Ultra High Tension Stringing

Discussion in 'Badminton Stringing Techniques & Tools' started by Pete LSD, Nov 27, 2008.

  1. Danstevens

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    Could've used an another pound or two, are you for real? Saying that, I'd love to see a 42Lbs string job.

    Thanks for the information anyway.
     
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    i will try out the 34x36lbs cab20 tonight. i expect my arm to fall off due to the high tension and from then on, i won't even be able to string any rackets not to say high tension ones.
     
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    actually 40 sounds like a board to me:eek::eek::eek:

    Master Pete never ceases to amaze :D
     
  4. Pete LSD

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    Master kelvin, you have to take into account that tension drops down to about 37 lbs after lockout. :D

     
  5. Pete LSD

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    Ehhh, this Sunday?

     
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    That just might work out! I'll check with the other stringers to see if they're all available. PM you later.
     
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    has *the* new machine arrived yet? how come no photos posted??
     
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    Sunday: If Pete can haul his new one over, I'll try to break a few strings tonight and bring my SE over with body armor. I heard another local got an Eagnas crank. Some serious stringfest could be brewing. We'll take photos.
     
  9. Pete LSD

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    Sorry to pop the party bottle but no machine yet . . .
     
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    What machine are you getting Pete?
     
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    tried it out. actually, not too bad. meaning, i could still hit with it. without arms the strength of FHF, it was quite an effort to exert enough power to propel the shuttle deep. but when the speed was achieved, it was good.

    control is certainly excellent.

    so i guess i will keep the string and not cut it, and play with it whenever i am on a good day. it maybe a good good day racket.
     
  12. DinkAlot

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    I strung my 87.5g Panda Power Ultra at about 38lbs. (37.5/39.0lbs.) ECP with a 10% pre-stretch. It was fun to see the read out go to nearly 43lbs. on the cross strings and comeback to 39.0lbs. :p:eek::D

    The racket shape was very close to the original shape. I was pleased.

    The racket and string held up fine. The sound when I hit the shuttle was very intimidating. When I was clearing people would look because it sounded like a smash. And a smash sounded like fury herself, even though it wasn't very hard nor fast. :p

    The string, Ashaway's new ZM70, a beastly, uber tough string. The racket held up no problem. I cut the string after two uses. It wasn't practical, at least not for this Panda.
     
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    So far I been reading all type of tension strength, ARe you people trying to set a world record or what? I really want to know what is the optimal string tension for Power,control & playability? Have anyone fine tune that pt. or their personal reference setting???--I want opinion from the semi hardcore PRO here who have great technique in hitting to give their optimal string setting.....
     
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    There is no one tension that's perfect. It's very much racket, string and hitter dependent.

    Generally speaking if I'm using a AT900T all strung ECP:

    BG65
    Overall: 31lbs.
    Max Control: 33lbs.
    Max Power: 27lbs.

    MP
    Overall: 29lbs.
    Max Control: 31lbs.
    Max Power: 26lbs.

    BG66
    Overall: 30lbs.
    Max Control: 32lbs.
    Max Power: 26lbs.

    BG80
    Overall: 29lbs.
    Max Control: 30lbs.
    Max Power: 25lbs.

    Pros string at higher tension not for the power, it's for the crisp, explosive feel and control. Every pro can smash, it's all about the split second reaction since the game is getting faster and faster due to physical improvements, the 21-point scoring and equipment getting lighter and lighter and more powerful. This is especially so for doubles and mixed, less so for singles. The singles players that string high do it for control, to keep the shuttle in.
     
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    Thanks. I am playing the California State game 2009 Badminton single on Saturday--so thx for a quick reference. That is great help to know "that high tension will keep the shuttle in"--->>now i know why I always hit OUT.......
     
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    It's not just the string tension, you need to know many other things. For example, assuming you are using your preferred racket at your preferred tension, you need to know many things like:

    1) how much effort it takes to clear baseline to baseline straight away while standing still
    a) while on the run to your right (forehand assuming you are righthanded)
    b) while on the run to your left
    c) while back peddling and arching back
    d) jump attack clear

    2) same as question # 1 but now cross court

    3) & 4) same as questions # 1 & 2 but now 3/4 court on your side to the opponent's baseline.

    These questions go on and on.

    You can only answer these questions by using a known, consistent shuttle with the same racket, same string, same tension and testing yourself time and time again. Once you get a baseline you move on...

    ...if you discover you have a tendency to hit the shuttle out, you keep everything else the same but go 2lbs. higher in tension and see if the shuttle stays in now. If not, keep everything the same go another 2lbs. higher. Vice versa. You need to know how hard to hit the shuttle from every location on the court in order to get it 6" from the baseline. The problem is if you go too high in tension, when you are in trouble, the worst one is hitting a running backhand where the shuttle is behind you and you use 100% of your power to clear, you will not be reach the other baseline. So it's give and take.

    Finally, if you are comfortable with your current baseline percentages but still hit out, you need to learn to control your power by either arcing your shots higher or cutting the shuttle (which I usually don't recommend).
     
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    Ooops, the above post posted before I finished.

    For example, Panda's rough baseline using a 4U, AT900T with BG66 at 30lbs. ECP:

    25% of max effort to clear baseline to baseline.
    60% of max effort running to right from baseline to baseline (forehand)
    75% of max effort running to left from baseline to baseline (backhand)
    75% of max effort back peddling, hitting the shuttle from behind (forehand) baseline to baseline
    100% of max effort hitting shuttle from behind (backhand) baseline to baseline
    60% of max effort for a jump attack clear

    If Panda increases the string tension by 2lbs. to 32lbs., the above numbers increase about 10% meaning, Panda would need 110% effort to do a backhand clear from baseline to baseline if behind the shuttle. So that means Panda would not be able to do it. The max is 100%, you cannot go beyond that.

    So, either Panda doesn't use 32lbs. with BG66 on at AT900T or Panda avoids getting into the position of having to hit a backhand that's behind him from the baseline. :p

    If Panda drops the tension by 2lbs. to 28lbs., the above numbers decrease by say 10%. Great right? No because it's going to be very easy for Panda to hit the shuttle out on all but the hardest shots.

    So it's all about learning about yourself and the give and take, what you are willing to give up in order to gain, etc...

    Finally, of course if you have a master control of your shots and know your distances to effort ratio, then string tension doesn't effect you much. :)
     
  18. Pete LSD

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    Ahhh, nothing like intense training for the younglings to get used to the higher tension . . .
     
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    I'm just going ga-ga all over the place..

    - Wow.
    - Wow.
    - Wow.
    - Wow.
    Wow. I definitely need to see DinkAlot's new racket invention/technology and try them out in person. I believe this is the first time, in a long time, DinkAlot hasn't broken a racket, yet.:cool:
    ..the most important advice of them all. Can't concur more than that.:cool:
    Remember the olden, really good players in the 80s and 90s, who used to play with strings strung in the 20s tension range. I'm sure if given the same tension on a racket, they could still beat most of us amateurs, semi-pros with strings strung above 30s, or even 40s...:p;)
     
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    any update Master Chris?
     

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