sized for the 7D-more a marketing ploy to lure you to use their F/F legacy L lenses. If only they came out with dedicated L lenses for this body, which will also have a welcome bonus of having lenses that are faster and less massive. A dedicated 7D EF-S L 200mm f/2.0 lens will be lighter and smaller than the EF L lens 200mm f/2.8. Why, oh why, do you have to use big brother's L lenses when a dedicated L lens can extend your reach photographically. Instead, one brilliant idea of a high quality body is being let down without another matching brilliant idea of dedicated high quality lenses (for the format) that are not only smaller but would also be faster. Legacy F/F L lenses let in unwanted light into a smaller EOS 7D body. Even the best of care to minimize glare from such unwanted light can do such much. Isn't it better to cure the source of this problem by coming out with dedicated L lenses for this format? Why throw in rubbish and then try to clean it up when a more simple and more effective solution is prevent any such rubbish from being thrown in? Time will tell if a 3-year old 7D body can be had for one tenth its original value. I think it will be easy. But then would you want to buy one, when by then there will be so many goodies coming on stream?
affordable is the answer. why no need dedicated? is to reduce cost. dedicated lense of 7-12mm(if i recall correctly the range, new release) costing at GBP1,000 which is RM6000. the quality for not even Canon's lowest quality of L lense. yes, there are some people will only drive Rolls-Royce and say BMW is a crap car. what happened to Rolls-Royce then? can above average enthusiast spend USD2000 and get leica S2 + dedicated lense? which mean that i can only dream EOS 1D Mark III at RM500.
I think you misunderstand me. What I am saying is that the EOS 7D has no dedicated high quality L class lenses as of today. The EF-S 7-12mm is not listed and even if it is listed is still not a dedicated L lens but a lens of less stellar performance than L lenses. It is like having a Mercedes S320 with an old Austin engine of the 1960s, leaving you with the more expensive ill-fitting S600 engine as an option. It is not horses for courses. Canon should do what they say and that is to come out with L lenses for the 7D format instead of having a half-baked quality product. It is like replacing a jockey with one that is twice as fat and twice as fat.
2 arguements I do not get.. A 200mm/2.8 in FF vs a 200mm/2.0 in APS-C, the latter is almost always heavier. No solid example in the 200mm world but 300mm is quite common FL. The Olympus 300/2.8 weighs in a 3.2kg (4/3 format). Nikon and Canon's FF 300/2.8 weighs in 2.85kg and 2.55kg. 1 stop less, Nikon and Canon's FF 300/4 are 1.44kg and 1.2kg respectively. Very unlikely for Olympus did not "optimise" their 300/2.8 to the 4/3 format. Is there any evidence to suggest otherwise? "Unwanted" light always enters your light box. Most lenses cast an image circle that is at least as big as the sensor size. This happened in the film Leicas, to the 1DS to the phone camera. Further, the size of the image circle varies depending on focusing distance. This hasn't been a problem for ages since the light box is black matt. Why do you think an extra large image circle poses a problem now?
Bad example. The S200, S320 and S600's do differ in the engine and I'm sure you do know that most cars reuses engines even from other brands. So which horse for which course?
Let us say you consider three different Canon camera sizes, the F/F, the APS-C, and the P&S. Designing a lens of the same focal length, the same lens speed, with the same quality in optics and mechanical construction, it is obvious which lens will be larger and heavier. With this it should be possible to increase the APS-C' lens speed by one stop and still keep it smaller and lighter than the same lens on the F/F. Lens size is also dependent on the sensor size. However, if a lens on a F/F is lighter than another lens of the same focal length and speed on an APS-C, then we are not comparing apples with apples. Cheap lens use more plastics and cheap optics that are light, contributing to its light weight. Do you know why Canon's L lenses and almost all Leica lenses are very heavy? The same applies to Olympus' very high quality fast lenses made for their 4/3 cameras. Of course unwanted light reflects bad lens design. No lens designer will design a lens specifically for more than one format. I have experimented with this-using Hasselblad Zeiss lenses on the Leica-and they were easily out-gunned by their little 35mm Leican M lenses. On the Leica M body this was easy to test. You hust mount a frosted pc of plate glass on the film plane, focus at colour test charts on the wall, and then use a 50 x magnifier to examine the frosted glass. No need to take pictures or to depend on the recording medium. It is strictly putting optics to the test, without any other inputs from sensors, films, shutter, camera shake, etc.
