[Stats] The Strongest MD Team Currently!

[george@chongwei]

maybe bro ctdyn can do a very good stat for the md category

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=77212

[Pemuda]

In my opinion, the best MD currently are: MK/HS, LYD/JJS & FHF/CY. I consider this 3 pairs as evenly matched.

[Jagdpanther]

Originally Posted by Pemuda

In my opinion, the best MD currently are: MK/HS, LYD/JJS & FHF/CY. I consider this 3 pairs as evenly matched.

You forget your own countrymen.

[danielwong]

Originally Posted by Pemuda

In my opinion, the best MD currently are: MK/HS, LYD/JJS & FHF/CY. I consider this 3 pairs as evenly matched.

agreed....as KKK/TBH lost to this 3 pairs currently
and some Japanese ninjas also

[narnia]

Originally Posted by badadum

Ahh but you forgot, despite what he had stated, narnia shameful agenda is to put LYD/JJS as #1...by any mean possible. The H-2-H from 2008 is the only way he can achieved this (switch that to 2009 only and even the H-2-H will fail him and LYD/JJS).

Here's the overall record for 2009 for the top 4 MD:
CY/FHF: 23-2 (92%)
MK/HS: 29-5 (85.3%)
LYD/JJS: 20-4 (83.3%)
KKK/TBH: 37-9 (80.4%)

As you can see...anyway you want to manipulate it (be it H-2-H, overall record, result in the field/tourney won) LYD/JJS simply are not the team that narnia tried to portray them to be in 2009.
Lets see if the korean chaps will acknowledge that or come up with another diversion.

It makes sense but not a proper measure "to the purpose of this thread".

You should deeply think over, say, why there exist the tournaments like Super Series Masters Final. You can see such kind of Final Games in another sports such as Golf.

As the facts show, MK/HS could win the title (the only exception is Olympic 2008) only when JJS/LYD did not participate in the same tournaments. Actually, they lost to JJS/LYD four times in a row since 2008.

Please stick to the purpose of this thread. If you forget it, please read earlier posts. If you don't like the purpose or measure of this thread, please create another thread you like.

Enjoy~

[habsq]

Originally Posted by narnia

It makes sense but not a proper measure "to the purpose of this thread".

You should deeply think over, say, why there exist the tournaments like Super Series Masters' Final. You can see such kind of Final Games in another sports such as Golf.

Enjoy~

What's the purpose of this thread? To identify the strongest MD? Or to identify an MD with best H2H between the 6 MDs?

You should deeply think over, why there exist other tournament than Super Series Masters' Final...

[narnia]

Originally Posted by habsq

What's the purpose of this thread? To identify the strongest MD? Or to identify an MD with best H2H between the 6 MDs?

You should deeply think over, why there exist other tournament than Super Series Masters' Final...

"The Finals among the Masters" always come at the end of the season. That conveys the idea of this thread. Why do they set up such kind of Final Games?
Think about the Professional Baseball cases, too.

"Just for fun?" Yes, that's an "extra amusement to determine who's the best of the bests." I prepared this set-up with the same spirit. But the difference is we all know what teams are the bests already. They are in the table.

[narnia]

Originally Posted by Pemuda

In my opinion, the best MD currently are: MK/HS, LYD/JJS & FHF/CY. I consider this 3 pairs as evenly matched.

Limiting the Top 3 in the world, for the last 2 years,

LYD/JJS 4:0 MK/HS
MK:HS 1:0 FHF/CY
FHF/CY 2:2 LYD/JJS
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So, actually it's hard to say they are all evenly matched. If we go back to much older history, maybe they are.

Enjoy~

[Pemuda]

Originally Posted by Jagdpanther

You forget your own countrymen.

In terms of playing ability, KKK/TBH are a notch or two below these 3 pairs.

In terms of style n glamour, these 3 pairs are a couple of notches below KKK/TBH.

[ctjcad]

Originally Posted by narnia

Limiting the Top 3 in the world, for the last 2 years,

LYD/JJS 4:0 MK/HS
MK:HS 1:0 FHF/CY
FHF/CY 2:2 LYD/JJS
================

So, actually it's hard to say they are all evenly matched. If we go back to much older history, maybe they are.

Enjoy~

..why not just 1 yr?: this yr or last yr only
..why not the last 3 or 4 or 5 yrs?..
..why not between 2007-2008?..or 2006-2007?..

[badMania]

Originally Posted by ctjcad

..why not just 1 yr?: this yr or last yr only
..why not the last 3 or 4 or 5 yrs?..
..why not between 2007-2008?..or 2006-2007?..

Our dear friend has his own logic as I have mentioned so many times before

One reason was that before 2008, Jung/Lee wasn't as strong as they were in 2008 & 2009 for the reason that it took time for them to gel together. That was why the time frame that our dear friend has specifically chosen happen to be the year they start to get together

[badMania]

Originally Posted by narnia

As the facts show, MK/HS could win the title (the only exception is Olympic 2008) only when JJS/LYD did not participate in the same tournaments. Actually, they lost to JJS/LYD four times in a row since 2008.

