Taufik's thoughts after his match against LD

[cooler]

Originally Posted by badadum

Chen Hong is a WC and multiple time AE winners, SSM is....what?? SSM probably has even less accomplishment than JP...yet CH still lost to him.
Yo Yo Hafiz has ceased to be a major factor since god knows when, yet BCL still lost to him.
As stated before, there's no guarantee better player will always win against lesser player 100% of the time. Heck even LD lost several matches against PSH, where he supposedly is the better player.

At the time TH lost to JP, JP was in the top 8 or 10 ranking, nowhere near a green unexperienced player cooler want you to believe.

And if JP is much improved, he won't lost in his own home field against a unranked qualifier.

please helpout this senile person, who is SSM and when did it occur?

we don't call yoyo HH for nothing. He can yo back up as well as yo down, wouldn't he? Didn't HH won a title not too long ago, and he also a finalist as well.

Sorry man, i don't view PSH as a push over.

[Destricto_Ense]

Originally Posted by cooler

i think badadum would know, he's not senile as me

The reason I ask is because we all know that Taufik is playing better now than he did a couple of years ago, so him having lost to lower-ranked players isn't that surprising really. I thought early exits were sort of his trademark back then

Surely Lin Dan has lost in early rounds too, no? Then again, Lin Dan's progression has been quite linear whereas Taufik's has been more up ... down ... and now back up

[volcom]

Originally Posted by cooler

please helpout this senile person, who is SSM and when did it occur?

we don't call yoyo HH for nothing. He can yo back up as well as yo down, wouldn't he? Didn't HH won a title not too long ago, and he also a finalist as well.

Sorry man, i don't view PSH as a push over.

Shon sueng Mo in OG04 XD
he lost to TH in finals.
CH is an appalling big game player to lose to SSm tbh. . I think he played better alter in his career prior to retiring.
He disappointed completely when he was on top of his game, after beating LCW 2-1 before.

[limsy]

Originally Posted by volcom

He disappointed completely when he was on top of his game, after beating LCW 2-1 before.

huh?
lcw in 2004 is just a small character
just start to win mas open 2004 only

[cooler]

Originally Posted by ye333

So what? XXZ was 2003 WC champion, he lost to Hafiz 0:15 in 2005 or 06. That loss does not take a bit away from XXZ's 2003 glory.

Suppose you can stay your age, 60 years later almost surely TH will lose to you.

difference is, XXZ knows when to quit (of playing high level MS tournament)

[cooler]

Originally Posted by Destricto_Ense

The reason I ask is because we all know that Taufik is playing better now than he did a couple of years ago, so him having lost to lower-ranked players isn't that surprising really. I thought early exits were sort of his trademark back then

Surely Lin Dan has lost in early rounds too, no? Then again, Lin Dan's progression has been quite linear whereas Taufik's has been more up ... down ... and now back up

i ask u then why he goes porn himself in public tournaments when he's only playing half heartedly at best? Why keep wasting PBSI resources and likely keep out one new INA player from entering the team? If he is so gifted with talent, shouldn't he should help out his countrymen?

TH is up again because he has to, like i said before, he is a working joe now. No work or no performance, bye bye contract and sponsorship. LD progression isn't motivated by money but rather only to better oneself and bring pride his country. The money part is just the side benefit.

[badadum]

Originally Posted by cooler

i ask u then why he goes porn himself in public tournaments when he's only playing half heartedly at best? Why keep wasting PBSI resources and likely keep out one new INA player from entering the team?

TH is up again because he has to, like i said before, he is a working joe now. No work or no performance, bye bye contract and sponsorship. LD progression isn't motivated by money but rather only to better oneself and bring pride his country. The money part is just the side benefit.

err...TH contract with Yonex as well as his winnings and his family had already make him a rich man. Not as rich as LD, but more than a salaried office worker can expect in their life.

There's tons of things going on behind the scene between TH and PBSI... Taufik already tried to leave PBSI before.

Originally Posted by volcom

Shon sueng Mo in OG04 XD
he lost to TH in finals.
CH is an appalling big game player to lose to SSm tbh. . I think he played better alter in his career prior to retiring.
He disappointed completely when he was on top of his game, after beating LCW 2-1 before.

Which again show the better player doesn't always win the game. Besides as stated before, JP isn't a greenhorn.

[cooler]

Originally Posted by badadum

err...TH contract with Yonex as well as his winnings and his family had already make him a rich man. Not as rich as LD, but more than a salaried office worker can expect in their life.

There's tons of things going on behind the scene between TH and PBSI... Taufik already tried to leave PBSI before.

i know and i've said it before but got deleted because it got so heated.
It was a nice long post of mine too.
i said TH slow to quit because easy money while being in pbsi is hard to give up, plus his father-in-law doesn't have a cushy job ready for him yet. If he has so much potential, whey didn't he quit pbsi earlier? We all know performance degrade with time.

[ye333]

Look, man. You seem to suggest that only LCW, LD, CJ, BCL are "top players", and conclude that since TH did not meet them early, TH's points are "cheap". This is not fair. As I mentioned, LCW and LD are clearly above others, but PG, SDK, PSH, are no lower than CJ or BCL.

Furthermore, why didn't TH meet LD and LCW in R16 or R32? TH avoided such early clashes by consistently beating nobodies in R16/R32, and beat PG, SDK, PSH in R8 and SF.

