The WO is referenced in many posts in various threads as a "reason" for Datuk loosing in many threads if you have missed it.. And if you read this thread you ca read posts like "They were as fresh as freshly-baked breads and their one day rest on Saturday when they were given walkovers by LD and LX", posted b a MAS fan in this thread, indicating the same sort of reasoning..
Getting a one day rest prior meeting your next opponent is definitely a clear advantage over the opponent. What is wrong with that?
Nothing wrong with that at all. But the size of the advantage is HIGLY debatable, for these athletes, given the training load they put in compared to the "beakdown" casued by a 30/minutes or so match-workout. There are alos many examples of player playing 2/3 gruesome qualification matches that won their matches agianst already qualified, rested, players the next day..And players that got WO the round before that are crushed from the opponent in finals etc. There is not only advantages of not playing.. Sometimes an additional game adjusting to conditions, shuttles, light and building confidence may also be factors that may favor the player that gets an extra on/court workout.
i always have the opinion that if professional players cannot train and play 1 match for 5 days in a row might as well pack it all it. for a start, some players doubled up for 2 events thus twice the workload and dont tell me that doubles are easy.
I agree.. From a cardio perspective singles is extremely more demanding.. But from pure muscle, and jumping doubles puts lots of stress on muscles for many succesive powersmashes and explosive jumps etc.
That's one reason you hardly see players winning both MD/XD or WD/XD in one tournament. The workload is too much and competition too strong. In the case of LYD, he is also handicapped by his XD partner .
That s how MAS coaches think and that s how their players, except LCW, can win matches but not titles. To win a title, all things being equal, stamina is a key factor. If stamina is not a factor, why is WYH getting walkovers from teammates, etc. Sure, professionals can play 1 match for 5 days but which one can win the title? Probably the one who s trained to play 2 matches for 5 days, for worst case tournament scenario.Assuming decent skills and tactics. For doubles, I don t remember any who can win both titles. Or even win one title if able to reach SF for both events. This is assuming most strong opponents present at the SS level.
Lame excuses. The point is the one who got one extra day rest have a clear advantage over the opponent. Period! It look so stupid for not recognizing such an obvious fact.
That's not the point!! Whether someone train to play 5 or 10 matches a day he would still be disadvantage physically and mentally because his opponent is well rested and better prepared. Try getting that into your head because it was such a simple fact.
It’s scientifically proven that the importance of continuity in all competitive sports, particularly racket sports such as badminton. For the 5 days badminton tournament with a break within is equivalent to give away 5-10 points per game to your next opponent after the break. Although there is no official statement as why China’s head coach risking to violate the rules laid down by the BWF, as the rules are not allow players to give unfair advantage i.e. a 10 points handicap, the underlined motives are fairly obvious for the badminton world. It’s hard to deny that for most major tournaments China won most if not all the titles, Thomas Cup, Sudirman Cup, World Championship, Asian Games and All England just to name a few . China’s head coach is under constant pressure from other associations/coaches to ease down a bit and let them have a minor part of it. Thus occasionally China withdrawn the whole team from a tournament or individual matches between team mates to create a ‘false’ level playing field for the others. This is also a good training ground for the younger members of the team as well. Knowing that you’re giving away 5-10 points to your opponents and still won by a good margin, particularly to the ‘world No 1’ must do your confident no harm. So, unless the others catch up to the standard set by the best team of the world real soon as the Korean doubles do, China’s head coach will always have to strike the balance between to please the badminton world and to cross swords with BWF for the good of badminton. Just my two pennies.
Kindly send us the link of your findings so we can have a good look at it to see what is missing or misinterpreted. If you don't already know, that one day break in between matches are used to fine tune the player's game play, game plan, study relevant videos and polish-up the tactical game play of the following opponent. Whereas on the other hand, your opponent has to focus on his current opponent first and make sure he win the match, does not injure himself before he worries about the next match-up. So the one who already qualified for the next round were already one step ahead in all aspect. Also he has more recovery time which is so vital during top level tournament, physically and mentally more relax and all added up = better preparation. Its not like using that extra time for sleeping and shopping.
I am surprised there is no thread on Chen Long for China professional players and felt compelled to start one - he certainly deserves our interest and discussion, esp when Lin Dan may be retiring not long after the London Olympics. Chen Long, I believe,is presently the most qualified to take over from Lin Dan in future. As it is,right now,he is world ranked 3 and one of the main contenders for a medal of whatever colour in the upcoming Olympic Games 2012. [TABLE="class: infobox vcard, width: 22em"] [TR] Chen Long[/TR] [TR] Personal information[/TR] [TR] Birth name[TD]谌龙[/TD] [/TR] [TR] Born[TD]January 18, 1989 (age 23) Shashi, Jingzhou, Hubei,China[/TD] [/TR] [TR] Height[TD]1.89 m (6 ft 2 in)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] Weight[TD]79 kg (170 lb; 12.4 st)[/TD] [/TR] [TR] Country[TD] China[/TD] [/TR] [TR] Handedness[TD]Right[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
IMHO, for such world class professional players who are also superb athletes,a day's break for his opponent isn't such a significant disadvantage to himself or vice versa. Lee CW said he trains 6-7 hours everyday except Sunday,a rest day. That's about what all professional players go through in their training. If they cannot take it that their opponent has the "advantage" of a day's rest, they should pack up and go home. I never heard of any player complaining or giving that as one of the excuses for their defeat:"I lost partly because my opponent had a rest day." The opponent having a rest day may not be planned,it could be due to unexpected injury of his opponent,for example. Then what about the qualifiers who often have to play two matches a day before joining R1 the very next day against higher-ranked or stronger opponents? Why did the organizer or BWF allow it to happen if they believe a day's break is a clear advantage to the rester? OTOH,having a day's rest isn't necessarily a good thing,may not do any good,nay,may even do more harm than good in some cases, such as disrupting your momentum or prevents you from settling in fully as in the early rounds. Take Li Xuerui's case in the India SS when her teammate Jiang YJ conceded a walkover due to injury - the following day in the final against Juliane Schenk,she (LXR) appeared unsettled,not sufficiently warmed-up, somewhat "rusty" in G1 which she lost making too many uncharacteristic errors and only managed to get her act together in games 2 and 3. It could be made worse by the fact that in the first 3 rounds before the JYJ walkover,LXR wasn't stretched much. That rest day is a break in continuity that didn't do LXR any good, it might even have a negative effect on her, I speculate. Don't forget,we are talking about world class professional players,not amateurs or part-timers.
Chen Long is not the most creative player out there but his current form is damn solid! I would not be surprised if he will reach the final of the Olympics in London or even grab the gold.
I think Chen Long has potential to achieve what Lin Dan have done if he continue developing his games and stay injury free.
If LD wins this OG, unlikely CL will match his feat. He will be in his 30s? assuming he wins 2016 OG?
