Will Lee Chong Wei remain World No.1 until the 2012 OG?

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  1. chris-ccc

    chris-ccc Regular Member

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    It appears that no player can overtake Lee Chong Wei's No.1 ranking

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    Yes, since the China Dragons have currently abandoned their desire to regain the World No.1 position, it appears that no player can overtake Lee Chong Wei's ranking.

    Currently, Lee Chong Wei continues to gain more and more ranking points. He is leaving everybody so far behind.

    This thread hopes to keep a close watch over any player(s) who could come forward to challenge him.
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    chris-ccc Regular Member

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    Why is it that no player is determined to overtake Lee Chong Wei's No.1 position?

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    Agree. :):):) There are some players desiring to win some certain major championships.

    But why is it that no player is determined enough to overtake Lee Chong Wei's No.1 position?
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    hm..are you sure that LCW can maintain no.1 all the way till 2012? I think it is very tough..Chen Long will arise by that time
     
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    oh,i get what u mean,hauge:p
     
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    why should anyone take lcw's no 1 position when i would say a lot of the badminton community knows it doesnt mean he is the best player in the world. LD is clearly the best MS player at the moment. this completely undermines the world no 1 status. To other players, winning olympic gold, and world championships is clearly more prestigious.

    People who have said lcw takes part in tournaments as part of his training due to lack of good sparring partners may have a point. But others who have said that taking part in so many minor tournaments harms his chances in the big tournaments (WC and Olympics) also present a valid argument. I think if LCW really wants to win the big tournaments then he might need to find a balance and sacrafice some ranking points. But shame i dont see him doing it. :rolleyes:
     
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    wants and will is different;)
    u see,
    the x times ae winner
    og winner
    x times tc winner
    x times sc winner
    wc twice(and coming 3rd time wc winner) is in wc 2009;),sc 2009,ae 2010,tc 2010,wc 2010 and more;)
     
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    Will Chen Long be given the opportunity to make it to World No.1?

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    It could be assumed that Chen Long would arise to be a better player than LCW and LD sooner or later. The question is whether he would be given the opportunity to make it to World No.1.

    There have been many threads where we have discussed and debated on who is the best player in the world. This is not one of them.
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    Is there an article showing how LD will only pick certain tournaments to play in, or is this just speculation??
     
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    ok,lets made it clear.
    cl wont be able to reach top ten at the end of 2009,ok?:confused:
    he wont be able to reach top 3 in the middle of 2010,ok?:confused:
    clear?fair?;)
     
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    The World No.1 is not only a great player, but also one who works hard at it

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    Perhaps Badminton needs a private sponsor giving $$$ to the player who carries the World No.1 tag. But then again, China doesn't seem to be interested in prize monies.

    In my book, the World No.1 is not only a great player, but also one who works hard to gain BWF ranking points. Currently, LCW holds these qualities.

    IMHO, if LCW were to miss more tournaments, his performance would suffer. His opportunity to improve comes from participating in more tournaments.

    Because LCW wishes to win the next Olympic Gold medal, we could see him playing as often as he could, unless injuries prevent him from doing so.
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    Here are some past ranking datas of WR #1..

    ..reality is, it is a tough feat to maintain one's WR #1 for 4 yrs, let alone to dominate the entire field for the same period of time...Looking at the list of ranking datas below, LD has been the only MS player to maintain that stature (from 2004 til 2008).
    As long as Chen Long is given the opportunities to compete, which imo they should strongly go for, his ranking will move up quite a bit. How long or fast he'll move up, imo, it depends how many tournaments he's being sent to.
    Who knows, if Chen Long is not "the next one", maybe someone else will come out of nowhere to surprise us.;)

    MS World Ranking, after the 2004 OG (taken abt the same time as now). Look at Chen Jin's ranking at that time and compare it to now.

    http://internationalbadminton.org/histranking.asp?rankno=484&id=1
    http://internationalbadminton.org/histranking.asp?Page=2&id=1&PageNo=GO&rankno=484

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    MS World Ranking after the 2000 OG (taken abt the same time as now). As a matter of fact, LinDan and LCW weren't even ranked in the top 100. Make that, both of them weren't even in competition when this ranking was recorded. Check out Bao Chun Lai's ranking (#347 overall) and compare it to Chen Long's current ranking (if not mistaken, it's in the #100-125).
    But look at what 3+ yrs did for them...

    http://internationalbadminton.org/histranking.asp?rankno=278&id=1
    http://internationalbadminton.org/histranking.asp?Page=14&id=1&PageNo=GO&rankno=278

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    MS World Ranking after the 1996 OG (taken abt the same time as now). Look at Peter Gade's ranking.
    http://internationalbadminton.org/histranking.asp?rankno=68&id=1

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    Is there an article showing how LD will only pick certain tournaments to play in?