yeah.. the 24 with 1.6 quite a few times is not wide enough for landscape well it still can be fix by stitching but giving me hassle.. 70-2000 2.8 wow.. it must be bigger than rocket launcher or even cannon. or do you mean 70-200? i use 70-200 2.8 IS though. yep I do have CPL as well and .3 & .6 cokin gradient. EF 14.. at the moment if I buy one of those.. I will get killed instantly by my other half
ah now I understand what you mean. yes currently there is no dedicated L for crop. there is no EF-S L form. But even that, some of the EF-S has very high IQ and can be compared to the L lens IQ. Take example 10-22 and 17-55 lens. especially the 17-55 IQ can be compared to L lenses. the only missing part is it does not have the same alloy lens body and no weather sealing.
hahahaha thats what I thought too when I replied I'm sure its typo but surely if it exist I would want to try one
Abt Canon trying to outfox Nikon's D300..could be true.. ..don't know if anyone else read this, but i check out this (rumor) news. Now, this sounds more like the "killer" camera!!.. Apparently, yes, prior to the release of this 7D line, Canon realized their 50D line wasn't selling too well, thus they came out with this new 7D line. Also, I don't know if they were talking abt this new Canon 7D or will the new 60D be even better than the 7D?? And if the supposed new 60D model comes out with the same tech as the 1D+5D, i wonder how much will they sell it for?? $2000??.. http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/07/canon-eos-60d7d-aps-h-cr1/ Canon EOS 60D/7D – APS-H? [CR1] July 13th, 2009 Posted in Canon 60D New Info Canon has apparently been humbled by the lack sales with the 50D. The 40D was a fantastic selling camera for Canon. The motivation for the next incarnation is to directly attack the success of Nikon’s D300. A newer contact has said there will be an APS-H based xxD sized body. It will have a version of the EOS-1 AF system, so expect more AF points than the current 50D. It will shoot 6fps. It will have the same build quality of the 5D Mark II. It will have a new 12.1mp sensor. The hope is to retail the camera for $1999 USD initially. CR’s Take At that price point, there is definitely room for another prosumer camera. Perhaps a 50D with video?
value for money. for others that left behind, mid range and high end range lenses are more capable to produce good or excellent images. even 3rd party lenses maker, Sigma does produce lenses to shy Leica away. i did post it in other thread. no doubt leica and carl zeiss also produce great lenses. affordable is the barrier. one may treat leica or carl zeiss is godlike camera and lenses, doesnt mean other will follow. by the way, my hand phone camera also having carl zeiss lens. testing lenses against image produce to the wall is different onto film or digital sensor. as i said above, most lenses are capable to produce excellent image. again, unless one needs to print it to 30' X 40'. the bigger the print, we always can touch up in the computer. again, why need to debate which is better? i tell can confirm and stand on my view. my mother produce 2 lenses and can never be challenge by Leica nor Carl Zeiss. my two eyes with around 45mm f/1.0. no barrel distortion, no pincushion. not even chromatic abbreviation, no coma and no astigmatism. single elements only. old austin engine is like comparing P&S film camera with mercedes S320 which will be nikon F5. current mercedes s350 is like nikon D3x. time has passed. one may say my leica m6.2 can sell USD5000, but where is the market. maybe just one old uncle that appreciate will buy it at USD8000. again, why need spend R&D to produce dedicated lenses for aps-c format? i am a professional photographer. i do mostly in sports such as badminton, F1, football, swimming etc.... i carry EOS 1D III as standard issue. now, i get 7D as back-up body. i will consider myself stupid to get dedicated lenses for 7D and lugging around, whereas the lenses can use with both body. trust me on this, not many enthusiast in here(BC), ever carry 15kgs of photography equipments wondering around for days. i dare to challenge. we are very out of topic. as we do request facts, we request photos and yet only talk in here. we do love to learn from each other on the final images that produced not debating which gear is the BEST in world. share with us, the excellent photographs, let us learn. i can take badminton photography with my Canon digital camera G7 which i can say better than some one using EOS 5D + 200mm f/2.8.
my guess is 7D is out to hammer D300s. as for (if the is any) 60D, i have no idea what will it becomes. just now, i stop at my friend's place and chit-chat about it too. IF, canon comes out 60D, what will it be? committing suicide? we also dont know why canon comes out so many similiar body.