Originally Posted by ctjcad

- If you read my post #106 and get my point, all i'm trying to point out is that if TH had met LCW, LD, CJ or BCL often, in earlier Rds. (R32 or R16), in those tourneys, most likely he won't finish as high and most likely he won't get that 35k pts.
- Do you, personally, feel PG, Sony, PSH are "lesser" players than both LD & LCW??(in other words, what are the chances of them beating LD & LCW often/consistently?)..if you say "Yes", then that's my answer, too.

[ctjcad]

Originally Posted by ye333

Look, man. You seem to suggest that only LCW, LD, CJ, BCL are "top players", and conclude that since TH did not meet them early, TH's points are "cheap". This is not fair. As I mentioned, LCW and LD are clearly above others, but PG, SDK, PSH, are no lower than CJ or BCL.

Furthermore, why didn't TH meet LD and LCW in R16 or R32? TH avoided such early clashes by consistently beating nobodies in R16/R32, and beat PG, SDK, PSH in R8 and SF.

i don't really want to get into a head to head record discussion...but since you brought it up...

- Why is it not fair? All i'm pointing out is the probable cause if TH had met LD, LCW, BCL & CJ; and no i didn't call them "top players". If simply looking at the latter 4 recent head to head record vs. TH, all those players would most likely take out TH should they meet each other. Check their head to head records. Or should we ask AlanY to do another research on this??
Question: When was the last time TH beat any of CHN's top 3 MS player??..
- If you read my post carefully, i didn't write "PG, SDK, PSH are lower than CJ and BCL". Please re-read carefully.
- Sure TH beat the nobodies in R16/R32 and was also somewhat successful beating PG, SDK, PSH in QF or SF. But since the focus is on TH's 35k pts, when he met LD & LCW (or CJ & BCL), what was his record/the results against them??..That's my whole point.

[Ferrerkiko]

After watching Taufik vs Lin dan at french open you tube, Taufik back hand smash still pack power, it troubles lin dan ...

[george@chongwei]

Originally Posted by Ferrerkiko

After watching Taufik vs Lin dan at french open you tube, Taufik back hand smash still pack power, it troubles lin dan ...

as cooler said, he's a gifted magician

[phaarix]

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

wow chris and pharix really need to relax la..
come on guys

Just because the posts are long doesn't mean we aren't relaxed . Anyway, I'm not interested anymore. There no point repeating the same things over and over! Still, I'll probably keep track of the thread... heheh.

[ye333]

I mean, TH lost to LD, LCW, BCL, CJ, so what? If one can conclude from this that TH's points are cheap, then we can apply similar arguments to other players.

For example, if CJ met LD, LCW, PG, PSH more in early rounds, he won't be able to get his 38K points (out of 6) either. If LCW met LD in R32 every time, he won't be able to get his 56K points (out of 8) either. etc. etc.

You didn't write "PG... lower than CJ, BCL", but your argument clearly suggests this. You are saying "Look, TH couldn't beat LCW and the 3 Chinese top guns, so his points are cheap." But the point is, basically LD and LCW beat the hell out of everyone else, and CJ, BCL are just 2 players out of 5 or 6 or 7 similar level ones. Why is TH losing to these 4 particular players such a big deal? Are you saying that, even if TH beats all other players, but as long as he could not pull a win against these 4 guys, his ranking points are meaningless?

Originally Posted by ctjcad

i don't really want to get into a head to head record discussion...but since you brought it up...

- Why is it not fair? All i'm pointing out is the probable cause if TH had met LD, LCW, BCL & CJ; and no i didn't call them "top players". If simply looking at the latter 4 recent head to head record vs. TH, all those players would most likely take out TH should they meet each other. Check their head to head records. Or should we ask AlanY to do another research on this??
Question: When was the last time TH beat any of CHN's top 3 MS player??..
- If you read my post carefully, i didn't write "PG, SDK, PSH are lower than CJ and BCL". Please re-read carefully.
- Sure TH beat the nobodies in R16/R32 and was also somewhat successful beating PG, SDK, PSH in QF or SF. But since the focus is on TH's 35k pts, when he met LD & LCW (or CJ & BCL), what was his record/the results against them??..That's my whole point.

[chris-ccc]

Originally Posted by phaarix

Just because the posts are long doesn't mean we aren't relaxed . Anyway, I'm not interested anymore. There no point repeating the same things over and over! Still, I'll probably keep track of the thread... heheh.

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This thread should be renamed to: Our thoughts after the 'Taufik vs Lin Dan' match.
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[wilcan]

Originally Posted by ye333

I mean, TH lost to LD, LCW, BCL, CJ, so what? If one can conclude from this that TH's points are cheap, then we can apply similar arguments to other players.

For example, if CJ met LD, LCW, PG, PSH more in early rounds, he won't be able to get his 38K points (out of 6) either. If LCW met LD in R32 every time, he won't be able to get his 56K points (out of 8) either. etc. etc.

You didn't write "PG... lower than CJ, BCL", but your argument clearly suggests this. You are saying "Look, TH couldn't beat LCW and the 3 Chinese top guns, so his points are cheap." But the point is, basically LD and LCW beat the hell out of everyone else, and CJ, BCL are just 2 players out of 5 or 6 or 7 similar level ones. Why is TH losing to these 4 particular players such a big deal? Are you saying that, even if TH beats all other players, but as long as he could not pull a win against these 4 guys, his ranking points are meaningless?

yeahhh love ur respond...if CJ met LD,LCW,TH in the early round,he wont get his WR now..its do the same for others 3

[Amin Khalili]

We can see many change of Taufik right now(inside,not talking about his game) ... And so as Lin Dan, but just Lin Dan work harder ....