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    It's just a speculation, I would think. :p:p:p

    But it is hoped that LD could participate in more tournaments whenever LCW is there. It will generate more interest amongst us at Badminton Central. :):):)
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    Tis the task of..

    ..suetyan or our numero uno, die-hard LinDan's supporter, cooler, to investigate, if there's such an article...:cool:
     
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    Kay cool, cause I still think LD is motivated to play tournaments where it counts, and for a good audience (like at home in China).
     
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    Reading the title "Lee Chong Wei to remain as World No. 1 until the 2012 Olympic Games", I thought the BWF had decided to keep Chong Wei at No. 1 until London :D

    Since it's clear that chris is only speculating, the title is amended to a question :p
     
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    1) LCW taking part due to lack of good sparring partners : "People" say that cos Misbun said that in the press, at least 2X.
    2) Taking part in some minor tournaments (Like India Open) has already been explained, is part of contract obligation to Yonex.

    3) LCW already said he will take part less (wherever possible) in later part of 2009. The Budget from NSC is also less this year

    4) One point that many missed, either Rashid or Misbun mentioned one time that LCW has to go so many tourneys cos if not, the MS dept has nothing to show. Which means they need the results to show the bosses and the back up MS arent rising up yet (same with most countries too).
    But this was end of 2008, now economy down, sure go less tourney.:p

    5) As I already mentioned many times, either WR#1 or WR#2 doesnt make much difference to LCW in terms of incentive from BAM - no 1 & 2 gets same quarterly incentive. That ranking has to be maintained 3 to 4 months, so LCW just have to maintain WR#2 enough already. Unless,of course, Yonex has given LCW different deal. ;)

    6) Of course, the other reason of maintaining WR#1, is the draw, but I dont see it being favourable.

    LD doesnt have to participate so many tourneys cos Team China is signed with Li Ning now, seems they dont sign with Yonex, so not obligated to participate in Yonex sponsored tourneys. And BAM's other main sponsor Proton might have certain requirements too.
    :D
     
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    Players from China are currently ranked lower than they should

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    ctjcad ... Thank you for providing the data.

    The data over the last decade shows why Lee Chong Wei, Lin Dan, Peter Gade and Taufik Hidayat are so special. To be in the top rankings, not only their skill level is necessary, but also their participation rate.

    Players from China are currently ranked lower than they should. It is because of their lower participation rate. Not only in the CHN Mens Singles, but also in the Womens Singles, Womens Doubles and Mixed Doubles.

    IMHO, Chen Long will come into the top rankings when CHN decides to participate in more tournaments (with him included). As Chen Long rises, probably Bao Chun Lai will fade away.
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    chris is only speculating, the title is amended to a question

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    :D:D:D Thank you Oldhand for amending the title.
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    All of those factors..

    ..as already mentioned by others in this thread.
    The point is, there's no guarantee LCW or other current top 10 ranked players will stay where they are til 2012 OG. Too much unknown variables, uncontrollable factors & good players to take into account.

    The only way, reasonably & at the same time unforeseeably to happen, for LCW to stay on top WR #1 til the 2012 OG is if the rest of the world ranked players decide to compete in 1/3 or 1/2 of the yearly SS tourneys and LCW decides to compete in all of the SS tourneys, from now til 2012.

    As for BCL "fading away", i won't be surprised to see that..

    Good to know the thread's titles had been "fairly" amended..:cool:
     
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    As if to support my analysis, CJ just pulled out of BAC to prepare for Sudirman (and treat his chronicle waist injury). :D

    The situation is, all the players that have the ability to challenge LCW can be divided into the following categories

    1. choose to attend only a few SSs (LD)
    2. too old to consistently win titles (PG, TH)
    3. have severe injury problems (BCL, CJ, SDK)

    :cool:

    CL will surely rise up to top 10 if given the chance, but No.1 is still clearly out of his reach.

     

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