Team INA in Thomas & UBER 2008

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  1. taufik-ist

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    if luvent find they are treated unfairly for TC, i believe they will be retired from Pelatnas soon and go to other country
     
  2. CLELY

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    Yeah, so surprising line-up! Don't think it's favourable side to dump Luluk/Alvent from the squad. First chance to take part in team competition like Thomas Cup for Joko/Hendra AG, hmm it's a risky decision...

    Several local medias in today's edition (24/4) report that Lutfi Hamid (INA Thomas team Manager) said there're some criterias as consideration to include player into team such as age, performance and head-to-head record against other contestants second men's doubles. Christian Hadinata as INA Thomas-Uber Head Coach also gave standard answer, he said the goal of team composition is Thomas Cup victory and this team is the best team.

    Luluk Hadiyanto delivered comment to media that he was shocked and disappointed by coach and manager decision to exclude Alvent and him. He's questioning about unlogical reason why he can't join the team.

    And for Uber team as predicted earlier, INA Uber team Manager, Susi Susanti announced the team members yesterday :

    WS1,WS2,WS3 -- Maria Kristin, Adrianti Firdasari, Pia Zebadiah
    WS4 (substitute) -- Fransiska Ratnasari

    WD1 -- Vita Marissa/Lilyana Natsir
    WD2 -- Jo Novita/Greysia Polii
    WD3 -- Rani Mundiasti/Endang Nursugianti

    -- taken from various sources, KOMPAS/ANTARA/JawaPos Online.
     
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    For me...INA Thomas cup team without Luluk/Alvent is solid and strong enough to beat their oppenents :

    1. INA has good a chance to take point from 2 MS and 1 MD if they meet the powerfull countries in QF/SF : Korea, Denmark, Malaysia.

    2. In Final Match, INA will take point from 1 MS (Taufik vs Bao Cunlai) and 2 MD: Word Champion can handle Cai/Fu. Joko/Hendra won in their last meeting against Guo/Xie...and if they are Nova/Candra against the 2nd CHN MD...hhmm...60:40 for INA uncles).

    I am INA supporter very happy with this INA skuad. Beside Luluk/Alvent with their unstable performances, we also need regeneration even though Joko/Hendra has lower ranking than that of their senior. I am sure this INA skuad has high probability for the victory in this Thomas Cup edition. :cool:;););)
     
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    Can't say I agree or disagree with the decision, based on the ABC performance for Luluk/Alvent, they have gone down slightly compared to Korea SS.

    Having said that, I can't say having Hendra AG/Joko Riyadi is good either, they have always underachieved.

    Nova/Candra may be used quite significantly in this campaign .......
     
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    Certainly, they have underachieved.....and Hendra AG is already 26 yo by this year.
     
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    Another unfair decision

    Not sure, how many time PBSI choosed Hendra/Joko rather than Luluk/Alvent

    1st Sudirman Cup 2007, Joko was ill, Hendra wasn't played.
    2nd SEA Games 2007, Hendra/Joko lost to Hendra/Hendri of Singapore
    3rd TC 2008

    The individual's performance also can't say that Hendra/Joko are better than Luluk/Alvent,
    Hendra isn't called young player anymore (26 y.o.)
    maybe PBSI considered, they ever beat Xie/Guo of China. They forgot that one match record isn't enough because of the tournament's schedule is very tight this time.
     
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    Well I think Hendra-Joko is fielded as 3rd doubles while 2nd doubles goes to Candra-Nova...well I hope for the best for our Indonesia..
     
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    Compare to Hendra-Joko I'd go with Bona-Ahsan or one of the pratama kids....
     
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    Rian/Yoke would be better than AG/Joko.
     
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    It's the Luluk factor :mad: Sutiyoso has openly declared that he doesn't like Luluk...that's why Luluk was not selected for the Sudirman Cup and SEA Games. Alvent was still selected for both events (Alvent was fielded once with Candra, and was a non-playing member in the SEA Games Team Event).
     
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    In the last 7 months, Luluk/Alvent had beaten 2 of the 3 selected MAS pairs + Lundgaard/Eriksen, Jung/Lee and Paaske/Rasmussen. Scared the wits out of Cai/Fu in Korea. Their only problem was with uncle pairs from MAS and INA.

    Very impressive, INA's selection standards ....... let's hope that the decision does not bite back at Sutiyoso and crumble INA's hopes.
     
  12. huangkwokhau

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    Thats the main reason......:mad: I have keep it quiet...
     
  13. newjazz

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    any idea the reason why Sutiyoso doesn't like Luluk?
     
  14. huangkwokhau

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    YES...but not appropriate to post it here.....
     
  15. huangkwokhau

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    Luluk and Alvernt were still pretty upset and they did not train today..I hope that they train for Olympics...
     
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    u can PM me if you don't mind...
     
  17. Erwin Kyoto

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    me too..waiting your PM..:confused: it is not unacceptable reason:(:(:(
     
  18. apontoh

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    me too please...
     
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    That'll be the most likely scenario.... I failed to see how PBSI can justify fielding Joko/AG against either KKK/TBH or MAS uncles. Then again, how can you justify dropping a top 8 pair....
     
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    I don't know why, but something inside me tell me that we should forget winning TC this year... Am I too pessimistic?

    Indeed LuVent haven't shown good achievements so far. But they've proven that they are capable to beat top pairs, plus the fact that they're permanent pair. By replacing them with this new scratch pair (based only on a tournament), is somehow unacceptable.

    I hope that they won't quit Pelatnas, that's all. Our 2nd tier MDs are not too strong for now...
     

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