Taufik's thoughts after his match against LD - Page 14

ctjcad · 11-07-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ye333

I mean, TH lost to LD, LCW, BCL, CJ, so what? If one can conclude from this that TH's points are cheap, then we can apply similar arguments to other players.

For example, if CJ met LD, LCW, PG, PSH more in early rounds, he won't be able to get his 38K points (out of 6) either. If LCW met LD in R32 every time, he won't be able to get his 56K points (out of 8) either. etc. etc.

You didn't write "PG... lower than CJ, BCL", but your argument clearly suggests this. You are saying "Look, TH couldn't beat LCW and the 3 Chinese top guns, so his points are cheap." But the point is, basically LD and LCW beat the hell out of everyone else, and CJ, BCL are just 2 players out of 5 or 6 or 7 similar level ones. Why is TH losing to these 4 particular players such a big deal? Are you saying that, even if TH beats all other players, but as long as he could not pull a win against these 4 guys, his ranking points are meaningless?

- I'm not concluding TH's ranking pts are "cheap" or "meaningless". He deserved whatever ranking pts he has. My point is, if he had played against any of CHN's top 3 MS players or even LCW, in each of the SS tourney he played before the Semifinals Rd, he most likely would not get that 35k. And what am i basing it on? Yes, his recent H2H records against them. I'm sure you would agree with that, right?
- Yes, you could say the same argument would apply to every player. But we are discussing abt TH's ranking pts, aren't we?
- I'm not making it a big deal. Are you? I'm just pointing out another aspect of how TH was able to get his 35k, that who knows, some people might have not realized/taken into acct.

ye333 · 11-07-2009, 12:35 PM

So you are the one holding high standard for TH.

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Originally Posted by ctjcad

- I'm not concluding TH's ranking pts are "cheap" or "meaningless". He deserved whatever ranking pts he has. My point is, if he had played against any of CHN's top 3 MS players or even LCW, in each of the SS tourney he played before the Semifinals Rd, he most likely would not get that 35k. And what am i basing it on? Yes, his recent H2H records against them. I'm sure you would agree with that, right?
- Yes, you could say the same argument would apply to every player. But we are discussing abt TH's ranking pts, aren't we?
- I'm not making it a big deal. Are you? I'm just pointing out another aspect of how TH was able to get his 35k, that who knows, some people might have not realized/taken into acct.

ctjcad · 11-07-2009, 12:53 PM

..isn't this what the discussion is all about??..

If someone else bragged and proudly announced he's won the OG and WC, then shouldn't that person hold a high standard for TH? Segway-ing off that notion, if i don't hold a high standard for TH, what kind of standard do you expect me to hold? A local "Kacang Puteh Brand" championship standard?

Destricto_Ense · 11-07-2009, 01:21 PM

ctjcad - this is a segway :

segue is the word you're looking for :P

ytyang · 11-07-2009, 08:49 PM

You guys have enlightened me and I hear 'HongKong HongKong' is calling.....

cooler · 11-08-2009, 12:47 AM

we can chalk this 09 french open MSF as another classic, just like in 09 OG how LD rips apart lcw, this match showed how LD rips apart TH, flinging him around like a toy.

for TH to say those things about LD in his blog, and TH did done his best in this FO, TH knew he has no hope in hell of being #1 or win big titles because LD standing his way. I wonder if indra and taufik-ist still gonna make their grandiose prediction for taufik.

phaarix · 11-08-2009, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cooler

we can chalk this 09 french open MSF as another classic, just like in 09 OG how LD rips apart lcw, this match showed how LD rips apart TH, flinging him around like a toy.

Don't really agree with that. This match wasn't all that exciting when you compare it to the Olympics. Can hardly call it a classic

. There were a few good moments though.

cooler · 11-08-2009, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by phaarix

Don't really agree with that. This match wasn't all that exciting when you compare it to the Olympics. Can hardly call it a classic

. There were a few good moments though.

it is a classic in my book because:

1. it is rare when TH plays seriously for the whole sets.
2. it is one highly anticipated match to watch by all the fans
3. it is played in neutral ground, no alleged game fixing, no excuses for bad refereeing, bad line judging, biased crowd. (actually, the crowded cheered more for TH)
4. it is rare for LD of not being generous (especially in 1st set)

i want to know the difference of level between LD and TH with both playing without holding back. I got to see that in set 1. score 21-6. This difference of score represent the spread of skills between LD and TH currently.

sorry it isn't a classic for u but we all have to be realistic, it would be a blue moon if we all hope to see LD vs TH as finalists in WC, OG AE.
FO is the best venue we got so far. So take your bitter anti-depressant and suck it up

jaydee · 11-09-2009, 06:13 AM

Imho, Taufik WAS one of the best during his days... but he is just not good enough now and I don't think he's got space/ the ability anymore to reach that so called current 'level'/ standards that we're talking about.