Let me repeat this:
who care how many times they lose to a particular pair, if at the end, they could win the World Championships and Beijing Olympics Gold; a feat that Jung/Lee could not achieve unfortunately up to this moment in time.

Remember: Kido/Hendra had an atrocious record against Koo/Tan, going into the Beijing Games (0-5 officially). And they were drawn against their bogey pair in the QF.

We know what happen at the end

Enjoy too ~

[badMania]

Originally Posted by narnia

As the facts show, MK/HS could win the title (the only exception is Olympic 2008) only when JJS/LYD did not participate in the same tournaments. Actually, they lost to JJS/LYD four times in a row since 2008.

Once again dear friend, please check your record book

Kido/Hendra won the following tourneys in 2007 & 2008 when Jung/Lee were also participating:
World Championships 2007 (Jung/Lee lost to the eventual champion in Final)
China SS 2007 (Jung/Lee lost to Guo/Xie in QF)
Hong Kong SS 2007 (Jung/Lee lost to Logosz/Mateusiak in R32)
Malaysia SS 2008 (Jung/Lee lost to Mollyhus/Kristiansen in R16)
Beijing Olympics 2008 (Jung/Lee lost to Paaske/Rasmussen in R32)

Jung/Lee won the following tourneys when Kido/Hendra were also participating:
Korea SS 2007 (Kido/Hendra lost to the eventual champion in QF)
Swiss SS 2008 (ditto)
All England SS 2008 (Kido/Hendra lost to Ohtsuka/Masuda in R32)
Hong Kong SS 2008 (Kido/Hendra lost to Koo/Tan in QF -- Kido's injury flared up)
Malaysia SS 2009 (Kido/Hendra lost to AG/Alvent in SF)
Indonesia SS 2009 (Kido/Hendra lost to the eventual champion in SF)

[badadum]

The thread title is: The Strongest MD Team Currently
Since when currently means all the way back to the beginning of 2008??? Maybe in Korea everything is dated back to 2 years, but not in the real world, my boy.

In fact, narnia have at multiple time acknowledge that 2009/1 year span is an accurate indicator as stated:

Originally Posted by narnia

Sorry, I'm just interest in Most Recent stats; 1 or 1.5 yrs time span would be enough in the fast-changing MD world

Originally Posted by narnia

2009 span would be good and you can check it sufficiently in the table.

Yet, he dances around and avoid using it at all cost. Why is that?

So let's use 2009 shall we? Overall H-2-H among the top 3 in 2009:
FHF/CY 2:1
LYD/JJS: 2-2
MK:HS 0:1

Expand it to H-2-H using narnia current table will yield these records:
FHF/CY: 6-2 (75%)
LYD/JJS: 7-3 (70%)
MK/HS: 2-2 (50%)

Compared that to their overall record in 2009 as well, it's pretty clear who has the best performance currently.
That team is not LYD/JJS, hence why narnia been avoiding to use only 2009 stats.

[eaglehelang]

Ok, now it has transfered from LYD/JJS NO 1 thread to here. The no of titles stats, up to France 2009, not considering Team events :

1) MK/Hendra : 2 SS titles, 1 GP Gold = 3/8 titles = 37.5%, SS only = 2/7 = 28.6%
2) Fu/Cai : 1 SS, 1 WC = 2/5 = 40%, SS only = 1/4 = 25%
3) LYD/JJS : 2 SS = 2/5 = 40%, SS only = 2/4 = 50%
4) KKK/TBH = 2 SS, 2 GP Gold = 4/11 = 36.4%, SS only = 2/8 = 25%
5) Boe/Morgenson = 1 SS = 1/8 = 12.5%, SS only = 1/7 = 14.3 %
6) Guo/Xu Chen = 1 SS, 1 GP = 2/10 = 20%, SS only = 1/8= 12.5%
7) Clark/Robertson = 1 SS, = 1/6 = 16.67%

I only considered pairs that have won SS titles, among the current top 5 ranked pairs, only Boe/Morgenson's % is less than 20.

[staiger]

Originally Posted by badMania

Our dear friend has his own logic as I have mentioned so many times before

One reason was that before 2008, Jung/Lee wasn't as strong as they were in 2008 & 2009 for the reason that it took time for them to gel together. That was why the time frame that our dear friend has specifically chosen happen to be the year they start to get together

Thats shocking , are you saying that our thread starter alter the stat in a way thats bias towards the Korean pair . Anyway as I said earlier , stat doesnt mean anything , it is what on the court that counts. We all know that the true standing according to talent not stats that;

the number 1 pair is Fu/Cai then
MK/HS
KKK/ TBH
LYD/JJS
Boe/Mor
AT/NR
Guo/Xu

and the rests are just here to make up the number

[staiger]

Originally Posted by volcom

In major finals I think MK/HS will beat CY/FHF 80% of the time.
I think they are the bogey team. And INA is just so damn good in MD.

I would be amazed if you could find any evidence to backup your barbaric statement