[Stats] The Strongest MD Team Currently!

Thats shocking , are you saying that our thread starter alter the stat in a way thats bias towards the Korean pair . Anyway as I said earlier , stat doesnt mean anything , it is what on the court that counts. We all know that the true standing according to talent not stats that;

the number 1 pair is Fu/Cai then
MK/HS
KKK/ TBH
LYD/JJS
Boe/Mor
AT/NR
Guo/Xu

and the rests are just here to make up the number

 

I would be amazed if you could find any evidence to backup your barbaric statement

 

with their Arc Z , these Ninjas are lethal to anyone

 

Well, hardly barbaric IMHO, as the results speak for themselves:
CHN Open 2006 Final -- 2-0 (21-16, 21-16; I was there watching the match)
HK SS 2007 SF -- 2-0 (21-15, 21-12; see above)
Beijing Olympics 2008 Final -- 2-1 (the INA pair lost the first set easily 11-21, but they rebounded strongly in the second and third-sets 21-11, 21-16 respectively to claim the coveted Beijing Olympic title).

Then, Fu and Cai were split up momentarily and paired with Shen and Xu respectively:
Denmark SS 2008 Final -- 2-0 (21-18, 21-19) against Fu/Shen
French SS 2008 Final -- 2-0 (21-15, 21-12) against Cai/Xu

I am not trying to discredit Fu/Cai's achievements. In fact, I will see them as Kido/Hendra's strongest threat. They managed to win their second AE and World Championships this year. However, if you look at the matches involving these 2 pairs from 2006-2008, it's very clear that Fu/Cai particularly dislike playing against Kido/Hendra

Their body languange showed it, particularly in the HK SS 2007 SF and the last 2-sets of the Beijing Olympics 2008 Final. They simply could not respond to Kido/Hendra's style, which led to their downfall quite easily in those matches. Hendra simply outplayed Cai at the net, while Fu wasn't allowed to reign in freely with his attacks. I believe ye333 will agree with this assessment too.

I will be intrigued to see who will be the winner in a match involving these 2 pairs right now.

 

Statistically, MK/HS is the best pair follow by JJS/LYD, FHF/CY & KKK/TBH. With the total of 34 Super Series played so far since the first tournament in 2007 their results are as follow:

MK/HS 8 titles
JJS/LYD 7 titles
FHF/CY 6 titles, and
KKK/TBH 6 titles.

Within the same period there are 3 majors (2 WC and the 2008 OG), and MK/HS got 2 of them.

Therefore, I consider them as the best MD pair for the last 2-3 years.

With FHF/CY the current world champion, I say JJS/LYD and KKK/TBH are equal third.

 

but koo/tan didn't use their arc z during tournaments

 

No, he said Kido /Hendra can beat Fu/Cai 80% of the time indefinite of the time . In recent time and in future beyond, I cant see Kido/Hendra can beat Fu/cai in finals . They , the chinese pair have improved so much especially Fu defensive play and his speed around the court which also improved greatly.

I agree that they were abit lost in the Olympics final , but now (2009) they have gathered themselve and results shown it

 

No doubt, the CHN pair has improved this year, thanks to Zhang Jun. But, Fu/Cai also lost to Koo/Tan in the Swiss SS and nearly lost to Fairuz/Zakry in the WC09 SF (a pair that Kido/Hendra has no problem beating). It will be interesting to see how the new-look Fu/Cai will fare against Kido/Hendra.

Kido might lose a little bit of sharpness in terms of smashes due to his troublesome knee, but, Hendra is also becoming more all-rounded right now. IMHO, I still don't think that Cai Yun can match him at net-play, esp since Cai is getting older now As for Fu, the INA pair is adept at making him play in uncomfortable positions (such as in front of the net). As long as the CHN pair is prevented from implementing their fast-pace game-plan (which troubles most MD pairs), they can be beaten

 

Yeah, I have to admit that Fu/Cai surprise me this year. I was expecting their form to dip as both of them getting older and making it harder to sustain the full pressure, fast pace style. The result speaks otherwise though.

I disagree with your strongest threat comment though. Kido/Hendra has shown they can handle Fu/Cai in the past so it can be done. The more immediate need is to show that they can handle the KOR pair of LYD/JJS (at the very least, for the sake of sanity in BC)

 

You forgot Denmark SS 2008 Semifinal, where as far as I remember, MK/HS beat Cai/Xu 2:1.

Anyway, if I remember correctly, MK/HS hasn't lost to any Chinese pair after July 2007, be it the Ace pair CY/FHF, the 2nd fiddle GZD/XZB and GZD/XC, the young star ChaiBiao/LiuXiaolong, or the scratch pairs Cai/Xu, Shen/Fu. Let's see how long they can extend this streak.

 

The improvement on Fu's part is offset by CaiYun going downhill. Overall I would not say Cai/Fu as a pair is getting any stronger. Their peak performance should be 2006.

 

Despite this, they won the AE and WC 2009

And yet, the supposedly DOMINATING pair failed to win the WC 2009.

 

Thanks for pointing that out. Yup, I forgot about that bit. Indeed, they have yet to lose to ANY CHN pair since July 2007, whereas, the DOMINATING Jung/Lee lost to CHN pairs 3 times already this year

 

wait wait...isn't that mean the Chinese MD are now dominating LYD/JJS?? Just like the Danes did earlier???

 

Cai/Fu beat HS/AHSAN in SC 2009.

When Cai and Fu were splitted, their respective pair's performance were considered as Cai/Fu's performance. But when MK and HS were splitted, you said their defeat should not be counted in. Why?

 

badMania's theory on certain pairs not being comfortable with playing styles of certain other pairs is not new.

Even the top pairs of the 1980s had preferences over playing against certain playing styles. For example, Chinese coaches Li Yongbo/Tian Bingyi hated meeting top Indonesian opposition, and very much prefer playing Malaysian or Korean opposition. The Malaysian top pairs, in turn, much preferred playing Indonesian or Chinese styles, but not Korean.

 

agree!!! i think it's still the same nowadays

 

Your Method is NOT a method...not objective one...

ENJOY!!

 

only CY is getting older? we're all getting older!!