Thats just the fact.. sad but true...

kuwichert · 11-09-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jaydee

Imho, Taufik WAS one of the best during his days... but he is just not good enough now and I don't think he's got space/ the ability anymore to reach that so called current 'level'/ standards that we're talking about.

Thats just the fact.. sad but true...

don't worry, this standard is fixed using two names only, no need to think about

jaydee · 11-09-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kuwichert

don't worry, this standard is fixed using two names only, no need to think about

lol... thats why I don't wanna mention names... later some ppl get emo and all...

limsy · 11-10-2009, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by phaarix

Don't really agree with that. This match wasn't all that exciting when you compare it to the Olympics. Can hardly call it a classic

. There were a few good moments though.

hehe
in 5 years time
his hero might also been included to another classic

or maybe his hero will retired on time

cooler · 11-10-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by limsy

hehe
in 5 years time
his hero might also been included to another classic

or maybe his hero will retired on time

don't worry bout me or my hero, u should worry about your and where is your next hero will emerge

limsy · 11-10-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cooler

don't worry bout me or my hero, u should worry about your and where is your next hero will emerge

hehe
i didnt worry about u
and i didnt have any hero in badminton

i only have fave in badminton
like lee yongdae,wanglin,wangyihan,kenichi tago and more

sac_man · 11-11-2009, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cooler

i find his comments somewhat back tracking and reconciliatory. Remember, this guy had said publicly to the media few years ago that LD is arrogant, and bcl is just a boy.

Also to say to win in badminton is like crapshoot, u win some and u lose some. Well, we all know TH had lost to LD more times than not. He had finally come around to now respecting LD because he got beaten by LD so many times and they weren't because of his bad luck.

I like Taufik's style much better than Lin Dan's, as far as personality both of them are arrogant ( in their own way), Neither of them is my fav player, but respect their talent.

I think some Asians players need to learn some diplomacy from Peter Gade and Kenneth Johanssen.

that is just my opinion ( Please do not flame )

majyun · 11-11-2009, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by limsy

hehe
in 5 years time
his hero might also been included to another classic

or maybe his hero will retired on time

don't have to wait for 5 years. His hero has already featured in many of the classic collections as his hero got ripped apart by Chen Jin in IO 09 21-4 in third set. According to his logic, that shows the vast difference between Chen Jin and his hero skill. Oh lets not forget WC 2005, when he lost like a tame cat to TH (15-3?can't remember) in the finals.

Amin Khalili · 11-11-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cooler

we can chalk this 09 french open MSF as another classic, just like in 09 OG how LD rips apart lcw, this match showed how LD rips apart TH, flinging him around like a toy.

for TH to say those things about LD in his blog, and TH did done his best in this FO, TH knew he has no hope in hell of being #1 or win big titles because LD standing his way. I wonder if indra and taufik-ist still gonna make their grandiose prediction for taufik.

This is what thing that shouldnt be say(I know you are Lin Dan boy and Im Taufik boy, but Im Lin Dan boy too)
Thing that should be have is self confidence, keep trying and never give up. If you think that you will lose then you will.

11-07-2009, 12:53 PM	#224
ctjcad Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: u.s.a. Posts: 14,509	^^You've finally seen the light..^^ ..isn't this what the discussion is all about??.. If someone else bragged and proudly announced he's won the OG and WC, then shouldn't that person hold a high standard for TH? Segway-ing off that notion, if i don't hold a high standard for TH, what kind of standard do you expect me to hold? A local "Kacang Puteh Brand" championship standard?

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cooler Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Used gopher hole Posts: 19,807	we can chalk this 09 french open MSF as another classic, just like in 09 OG how LD rips apart lcw, this match showed how LD rips apart TH, flinging him around like a toy. for TH to say those things about LD in his blog, and TH did done his best in this FO, TH knew he has no hope in hell of being #1 or win big titles because LD standing his way. I wonder if indra and taufik-ist still gonna make their grandiose prediction for taufik.

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jaydee Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: MY Posts: 46	Imho, Taufik WAS one of the best during his days... but he is just not good enough now and I don't think he's got space/ the ability anymore to reach that so called current 'level'/ standards that we're talking about. Thats just the fact.. sad but true...